Chase ratings continue to fall

sloggie said:
Using your link:
2008 ABC viewers for Charlotte: 6.04 million viewers.
2009 ABC viewers for Charlotte:: 5.45 million viewers.
2010 ABC viewers for Charlotte: 5.34 million viewers.

Net loss of viewers is 700,000 between 2008 and 2010 for ABC. That's quite a lot.

Side note: Martinsville ratings down 12% from last year.
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You don't understand the point that I've been making from the beginning of this thread and I'm at a loss as to how to explain it to you in clearer detail. It had absolutely nothing to do about the races from year to year on ABC, only the switch to ESPN. Yes, the ABC races also declined in viewers from year to year. I had stated that as well. It's simply that the switch to ESPN has shown a decrease in ratings of a much higher proportion.
 
Saw this over at http://www.mikemulhern.net/MikesTak...ing-happening-here-what-it-aint-exactly-clear
Here are some numbers of NASCAR viewers (in Millions), not counting rainouts:

(the numbers are 2008, 2009, 2010)

This is the Fox part of the TV schedule
Daytona 17.8m 15.9m 13.3m
California 10.9m 10.2m 9.1m
Las Vegas 12.1m 11.1m 7.2m
Atlanta 10.5m 8.8m 8.5m
Bristol 8.9m 7.4m 7.4m
Martinsville 8.7m 7.4m --
Phoenix 7.2m 6.0m 5.9m
Texas 8.6m 7.4m --
Talladega 9.0m 8.1m 8.5m
Richmond 7.3m 6.6m 6.2m
Darlington 7.8.m 6.7m 6.9m
Dover 6.8m 6.0m 5.8m
[All-Star (Speed) 2.7m 2.7m 2.5m]
Charlotte 7.6m -- 6.5m
Average: 9.4m 8.5m 7.9m

This is the TNT part of the TV schedule:
Pocono 6.1m 5.5m 5.3m
Michigan 5.1m 5.1m 4.3m
Sonoma 6.0m 5.8m 4.8m
New Hampshire 5.5m 5.6m 4.9m
Daytona 6.4m 5.3m 6.1m
Chicago 5.1m 4.8m 4.6m
Average: 5.7m 5.5m 4.8m

This is the ESPN/ABC part of the TV schedule:
Indianapolis 6.7m 6.5m 5.7m
Pocono 6.2m -- 6.3m
Watkins Glen 4.8m -- 4.9m
Michigan 5.3m 5.6m 4.9m
Bristol (Sat/ABC) 5.0m 5.3m 5.8m
Atlanta 5.7m (Cal) 5.8m 5.5m
Richmond (Sat/ABC) -- 5.5m 5.3m
New Hampshire 6.1m(ABC) 5.0m(ABC) 3.7m(ESPN)
Dover 5.3m(ABC) 5.0m(ABC) 3.9m(ESPN)
Kansas City 5.7m (ABC) 5.3m (ABC) 3.7m (ESPN)
California 6.0m (ABC) 5.9m (ABC) 4.1m (ESPN)
Charlotte (Sat/ABC) 6.0m 5.5m 5.3m
Martinsville -- 4.7m (ABC) 3.9m (ESPN)
Average: 5.7m 5.5m 4.8m
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AndyMarquisLive said:
Your numbers here backed up dp's statements. Yes, the ratings are falling. But once the races that were on ABC moved to ESPN on cable, the ratings dropped significantly.

And, yes, NASCAR lost big when they let NBC go.
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I just posted that because I thought it was interesting. I gave up explaining why the ratings drops have nothing to do with the move from over the air TV to cable.
 
sloggie said:
I just posted that because I thought it was interesting. I gave up explaining why the ratings drops have nothing to do with the move from over the air TV to cable.
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I don't know what the cause of the general ratings decline is. Nobody knows for sure.

But the SIGNIFICANT ratings decline for the past 6 races or so are very much because of the move from ABC to ESPN. Pretty simple.

You can't buy Rip It Energy Fuel if nobody carries it. Just like you can't watch ESPN if your cable provider doesn't offer it. I went without cable for about six months, and this was when ESPN was in the business of moving races from ABC to ESPN2 or ESPN1 to ESPN Classic. Couldn't watch them if I didn't have cable.

Oh, and look at your cable bill. $60/month for basic cable, a lot of people are dropping that luxury in tough times.
 
Everybody knew NASCAR was getting ********ed when ESPN moved the races to cable. NASCAR and ESPN just didn't want to face that reality. Now they are.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I don't know what the cause of the general ratings decline is. Nobody knows for sure.

But the SIGNIFICANT ratings decline for the past 6 races or so are very much because of the move from ABC to ESPN. Pretty simple.

You can't buy Rip It Energy Fuel if nobody carries it. Just like you can't watch ESPN if your cable provider doesn't offer it. I went without cable for about six months, and this was when ESPN was in the business of moving races from ABC to ESPN2 or ESPN1 to ESPN Classic. Couldn't watch them if I didn't have cable.

Oh, and look at your cable bill. $60/month for basic cable, a lot of people are dropping that luxury in tough times.
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Your an exception Andy, there are not that many people out there with a TV that don't have ESPN. It may have played a very small part but not significant like you say.

And before you start trying to make them feel stupid by saying "ratings decline for the past 6 races or so are very much because of the move from ABC to ESPN. Pretty simple." try posting some figures that back your argument. I have yet to see one thing that shows the switch to ESPN has anything to do with it and just dates of the switch don't count.

Maybe that many people this year have just had enough of the same old stuff.
 
chromehorn said:
Your an exception Andy, there are not that many people out there with a TV that don't have ESPN. It may have played a very small part but not significant like you say.

And before you start trying to make them feel stupid by saying "ratings decline for the past 6 races or so are very much because of the move from ABC to ESPN. Pretty simple." try posting some figures that back your argument. I have yet to see one thing that shows the switch to ESPN has anything to do with it and just dates of the switch don't count.

Maybe that many people this year have just had enough of the same old stuff.
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Go look at dpkimmel's numbers again.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Go look at dpkimmel's numbers again.
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I saw that but what I'm trying to say is that people finally got fed up with it being boring not that it switched to ESPN. I can name off 10 people I know right now that have recently stopped watching just because they are bored with it and tired of the same guys winning all the time. 8 of them have been have been fans for 15-20+ years. I think it's more coincidence than just switching to ESPN.

Take the New Hampshire race for example, off those numbers, one of the bigger gaps on the list. 2008 6.1m on ABC and 2010 3.7m on ESPN. Your trying to say that 2.4 million people/sports fans with a TV don't have ESPN? But at Charlotte a couple of weeks later, 2008 6m and 2010 5.3m, only .7 million didn't have ESPN? Try again, the numbers aren't telling the story your selling.

Some of the gaps are not anything to talk about like the 6m to 4.1 at California, that one is self explanatory because Cali sucks balls and more people are figuring that one out.
 
chromehorn said:
I saw that but what I'm trying to say is that people finally got fed up with it being boring not that it switched to ESPN. I can name off 10 people I know right now that have recently stopped watching just because they are bored with it and tired of the same guys winning all the time. 8 of them have been have been fans for 15-20+ years. I think it's more coincidence than just switching to ESPN.

Take the New Hampshire race for example, off those numbers, one of the bigger gaps on the list. 2008 6.1m on ABC and 2010 3.7m on ESPN. Your trying to say that 2.4 million people/sports fans with a TV don't have ESPN? But at Charlotte a couple of weeks later, 2008 6m and 2010 5.3m, only .7 million didn't have ESPN? Try again, the numbers aren't telling the story your selling.

Some of the gaps are not anything to talk about like the 6m to 4.1 at California, that one is self explanatory because Cali sucks balls and more people are figuring that one out.
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Also, that other sport that moved from ABC to ESPN is seeing HIGHER ratings than they had on ABC this year.
 
sloggie said:
The numbers are for ESPN only. The local market broadcast count AGAINST ESPN's ratings, not towards them.

In other words, you are making my argument for me :)
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I'm looking it up as we speak. Actually, very few ESPN MNF games have outrated ABC. And the highest rated ESPN MNF broadcast doesn't come close to ABC's highest rated broadcast.

Next?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I'm looking it up as we speak. Actually, very few ESPN MNF games have outrated ABC. And the highest rated ESPN MNF broadcast doesn't come close to ABC's highest rated broadcast.

Next?
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Please post results of where you are seeing this, now you got me curious about it.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I'm looking it up as we speak. Actually, very few ESPN MNF games have outrated ABC. And the highest rated ESPN MNF broadcast doesn't come close to ABC's highest rated broadcast.

Next?
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This is the first year that they have exceeded the old ABC ratings. Here is a link to the article. I didn't (and still don't) think the prior year's ratings were relevant since we are talking about this year's chase ratings. Now, I want to be perfectly clear on this, as I'm not saying that they are beating ABC every week. I'm saying this:

The NFL has not seen the massive drop in ratings when moving from Broadcast to Cable, and has even seen increases in ratings this year.

Side note: Anyone noticed how the NFL regular season has crushed the WORLD SERIES in ratings? I really think that NASCAR would be better served to just race on Saturdays once Football season starts. It's pointless to go against the Juggernaut that is the NFL.
 
sloggie said:
This is the first year that they have exceeded the old ABC ratings. Here is a link to the article. I didn't (and still don't) think the prior year's ratings were relevant since we are talking about this year's chase ratings. Now, I want to be perfectly clear on this, as I'm not saying that they are beating ABC every week. I'm saying this:

The NFL has not seen the massive drop in ratings when moving from Broadcast to Cable, and has even seen increases in ratings this year.

Side note: Anyone noticed how the NFL regular season has crushed the WORLD SERIES in ratings? I really think that NASCAR would be better served to just race on Saturdays once Football season starts. It's pointless to go against the Juggernaut that is the NFL.
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Well the World Series thing is mostly no one cares with the 2 teams playing if it were a Philly New York rematch.
 
Who cares?..........I couldn't give a toss what the ratings are.

I'm watchin and thats all that counts to me
 
Yea I'm guilty of that. I haven't found the races this fall very compelling. I used to watch them all end to end. Now I watch them during NFL commercials.
 
sloggie said:
Yea I'm guilty of that. I haven't found the races this fall very compelling. I used to watch them all end to end. Now I watch them during NFL commercials.
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So I guess the real question is why you post here.........and not the NFL forums if you dislike it ?
 
Clutch said:
So I guess the real question is why you post here.........and not the NFL forums if you dislike it ?
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I'm still a fan. Just not as much as I used to be. Also, I'm leading the NASCAR restrictor plate bingo contest that we have on another forum.

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FEUD OF THE WEEK: NASCAR vs. The NFL

Which do you watch?

From SCENEDAILY

Pigskin vs. sheet metal. Which will you watch?

That’s the question on a lot of people’s minds as NASCAR’s 2010 Sprint Cup season hits its final three-week stretch.

With just 14 points separating points leader Jimmie Johnson and Denny Hamlin, and Kevin Harvick just 38 points behind Johnson, NASCAR has gotten what it wished for when it created the Chase For The Sprint Cup in 2004 and tweaked the format in 2007.

It appears NASCAR will have an exciting and compelling championship race to the finish, just as it did during the inaugural Chase, which Kurt Busch won by eight points over Johnson and 16 over Jeff Gordon.

In 2007, Johnson trailed Gordon by nine points with three races remaining but never in the modern era (since 1971) have three drivers been within 38 points with three races to go.

But the big question: Will anyone other than die-hard NASCAR fans watch?

Can NASCAR’s final three races compete with the NFL, the king of professional sports, in the middle of football season?

Pitting NASCAR vs. the NFL is not really a fair fight. But what is a fair challenge for NASCAR is to stem the tide of declining TV ratings and keep from losing viewers at a time when NFL ratings continue to rise.

No league can match the NFL in TV ratings. Game 4 of baseball’s World Series drew a 10.4 overnight rating Sunday night while the mid-season NFL game between the New Orleans Saints and Pittsburgh Steelers that started 30 minutes later drew an 11.8.

Ratings for Sunday races in the Chase have averaged a 2.4 rating going into Sunday’s race at Talladega, a 25.6 percent drop from last year. The NFL meanwhile is bringing in double-digit ratings for its 1 p.m. telecasts.

While NASCAR can’t compete with the NFL on TV, if it could gain just a few percentage points in the final three races, it would go a long way toward gaining some ground at a time when there appears to be a decline in interest in stock-car racing. If there’s ever a time for NASCAR to nibble at the NFL’s TV dominance, it’s in the next three weeks.

Not only does NASCAR have its closest three-way battle in Cup history, it will race in three top-20 markets to end the season – Dallas/Fort Worth (fifth), Phoenix (12th) and Miami (16th).

The characters in this drama should create interest. It pits Johnson, the four-time defending champion, whom many fans don’t want to see win again, against the driver who nearly 10 years ago had to replace Dale Earnhardt after Earnhardt was killed in the 2001 Daytona 500. Both Johnson and Harvick are California drivers, while Hamlin is from the Richmond, Va., area. The brash, upstart Hamlin adds some youth and spark to the mix.

Both Harvick and Hamlin are more outspoken and controversial than Johnson, and both have had their share of run-ins with other drivers, including teammates, this year.

The trio of drivers represent three of the most notable franchises in the sport – Hendrick Motorsports, Richard Childress Racing and Joe Gibbs Racing.

All three organizations have won Cup championships, although the last RCR title came in 1994, making Childress and Harvick sentimental favorites.

Shouldn’t that drama be enough to interest sports fans? Or will they keep watching the NFL on Sunday, with only casual interest in NASCAR?
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i'll be watching the race and switching to the nfl on commercial breaks. if the nfl game is more compelling than the race then it could take a while longer before switching back to the race.
 
I'm in the middle of a great NSF/NASCAR schedule. My Pittsburgh Steelers are in the middle of a 3 week in a row night game schedule. I've never seen that before, at least as far as I can remember. It's working our perfect for me to get in both the race and the game live. My only conflict is Homestead.

When I am forced to make the decision the Steelers game comes first while the NASCAR race is DVR'd to watch later. I never have to worry about getting NASCAR updates during my NFL match-up but I can't watch the race without getting NFL scores scrolling across the screen.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I'm in the middle of a great NSF/NASCAR schedule. My Pittsburgh Steelers are in the middle of a 3 week in a row night game schedule. I've never seen that before, at least as far as I can remember. It's working our perfect for me to get in both the race and the game live. My only conflict is Homestead.

When I am forced to make the decision the Steelers game comes first while the NASCAR race is DVR'd to watch later. I never have to worry about getting NASCAR updates during my NFL match-up but I can't watch the race without getting NFL scores scrolling across the screen.
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Just use duck tape (or duct tape if you must) and cover up the scroll. :D
 
I watch Red Zone and flip back to the race, then when the Pats are on it is very little racing and mostly football.
 
Am I the only one rooting for an NFL lockout next year? That would probably help:beerbang:
 
Great news! ESPN got it's highest ratings to date on the 2010 Chase races. Bad news is it's still a 20% plus drop over last years ABC televised Talladega race.

From SceneDaily.....

The Sprint Cup race Sunday from Talladega Superspeedway earned the highest rating of the 2010 Chase For The Sprint Cup events televised on ESPN so far this year as it drew a 3.1.

The rating was 24 percent lower than a year ago, when the race was shown on ABC, but still was much better than any of the other five races on ESPN, which had its highest rating of 2.5 for the race from Auto Club Speedway in California.

The only Chase race this year to do better than Talladega was Charlotte, which earned a 3.2 on ABC.

ESPN’s coverage from Talladega averaged 5.2 million viewers. When taking into consideration just households that get ESPN, the rating was 3.6.
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