Chase ratings continue to fall

Not much left to say about this topic. I don't really see anything changing as long as Brian France is in charge. He cares more about the money than the racing.
 
sloggie said:
Not much left to say about this topic. I don't really see anything changing as long as Brian France is in charge. He cares more about the money than the racing.
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Well I sure do hope that is true..cause without the money ..there won't be any racing. Go Brian.
 
Tight Chase didn't help Phoenix ratings for ESPN. Neither did 3 p.m. Eastern start. Down 24 percent from 3.3 to 2.5.

I would have thought that all of the controversy @ Texas may have helped increase the rating somewhat or at the very least slowed down the free-fall that ESPN has been experiencing. Guess not. Apparently the head to head start times against the NFL aren't necessarily the problem either.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Tight Chase didn't help Phoenix ratings for ESPN. Neither did 3 p.m. Eastern start. Down 24 percent from 3.3 to 2.5.

I would have thought that all of the controversy @ Texas may have helped increase the rating somewhat or at the very least slowed down the free-fall that ESPN has been experiencing. Guess not. Apparently the head to head start times against the NFL aren't necessarily the problem either.
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After hearing that the 48 team once again got to change illegal parts without penalty made me want to watch football more.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Tight Chase didn't help Phoenix ratings for ESPN. Neither did 3 p.m. Eastern start. Down 24 percent from 3.3 to 2.5.

I would have thought that all of the controversy @ Texas may have helped increase the rating somewhat or at the very least slowed down the free-fall that ESPN has been experiencing. Guess not. Apparently the head to head start times against the NFL aren't necessarily the problem either.
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ESPN2 scored a 2.9 back in 2008 when ABC moved the race because it went so long.
 
I have seen my last race of the season as I will be leaving Homestead when the race starts and start heading back to the shop.

Guess I will have to listen on the radio and be happy with that. As long as there is a station around that carries it. I don't have Sirius radio in this truck.

Might even be more exciting on the radio. lol
 
JustMe said:
Controversy doesn't make good racing though. I'd rather see good racing instead of controversy.:)
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This is a really good point that people miss, but I don't think you went far enough. Fans need to feel some attachment to the racing. IMO, they need to see the cars and be able to say "my car looks like that" and the drivers need to stop being robots.
 
Guido said:
I have seen my last race of the season as I will be leaving Homestead when the race starts and start heading back to the shop.

Guess I will have to listen on the radio and be happy with that. As long as there is a station around that carries it. I don't have Sirius radio in this truck.

Might even be more exciting on the radio. lol
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Who do you work for?
 
What you have is a combination of crappy production by ESPN that's turning off fans combined with three drivers that aren't high up in the popularity department. I would think Johnson is no better than 5th, if that high. Harvick is probably just inside the top 10 and Hamlin probably isn't inside the top 10. If Junior, Gordon, Stewart, or Kyle Busch were in contention, I think you'd see better numbers. Probably not better by a whole lot, but still somewhat better.
 
sloggie said:
This is a really good point that people miss, but I don't think you went far enough. Fans need to feel some attachment to the racing. IMO, they need to see the cars and be able to say "my car looks like that" and the drivers need to stop being robots.
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How much more we going to hash this out? We've said that the Cars have no Identity. People obviously can't see their every day driver, riding around the track. Back in the 80s there were the T-Birds, The Monte Carlos, The Buicks, and the Pontiacs. All of which you could distinclty tell the difference on and off the track. Today most cars look the same, whether they are a Nascar "stock car" or a showroom car you drive off the lot. This the problem...a Camry looks like Fusion...a Fusion looks like an Impala...and so forth. In Nationwide at least the Challenger looks "distinctive", it is different than Mustang, which looks different than the Camry. Nascar has to go this route again or the "bland" cars will end up being the end of the sport.
 
I'm going to again point out that brand identity doesn't mean squat to me I like these cars.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Today most cars look the same, whether they are a Nascar "stock car" or a showroom car you drive off the lot. This the problem...a Camry looks like Fusion...a Fusion looks like an Impala...and so forth. In Nationwide at least the Challenger looks "distinctive", it is different than Mustang, which looks different than the Camry. Nascar has to go this route again or the "bland" cars will end up being the end of the sport.
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You hit it on the head about current street cars. At least when it comes to family sedans, they all seem kind of generic. But you could just about say the same for most generations of grocery getters. For instance in the 70s, the Mopar F-bodies like the Aspen/Volaire looked an awful lot like GM A-bodies. But you also hit on the solution. You can always tell a Mustang from a Camaro or Challenger. Cup lite has the right idea in racing cars made for performance, but it's still just NASCAR's own generic design. Take those cars, and let the teams build them based on a manufacturer template, and put Ford Racing parts in the fords, Mopar in the Dodges, etc. I think John Galt has proposed this before. It would be brand identity at it's best.
 
kkfan91 said:
I'm going to again point out that brand identity doesn't mean squat to me I like these cars.
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Maybe so, but it seems like the majority of the fans disagree with you.

Jameswnh said:
You hit it on the head about current street cars. At least when it comes to family sedans, they all seem kind of generic. But you could just about say the same for most generations of grocery getters. For instance in the 70s, the Mopar F-bodies like the Aspen/Volaire looked an awful lot like GM A-bodies. But you also hit on the solution. You can always tell a Mustang from a Camaro or Challenger. Cup lite has the right idea in racing cars made for performance, but it's still just NASCAR's own generic design. Take those cars, and let the teams build them based on a manufacturer template, and put Ford Racing parts in the fords, Mopar in the Dodges, etc. I think John Galt has proposed this before. It would be brand identity at it's best.
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I agree 100%, Spec Racing has got to go.
 
kkfan91 said:
I'm going to again point out that brand identity doesn't mean squat to me I like these cars.
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While I'm in the minority I agree with you. I've never been concerned as to if a car that I see on the track is the same shape/size as what I see going down the street. There's been very little 'brand identity' for a long, long time. Same goes for the Nationwide Series yet their ratings continue to rise. Why's that? The Camping World Truck Series ratings also continue to rise. Why's that?

Most of what I hear from friends/family that used to watch NASCAR or have soured on it somewhat blame the Chase format and Jimmie Johnson's dominance of it on their waning interest in the sport. I guess we all look at this subject differently.

Side note..... ESPN/Network broadcast related..... This college bowl season will see the Fiesta, Sugar and Orange Bowls as well as the BCS title games all move from broadcast FOX to ESPN in January. I think it will be interesting to see how the ratings are affected there as well. Time will tell.
 
Jameswnh said:
You hit it on the head about current street cars. At least when it comes to family sedans, they all seem kind of generic. But you could just about say the same for most generations of grocery getters. For instance in the 70s, the Mopar F-bodies like the Aspen/Volaire looked an awful lot like GM A-bodies. But you also hit on the solution. You can always tell a Mustang from a Camaro or Challenger. Cup lite has the right idea in racing cars made for performance, but it's still just NASCAR's own generic design. Take those cars, and let the teams build them based on a manufacturer template, and put Ford Racing parts in the fords, Mopar in the Dodges, etc. I think John Galt has proposed this before. It would be brand identity at it's best.
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Totally agree!:beerbang:
 
Ratings on ESPN up slightly from last year on ABC.

Sunday's season-ending Ford 400 drew a 3.3 overnight rating on ESPN, up 3% from the same race last year (3.2, ABC), but down 8% from 2008 (3.6, ABC).

The 3.3 overnight is the highest of the 2010 Chase For The Cup on any network.

Despite the increase, the 3.3 overnight is the second-lowest for the Ford 400 since 2000. In the first year of the Chase, the race drew a comparably massive 5.6 overnight on NBC.

Since the Chase For The Cup began in 2004, final ratings for the Ford 400 have risen between 9% and 23% from the overnight -- putting Sunday's race on pace to finish in the 3.6-4.1 range
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Thought folks would be interested in this: (via Daly Planet)

http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2010/12/study-on-cord-cutting/

Key spots:

The study found that just 0.28 percent of homes in the Nielsen sample dropped multichannel service but kept their broadband Internet connections.The study also showed that the number of multichannel homes adding a broadband connection was nearly five times as large as the "cord cutter" group.
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Also, ESPN and ESPN2 are in over 100 million households, which makes them equal with over the air broadcast TV.
 
sloggie said:
Thought folks would be interested in this: (via Daly Planet)

Also, ESPN and ESPN2 are in over 100 million households, which makes them equal with over the air broadcast TV.
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The article actually says..... ESPN and ESPN2 are now over the 100 million home mark in the US. This means the penetration of these networks is almost equal to over-the-air TV distributed by local stations.

The simply fact remains. The Chase ratings continued to fall for 2010 -vs- previous seasons. This year they fell at a much higher percentage then ever with their move to ESPN with the possible exception of the final race @ Homestead. It appears that they'll try to rectify it by changing the Chase once again. Time will tell.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
The article actually says..... ESPN and ESPN2 are now over the 100 million home mark in the US. This means the penetration of these networks is almost equal to over-the-air TV distributed by local stations.

The simply fact remains. The Chase ratings continued to fall for 2010 -vs- previous seasons. This year they fell at a much higher percentage then ever with their move to ESPN with the possible exception of the final race @ Homestead. It appears that they'll try to rectify it by changing the Chase once again. Time will tell.
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I've read elsewhere that the difference is under 5%. I'll take a look when I get home to see if I can find where I read that.
 
The good news is that this year it will be the same networks as last year so the only variable from this year to last year will be fan interest.
 
sloggie said:
The good news is that this year it will be the same networks as last year so the only variable from this year to last year will be fan interest.
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Well there will be the other one ....the change in the Chase format or is that not going to happen now?
 
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