Coke 600 Will Feature 4 Segments

dpkimmel2001 said:
3..... 4..... whatever..... The race is 600 miles long and I'll be consuming alcohol in larger than normal quantity's. I can use the extra bathroom break. Not a big deal IMO.
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Same thing I was thinking lol , I love it!!
 
AdoubleU24 said:
Lee Spencer just said on Tradin' Paint that she's been telling NASCAR they need to run 4 stages in every race and has been asking them if that's something that is on the table.

How does everyone feel about that?
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I don't want more segments, they need to have a long segment where teams have to adjust their strategy to the race (4 for the 600 is OK with me). Four segments in every race would make it into a pit stop race.
 
ReturnTrip said:
I think the past two races have been 4 or 5 hours each. We might have a proper '6 hours of Charlotte' endurance race.
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Talladega Geico 500 race length 03 Hrs, 29 Mins, 16 Secs
Kansas Go Bowling 400 race length 3 Hrs, 24 Mins, 16 Secs
 
Simple Fan said:
I aslo understand the sentiment that NASCAR was fine before the changes but times change and NASCAR had to get with the times.
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The problem is, nascar didnt "get with the times". They are sinking faster than the RMS Lusitania ever since 04.

I can promise you that if NASCAR did these 3 things they would see an immediate positive change:

1. Bring broadcasts back to standard local channel TV
2. Eliminate the chase/playoff format & revert back to a points system that rewards consistency
3. Return to the short tracks & scaleback the aeropush track dates
 
the short tracks that they have aren't overflowing with love
over the air tv would help but again the numbers aren't showing a huge benefit
I don't think it would matter much playoffs or not. I don't think they will miraculously gain fans if it was gone but the hard core fans that they already have would be pleased.
 
AdoubleU24 said:
What a joke. LOL "make a few more momemts."
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Of course it's a joke, and of course it was inevitable. How did anyone not realize that there would soon be more stages added, and that stages will morph over time with more desperate enhancements? We know that NASCAR has no faith in natural green flag racing, and they have codified the idea that the only method to produce 'exciting' racing is more cautions and restarts. If three is good, why isn't six better?

Everything they do is incremental. There is an ever-shrinking but loyal group of core fans that quickly accepts every absurd change. How long before they are inverting a number cars after each stage for more moments?
 
ReturnTrip said:
The segment breaks are like 10 minutes long. That's 40+ minutes of cars coasting around the track, plus another 40 minutes of debris cautions. NASCAR keeps encroaching upon any purity they once had. It's putting me to sleep.
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Put me to sleep 5 years ago with all the BS, Nascar doesn't have a clue how to keep fans or add new ones.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I can promise you that if NASCAR did these 3 things they would see an immediate positive change:

1. Bring broadcasts back to standard local channel TV
2. Eliminate the chase/playoff format & revert back to a points system that rewards consistency
3. Return to the short tracks & scaleback the aeropush track dates
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I agree with number 1 and think thats one of the contributors to rating declining but it will never happen. I stop agreeing there though as haveing a playoff is a necessity at this point, plus it rewards winning and thats what racing is about. Honestly I'm not the biggest short track fan and I feel like if NASCAR did go to a schedule with majority short tracks it would hurt them more than help. NASCAR needs new tracks in big cities not rural America. Might need a time machine if you ever want to see that NASCAR.
 
I'm waiting for "In order to give our fans non stop action, we are going to show the whole race in it's entirety in the upper right corner of the screen so you won't miss a second of the action". We have responded to fans complaining about too many commercials and have received overwhelming responses to the change.
 
Looks like the key to gettin' the most outta the show is to drink enough beer not to give a crap......
 
Simple Fan said:
I agree with number 1 and think thats one of the contributors to rating declining but it will never happen. I stop agreeing there though as haveing a playoff is a necessity at this point, plus it rewards winning and thats what racing is about. Honestly I'm not the biggest short track fan and I feel like if NASCAR did go to a schedule with majority short tracks it would hurt them more than help. NASCAR needs new tracks in big cities not rural America. Might need a time machine if you ever want to see that NASCAR.
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In my prefered NASCAR, ratings & attendence were at all time highs. In your prefered NASCAR, ratings & attendance are dropping like a rock.

Dont fix what aint broke.
 
R Clarence said:
Every time they're (there for our special friends) stopped there is a restart. Drivers must get their rides back up to speed and everyone's close. More of the potential for way cool wrecks similar to those in plate races.
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eliminate at least one car after each segment
 
But if it were The Junior and/or The Daniker eliminated the stands would empty.
 
AdoubleU24 said:
Who knows, I'm really not a fan of hers from the times I've listened to her.

I guess she likes the idea of 4 segments with the same, or close to, number of laps. To me it waters down every aspect of the sport. Green flag stops, fuel mileage, comers and goers, and so on. It would all be negatively affected.
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Fuel mileage races suck
 
Musrat#2 said:
Fuel mileage races suck
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Until NASCAR decided that they weren't strictly in the racing business, fuel mileage has always been a key part of top tier auto racing. You're like a baseball fan who thinks that pitching duels suck and wants a minimum number of runs per game to be instituted to eliminate them.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
In my prefered NASCAR, ratings & attendence were at all time highs. In your prefered NASCAR, ratings & attendance are dropping like a rock.

Dont fix what aint broke.
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Which is a sign that times have changed. People just are not as interested in motorsports like they were and the passion for racing isn't getting passed down to rhe next generation like it once did. Do you honestly think if NASCAR wouldn't have made any changes they'd still have as big a following as before?
 
Simple Fan said:
Which is a sign that times have changed. People just are not as interested in motorsports like they were and the passion for racing isn't getting passed down to rhe next generation like it once did. Do you honestly think if NASCAR wouldn't have made any changes they'd still have as big a following as before?
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Not as big no.

Larger than it is now? Without a doubt.
 
Simple Fan said:
Which is a sign that times have changed. People just are not as interested in motorsports like they were and the passion for racing isn't getting passed down to rhe next generation like it once did. Do you honestly think if NASCAR wouldn't have made any changes they'd still have as big a following as before?
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I personally do not. However, I believe they have hastened their own demise by cluelessly chasing a fictional audience that doesn't exist. The leadership is horrendous and has no vision.
 
Another stage added, NOT. You could jump in your car, pick up a pizza in the amount of time a "stage" caution takes and still not miss anything... STAGE cautions are BORING and way tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy WaYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY tooooooooooooooooooooooo. long. If their going to continue with this crap, dont count the caution laps.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Not as big no.

Larger than it is now? Without a doubt.
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gnomesayin said:
I personally do not. However, I believe they have hastened their own demise by cluelessly chasing a fictional audience that doesn't exist. The leadership is horrendous and has no vision.
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Fair enough, these things we'll never know but I see no harm in speculating. I think its a mixture of things not all related to NASCAR when it comes to ratings and attendance declining. At the end of the day NASCAR is still making money and putting on races so until that changes I think they'll be alright.
 
Yogisd1 said:
I think we have seen that nothing is off the table, with Brian France.
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NASCAR has done a piss poor job of fixing the schedule. I am continuously amused at how little this changes year after year. SMI and ISC have the schedule by the balls and in turn I feel like it's ruined the on track attendance.
 
NASCAR should probably just script the races already to give JR the Cup Championship this year.

Control the race, issue fake penalties on pit road, have designated cars take out competitors, put advertising on the bottom of all the cars for spectacular wrecks, make it a soap opera of used-up drivers like Kenseth looking for that last great season, or the up-and-coming Dreamer Suarez, or the brash Kyle Busch with the track-aggressive wife, or the big-hat-no-cattle small guy with the showgirl wife and Yosemite Sam attitude, danica dating ricky, hamlin at his therapist, Monster Energy Girls bouncing around like Baywatch, all the young guns running around time after dark "making it rain" at the clubs, kenny wallace can just be himself, Michael Waltrip fighting with Jeff Gordon for the bigger hotel suite on the road, wrecks, weddings, divorces, bring Jimmie Spencer and his "crying towel" back, and of course more fights...

Give all you "fans" inorganic racing -- but make it such a drama filled spectacle that you don't care.

Come on NASCAR -- jump the shark!

With all these characters -- this would be a writer's dream!

(sadly, I would still watch it)
 
Stacy said:
NASCAR should probably just script the races already to give JR the Cup Championship this year.

Control the race, issue fake penalties on pit road, have designated cars take out competitors, put advertising on the bottom of all the cars for spectacular wrecks, make it a soap opera of used-up drivers like Kenseth looking for that last great season, or the up-and-coming Dreamer Suarez, or the brash Kyle Busch with the track-aggressive wife, or the big-hat-no-cattle small guy with the showgirl wife and Yosemite Sam attitude, danica dating ricky, hamlin at his therapist, Monster Energy Girls bouncing around like Baywatch, all the young guns running around time after dark "making it rain" at the clubs, kenny wallace can just be himself, Michael Waltrip fighting with Jeff Gordon for the bigger hotel suite on the road, wrecks, weddings, divorces, bring Jimmie Spencer and his "crying towel" back, and of course more fights...

Give all you "fans" inorganic racing -- but make it such a drama filled spectacle that you don't care.

Come on NASCAR -- jump the shark!

With all these characters -- this would be a writer's dream!

(sadly, I would still watch it)
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I would love to see Jimmie Spencer back on the air. He told the truth and the truth hurts.
 
gnomesayin said:
Until NASCAR decided that they weren't strictly in the racing business, fuel mileage has always been a key part of top tier auto racing. You're like a baseball fan who thinks that pitching duels suck and wants a minimum number of runs per game to be instituted to eliminate them.
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It's just bad on my nerves
 
ReturnTrip said:
The segment breaks are like 10 minutes long. That's 40+ minutes of cars coasting around the track, plus another 40 minutes of debris cautions. NASCAR keeps encroaching upon any purity they once had. It's putting me to sleep.
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Oh no! What ever will you do to overcome this travesty? :D
 
LewTheShoe said:
It matters to me. I'm not happy about Nascar changing the formula yet again. I was initially put off by the idea of stages, but it has worked very well IMO with two short "heat races" followed by a long run to the end. Now this race will be a series of four heats, and I don't like that. I don't see any need to change it up.
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But does it really matter? Really? Lol
 
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