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Jorge De Guzman

Jorge De Guzman

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The Cup Series makes its annual second stop at Daytona International Speedway for the 2021 NASCAR Cup Series Regular Season Finale that will set the field for the 2021 Playoffs. Storylines include RCR Teammates Austin Dillon and Tyler Reddick battling each other for the final points spot to make it into the playoffs, Denny Hamlin trying to unseat Kyle Larson as Regular Season Points leader to secure those oh so precious playoff points that a driver will need to make it to Phoenix and will we have a upset (Chris Buescher, Ryan Newman, Austin Dillon, Bubba Wallace) winner like our Daytona 500 winner this past February to steal that 16th seed in the playoffs?
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:Wawa 250 Friday August 27th 7:30PM (ET)
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: Coke Zero Sugar 400 Saturday August 28th 7pm (ET)
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Last year was wild I expect the same, especially with it only being 1 spot up for grabs
 
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I was at this one, 2002. Race ended under caution and seat cushions were thrown all over the track. 1st and last Daytona race.....
 
Good news, for us here in the Phoenix market, our local independent station KTVK channel 3 is going to airing the race since our local NBC will have the Cardinals game.
 
Following Logano's flip at the most recent Talladega race, NASCAR has decided to slow the cars down by installing turtles on the backstretch introducing an even smaller tapered spacer for Daytona and Talladega (53/64 -inch instead of 57/64)
The wicker bill will also be removed.
www.nascar.com

NASCAR issues rules changes to slow and reinforce Cup Series cars at superspeedways

NASCAR competition officials announced rules changes Tuesday with the intent to slow Cup Series cars at superspeedway events.
www.nascar.com www.nascar.com
 
donthaveanickname said:
Following Logano's flip at the most recent Talladega race, NASCAR has decided to slow the cars down by installing turtles on the backstretch introducing an even smaller tapered spacer for Daytona and Talladega (53/64 -inch instead of 57/64)
The wicker bill will also be removed.
www.nascar.com

NASCAR issues rules changes to slow and reinforce Cup Series cars at superspeedways

NASCAR competition officials announced rules changes Tuesday with the intent to slow Cup Series cars at superspeedway events.
www.nascar.com www.nascar.com
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Theres no way NASCAR actually thinks that the speed is the problem with blow overs. They can’t be that daft right?

The problem is these cars get sideways and become super light. If there is any impact while in that situation it lifts the car off the track and then the air rushing under the car lifts it like a feather.

These cars are are designed to have air flow over the hood to the rear deck lid. If they aren’t pointed straight, they evolve from being sucked to the track to being a wing primed for lift.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Theres no way NASCAR actually thinks that the speed is the problem with blow overs. They can’t be that daft right?

The problem is these cars get sideways and become super light. If there is any impact while in that situation it lifts the car off the track and then the air rushing under the car lifts it like a feather.

These cars are are designed to have air flow over the hood to the rear deck lid. If they aren’t pointed straight, they evolve from being sucked to the track to being a wing primed for lift.
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There is a way.

Velocity is the most significant factor in the calculation for downforce or, as in this^ case, for lift because both increase with the square of the car's speed. V2
 
aunty dive said:
There is a way.

Velocity is the most significant factor in the calculation for downforce or, as in this^ case, for lift because both increase with the square of the car's speed. V2
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yeah, for years Nascar has been limiting speed on the super speedways. I think from the late 60's. The teams continue to get faster, and Nascar continues to hold them around 200 or a little less. This isn't done for the heck of it.
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah, for years Nascar has been limiting speed on the super speedways. I think from the late 60's. The teams continue to get faster, and Nascar continues to hold them around 200 or a little less. This isn't done for the heck of it.
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I’d suggest it has a lot to do with NASHCASH’s relationship with its liability insurors.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Theres no way NASCAR actually thinks that the speed is the problem with blow overs. They can’t be that daft right?

The problem is these cars get sideways and become super light. If there is any impact while in that situation it lifts the car off the track and then the air rushing under the car lifts it like a feather.

These cars are are designed to have air flow over the hood to the rear deck lid. If they aren’t pointed straight, they evolve from being sucked to the track to being a wing primed for lift.
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If there’s no speed, there’s no air flow to lift. The cars don’t get off the ground when they’re sitting still, no matter what direction they’re pointing.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Theres no way NASCAR actually thinks that the speed is the problem with blow overs. They can’t be that daft right?

The problem is these cars get sideways and become super light. If there is any impact while in that situation it lifts the car off the track and then the air rushing under the car lifts it like a feather.

These cars are are designed to have air flow over the hood to the rear deck lid. If they aren’t pointed straight, they evolve from being sucked to the track to being a wing primed for lift.
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If you slow them down, you reduce the chances of them catching air. I'm all for going slower. There's a reason pretty much every major racing series in the world (save for drag racing) tops out at about 190-220mph. Scary **** starts happening beyond that...all those old Indy crashes in the 80s/90s and Le Mans crashes in the 80s are terrifying enough.

That said, I saw a Bandelaro flip and a Street Stock flip in the past week.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
If you slow them down, you reduce the chances of them catching air. I'm all for going slower. There's a reason pretty much every major racing series in the world (save for drag racing) tops out at about 190-220mph. Scary **** starts happening beyond that...all those old Indy crashes in the 80s/90s and Le Mans crashes in the 80s are terrifying enough.

That said, I saw a Bandelaro flip and a Street Stock flip in the past week.
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This sport has had awful wrecks and flips at these tracks at every speed ever ran there. Crossing my fingers that it doesn’t happen again. The problem isn’t the speed. We haven’t seen a single car spin/flip all by itself since the COT days, IIRC. Nearly every airborn crash since 2012 has resulted from being spun and punted while sideways. The problem is when they make contact while not straightened out and that is impossible to fix when they race so close now.
 
StandOnIt said:

Talladega Teardown: Roof Flaps and Catch Fences​


buildingspeed.org

Talladega Teardown: Roof Flaps and Catch Fences

"You have to understand that, like, for years, we have had wrecks like this every time we come to Talladega ever since the (restrictor) plate got here, and for
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This article was written in 2009 and this quote is still relevant today:

“NASCAR has a long, long history of being reactive. Here’s an instance in which NASCAR must be proactive and make changes before something really serious happens.”

Now we have NASCAR putting a bandaid on the issue by lowering the top speeds. The exact same reaction they had after McMurray’s 2018 flip at Talladega - and it didn’t do a damn thing.

If they want to minimize there airborne wrecks, they need to get the cars separated out of these super congested packs so that cars can spin without being t-boned and lifted into the air.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
This article was written in 2009 and this quote is still relevant today:

“NASCAR has a long, long history of being reactive. Here’s an instance in which NASCAR must be proactive and make changes before something really serious happens.”

Now we have NASCAR putting a bandaid on the issue by lowering the top speeds. The exact same reaction they had after McMurray’s 2018 flip at Talladega - and it didn’t do a damn thing.

If they want to minimize there airborne wrecks, they need to get the cars separated out of these super congested packs so that cars can spin without being t-boned and lifted into the air.
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Once again, Nascar tries to keep the max speed at 200 or less. they have been doing that for years. Here is a quote the flatfooters will never accept or understand.

"What makes good racing? It’s the relative speed, not the absolute speed. If two cars are going nose-to-nose for the win, it’s just as exciting at 170 mph as it is at 190 mph. Does it really matter that much to you? It does to the drivers."
 
StandOnIt said:
Once again, Nascar tries to keep the max speed at 200 or less. they have been doing that for years. Here is a quote the flatfooters will never accept or understand.

"What makes good racing? It’s the relative speed, not the absolute speed. If two cars are going nose-to-nose for the win, it’s just as exciting at 170 mph as it is at 190 mph. Does it really matter that much to you? It does to the drivers."
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We even have to put a chip in a nitro car to keep the mph under 340. They get nervous anytime we go over 335.
 
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