compareing the 3 legends again with more info

Sure,

the post immediately preceding mine transported me to the "Twilight Zone":)
 
ahhh , i appologize for the brain fart. i must be there with you, lol.:p
 
I am technically laughing my ass off at what judas1 had to say about clinton :D :D
Now my question is about 1967, didn't they run well over 45 races?
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Of 48 races in 1967, Richard Petty won 27 including 10 in a row....ain't nobody before or since come close to 10 in a row either.

And Scrabbledude, I agree that there are many drivers who's stats will never show just how legendary they really are. For the real deal on the legends of auto racing, visit http://www.motorsportshalloffame.com/main/..._halloffame.htm

Funny, you won't find Dale (five year wait) but there's Ralph. And sure enuf Wendell is there, along with Alan and Tim (both Flock and Richmond) and Benny and AJ and Richard.

As for ol Dave, I imagine his wingtips will get there even if he doesn't.:D
 
Tim Flock...a good name to mention 71!A real legend where I grew up near Ft.Payne Alabama.I had heard from several old folks
up there that the Flocks were from the mountaintop....though I think they claim somewhere else as their birthplace.At any rate the mountain claims them!I also remember that Tim had one of the best races/wins ratios of all time,if not the best.I was unable to find many stats on the Flock Brothers,but I know that Tim won 40 races in 189 starts!Something that any driver would be proud of!
 
Stats on many drivers from the 50's are hard to come by, and often contradictory. Heres what I cound dig up on Fonty and Tim at one place, but it had nothing on Bob. Metro Atlanta has long the Flock bros, but they may well have been born elsewhere. Many do not knwo about the sister, Ethel, who race under her mariied name which I believe was Mobley.

Some of this may not paste in very well.

Fonty Flock

Fonty was born March 21, 1921 and died July 15, 1972 ...he hailed from Decatur, Georgia....One of four siblings to race in the late '40s, throughout the '50s and into the '60s....others were brothers Bob and Tim, and sister Ethel.....won 30 poles and 19 races in 154 career starts between 1949 and 1957....he briefely quit Nascar in 1954, but returned for two more full seasons....among his most impressive triumphs: Langhorne, the 1952 Southern 500 at Darlington, a 100-miler at the 1.5-mile track at LeHi, Arkansas.....finished second in the very first Winston Cup race, held in Charlotte, in 1949.

Lifetime EVENTS POLES WINS TOP 10 MONEY
Totals 154 33 19 83 $73,758.


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Tim Flock

Tim was born May 11, 1924 and hails from Atlanta, Georgia...Two-time ('52 and '55) series champion won 37 poles and 40 races in 187 starts between 1949 and 1961...best season was 55 when he won 18 races and had 15 other top-10 finishes in 38 starts....was fifth in the first Winston Cup race at Charlotte in 1949....won 18 races between 1950 and 1953, then sat out the '54 season after being disqualified from an apparent victory at Daytona Beach in February of that year...returned the next season and won 18 races and the championship for owner Carl Kiekhaefer....won back to back races an incredible 11 times in his career...

Lifetime EVENTS POLES WINS TOP 10 MONEY
Totals 187 39 39 127 $109,656.
 
Thanks for the info,HS.I know I have read that the Flock's were from Georgia as you stated.But still the rumors persist around the Ft.Payne/Valley Head area of northeast Alabama.Interesting in either case.

And I think you are also correct on the sisters name:Ethel Mobley.I was almost certain that she had won a few local races in the early fifties but could find nothing to verify this.

And I like the stats you found even better:40 wins in 187 races is even better!Not to mention 37 poles.Amazing.
 
She might have run some short tracks and won, don't know for sure. She only ran two NASCAR races that I can find, with Sara Christian and Louse Smith, (Christian was probably the best).

What I have:

Ethel Flock Mobley
Ethel was named after the gasoline her father used in his taxi
she was the youngest daughter of the Flock family
in 1948 her brother Bob built New Atlanta Speedway and invited Sara Christian, Mildred Williams (Sisters) and his own sister Ethel to race there
Ethel qualified for her first NASCAR Grand National race on July 9, 1949 joining her brothers Tim, Fonty and Bob
The race took place on the 166-mile beach road coarse in Daytona Beach Flordia where she finished 11th in her Cadilaac
she later raced in Langhorne, Pennsylvania where she finished 44th
 
it is funny that once they started getting more stricter with the rules richards win percentage went right down the tube
 
That's not funny smack500. It just shows Richard's true colors. Everybody knew he cheated constantly they just didn't have a system in place to catch people like him. Too bad too, I'm sure a lot of well deserving drivers were cheated right out of a victory.
 
Just got this funny little thing about supporting documentation or some type corroborating evidence.

When ya'll get a chance.

thanks
 
Originally posted by smack500
it is funny that once they started getting more stricter with the rules richards win percentage went right down the tube
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I know its not possible that old age and technolodgy caught with him. So I wont say anything, ok.

well, maybe a bit, you cant take an old timer and let him run a team when tech. is passing him by. i think this played a major role in the kings career along with getting old. now i know you might choose to think differently, this is America and i would die for anyone to have their own opinion.:)
 
Even if richard would have quit after his last win he would still have a bad consistancy record his rookie year was 1959 and his 200th win was in 1984 I think someone said thats what 25 years

its not just the amount of years its the amount of races

and Id like to see some type of proof he won 27 races I thought it was more around 19 20
 
I think jeff Gordon has a bad inconsistency in his record too?:confused:

Naahh, it just must be me:(
 
It might be but if you compare richards and his side by side... and what does it matter anyway I thought were talking about richard
 
what 25 years and about 45+ races most of those years compared to um lets see 9 years and 30-36 races
 
Year Races Wins Top 5 Top 10 Points Money
1958 9 0 0 1 36th $760
1959 22 0 5 8 15th $7,630
1960 40 3 17 30 2nd $35,180
1961 42 2 18 22 8th $22,696
1962 52 8 32 38 2nd $52,885
1963 54 13 30 38 2nd $47,765
1964 61 9 36 41 1st $98,810
1965 14 4 10 10 38th $16,450
1966 39 8 20 21 3rd $78,930
1967 48 27 38 39 1st $130,275
1968 49 16 31 33 3rd $89,103
1969 50 10 31 35 2nd $109,180
1970 40 19 25 29 4th $138,969
1971 46 21 38 41 1st $309,225
1972 31 8 25 27 1st $227,015
1973 28 6 15 16 5th $159,655
1974 30 10 22 23 1st $299,175
1975 30 13 21 24 1st $378,865
1976 30 3 19 22 2nd $338,265
1977 30 5 20 23 2nd $345,886
1978 30 0 11 17 6th $215,491
1979 31 5 23 27 1st $531,292
1980 31 2 15 18 4th $374,092
1981 31 3 12 16 8th $389,214
1982 30 0 9 16 5th $453,832
1983 30 3 9 21 4th $491,022
1984 30 2 5 13 10th $251,226
1985 28 0 1 13 14th $306,142
1986 29 0 4 11 14th $280,657
1987 29 0 9 14 8th $468,602
1988 29 0 1 5 22nd $190,155
1989 25 0 0 0 29th $133,050
1990 29 0 0 1 26th $169,465
1991 29 0 0 1 24th $268,035
1992 29 0 0 0 26th $348,870
 
I can't believe people would even argue this point to this extent. Richard won more than twice as many races as anybody else. How is that debatable?
 
Lots of numbers there Smack...

A little boil down on your consistemcy statement.

After 1984 Richard started 227 races. If we take those form lifetime total that leaves 957 races. He won 200 of them. That works out to winning percentage of 20.89.

What number do ya reckon makes consistency?? And who's number do ya think is better?

Even if you leave the years in, Richard is in the top 6 all time winning percentages for drivers with 500 starts. In the history of NASCAR.
 
It just goes to show you...Figures don't lie, but liars can figure.
 
wholly smokes HS that seems pretty amazing to me. even long term.
 
Hardscarmble let me see some type of proof that he only start 227 races in 1984 I find that hard to beleive with all the races they had then

judas whats the big deal with comparing gordon to richard anyway I was just saying hes a great driver I realise hes not a legend yet I am just intrested in him I had them all 3 compared and I posted all the info I gathered about it
 
I still find it hard to compare richard with modern day guys because most of his wins come from days when someone could have put nitro on there car and noone would have known cause they didnt check for it but yes richard has better consistancy more wins and has been in nascar more then anyone he is the best and the way nascar is setup now it probally wont never happen again
 
Hardscramble you are wrong buddy he has started alot more races the 227 by 1984 please research more

Year Races Wins Top 5 Top 10 Points Money
1958 9 0 0 1 36th $760
1959 22 0 5 8 15th $7,630
1960 40 3 17 30 2nd $35,180
1961 42 2 18 22 8th $22,696
1962 52 8 32 38 2nd $52,885
1963 54 13 30 38 2nd $47,765
1964 61 9 36 41 1st $98,810
1965 14 4 10 10 38th $16,450
1966 39 8 20 21 3rd $78,930
1967 48 27 38 39 1st $130,275
1968 49 16 31 33 3rd $89,103
1969 50 10 31 35 2nd $109,180
1970 40 19 25 29 4th $138,969
1971 46 21 38 41 1st $309,225
1972 31 8 25 27 1st $227,015
1973 28 6 15 16 5th $159,655
1974 30 10 22 23 1st $299,175
1975 30 13 21 24 1st $378,865
1976 30 3 19 22 2nd $338,265
1977 30 5 20 23 2nd $345,886
1978 30 0 11 17 6th $215,491
1979 31 5 23 27 1st $531,292
1980 31 2 15 18 4th $374,092
1981 31 3 12 16 8th $389,214
1982 30 0 9 16 5th $453,832
1983 30 3 9 21 4th $491,022
1984 30 2 5 13 10th $251,226
 
Originally posted by smack500
Hardscarmble let me see some type of proof that he only start 227 races in 1984 I find that hard to beleive with all the races they had then
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You posted the list of races started yourself. Just add up the races starting in 1985 through 1992.
 
judas whats the big deal with comparing gordon to richard anyway I was just saying hes a great driver I realise hes not a legend yet I am just intrested in him I had them all 3 compared and I posted all the info I gathered about it

I just dont think there is an honest comparison at this time. He is a good driver with good equipment. he has shown to be quite a star with everanham. im sure he wishes it could have remained. evvy did push jeff a lot more than people know. i used to listen to them talk on my scanner because i used to do a lot of work for DuPont and i was a gordo fan when he first started. but then there was just way way way too much whining for me. so i stopped liking him and found somewhat of a bitter taste for him now, unfortunately. thats my story and im stickin to it:)
 
You're 100 percent correct Smack, through 1984 he started 957 races just like I said. After 1984 he started 227. What point are you making here???
 
And what is the winning percentage of 200 wins out of 957 starts, or use 928 if that makes any difference.
 
957 races 200 wins im sorry but that just doesnt sound like one of the best consistant drivers in nascar
 
Well let me put it this way. No one with hsitory of more than 5 years in NASCAR will touch it I don't think.

Do a little research and come up with one better.
 
jeff after the 2001 season had started in like 292 races and won 58

dale had competed in like 638 races and won 75
 
hey smack, take a look back at rusty's career if my memory serves me correctly. when he drove the black mgd pontiac. look at his stats. then, look at his stats since. jeffy could very well end up doing the same thing. dontya think?
 
what about darrel waltrip hardscramble whats his percentages he has the most wins in nascar winston cup by nascar inc. standards :D
 
Originally posted by smack500
and Id like to see some type of proof he won 27 races I thought it was more around 19 20
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"Richard Petty NASCAR Winston Cup Career: 1958-92

The undisputed "King" of stock car racing with 200 NASCAR Winston Cup Series wins, Petty won seven series championships during his 35-year career. In the most remarkable season in NASCAR history, Petty won 27 of 48 races -- including a record 10 straight -- and finished second seven times in cruising to the 1967 title.....snip......

Petty ranks first in numerous NASCAR Winston Cup all-time categories: all-time wins (200), races started (1,184), top-five finishes (555), top-10 finishes (712), pole positions (126), laps completed (307,836), laps led (52,194), races led (599) and consecutive races won (10). "

from http://www.nascar.com/2002/kyn/history/dri...etty/index.html
 
Darrell Waltrip

Entries: 550
From: 5/10/1975
To: 11/19/2000
Wins: 84
Poles: 33
2nd: 17
3rd: 24
4rd - 5th: 43
DNF: 81
6th - 10th: 70
11th - 20th: 102
Out of 20th: 198
Championships: 3

Winning Percntage: 15.27
 
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