Cup RACE thread --- Homestead

The Nature Boy said:
Absolutely, Larson has a lot to be proud of. Dude is a generational talent…

which is also why he frustrates me. I can count on one hand the number of drivers in the history of stock car racing with more natural talent than Kyle Larson. He would have a hand full of rings if he were more laser focused. He pisses away races on a regular basis.
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TBH, I don't think he would. He'd have more wins, but CGR was never championship fast. Last year, he wasn't.

Him not winning it this year would potentially fit that bill, if he's that fast at Phoenix. But if he does win it this year, then he's the 6th driver to win 2 titles in the last 30 years.

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Dr_B_UNC said:
If Larson could ever figure out the 7 inches between his ears he’d probably have Jimmie Johnson level dominance or better.
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I do think that's the only real thing separating someone like him from Johnson and a few others. The same can be said about a lot of guys though. That's really what separated Johnson from the rest. And with his consistency etc that's why I think Byron still has so much potential vs just raw speed.
 
jaqua19 said:
TBH, I don't think he would. He'd have more wins, but CGR was never championship fast. Last year, he wasn't.

Him not winning it this year would potentially fit that bill, if he's that fast at Phoenix. But if he does win it this year, then he's the 6th driver to win 2 titles in the last 30 years.

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The thing with Larson is that he’s capable of an elite tier career. Given his talent, a Brad K/Matt Kenseth career would be beneath him.

I don’t know why Larson fans take personal offense with the idea that a laser focus on stock car racing might actually be beneficial. The NASCAR Cup Series is the pinnacle of stock car racing. Do none of you ****** respect the discipline you spend your Sundays watching?
 
Efisher131 said:
I think it was more being super aggressive getting to pit road because he has nothing to lose, and the guy in front of him being conservative because he has everything to lose. Have to be aware of your surroundings.
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Yep, on the radio Larson was reeling off all of the strategy he was doing. Said he didn't realize Blaney slowed as hard as he did, but it was his fault he didn't realize it. Was mad he gave up control of the race in the second stage and was trying to get it back. Dirt racing wasn't mentioned.
 
The Nature Boy said:
The thing with Larson is that he’s capable of an elite tier career. Given his talent, a Brad K/Matt Kenseth career would be beneath him.

I don’t know why Larson fans take personal offense with the idea that a laser focus on stock car racing might actually be beneficial. The NASCAR Cup Series is the pinnacle of stock car racing. Do none of you ****** respect the discipline you spend your Sundays watching?
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Nobody is taking offense but yourself. When a driver is number one in Nascar, in the final four, has won the High Limit sprint car series and is testing and passing for a Indycar ride, it is buffoonery to be yapping in the neg about it. But freak freely, it's fun
 
StandOnIt said:
Nobody is taking offense but yourself. When a driver is number one in Nascar, in the final four, has won the High Limit sprint car series and is testing and passing for a Indycar ride, it is buffoonery to be yapping in the neg about it. But freak freely, it's fun
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“Number one in NASCAR”? The dude is in the back half of the top 10 in average finish, which points to an issue that you and the other fanboys ignore, the dude pisses away races on a regular basis by overdriving what he has and making simple mental mistakes.

I don’t care about sprint cars or IndyCar.
 
hmmm298 said:
I do think that's the only real thing separating someone like him from Johnson and a few others. The same can be said about a lot of guys though. That's really what separated Johnson from the rest. And with his consistency etc that's why I think Byron still has so much potential vs just raw speed.
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Johnson also had the same generational talent as Larson, imo. Johnson was greater than the sum of his talent and racecraft.

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The Nature Boy said:
The thing with Larson is that he’s capable of an elite tier career. Given his talent, a Brad K/Matt Kenseth career would be beneath him.

I don’t know why Larson fans take personal offense with the idea that a laser focus on stock car racing might actually be beneficial. The NASCAR Cup Series is the pinnacle of stock car racing. Do none of you ****** respect the discipline you spend your Sundays watching?
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I don't take offense to it. I do think he will win 3 titles, regardless. I think his mistakes are the difference between 45-55 wins and 65-75 wins, imo.

Still an all timer, but it's still frustrating.

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The Nature Boy said:
“Number one in NASCAR”? The dude is in the back half of the top 10 in average finish, which points to an issue that you and the other fanboys ignore, the dude pisses away races on a regular basis by overdriving what he has and making simple mental mistakes.

I don’t care about sprint cars or IndyCar.
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He is the best in NASCAR though despite all of his errors.

Since joining HMS he leads the series in wins, top 5s, top 10s, laps lead, championships, and is 2nd in avg finish.

He objectively IS the best in cup, despite the errors. Which is why it's so frustrating.

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The Nature Boy said:
“Number one in NASCAR”? The dude is in the back half of the top 10 in average finish, which points to an issue that you and the other fanboys ignore, the dude pisses away races on a regular basis by overdriving what he has and making simple mental mistakes.

I don’t care about sprint cars or IndyCar.
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I heard he was in the final four? Won the High Limit Sprint car series, going to race in an Indycar next year, You hear of any other driver that has accomplished that this year?
 
jaqua19 said:
I don't take offense to it. I do think he will win 3 titles, regardless. I think his mistakes are the difference between 45-55 wins and 65-75 wins, imo.

Still an all timer, but it's still frustrating.

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I mostly agree. My only point is that Larson would be much better at stock car racing if he cut back on dirt racing. If I were Hendrick, I would make him cut back and focus on his day job.

I think Larson has the talent to join the 7 time champions club. He just needs to harness it.
 
StandOnIt said:
I heard he was in the final four? Won the High Limit Sprint car series, going to race in an Indycar next year, You hear of any other driver that has accomplished that this year?
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When you have to point to a driver’s non-stock car racing accomplishments, you’ve lost the plot. The fact that he’s “accomplishing” these things shows his lack of focus on stock car racing.
 
jaqua19 said:
So, can we meet in the middle and say Larson is the best in NASCAR AND he leaves wins on the table because he's mistake prone?

LOL.

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I will agree with that. Best natural talent on the sport but he needs to get better at closing things down.
 
Maybe STFU

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StandOnIt said:
Maybe STFU

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Larson’s accomplishments in sprint cars are totally irrelevant to his stock car racing career. Call me when he puts his money where his mouth is and supports the stock car racing grassroots on a regular basis.

Larson fanboys can’t grasp that actual stock car racing fans support stock car racing. If sprint car talent meant anything in NASCAR, JJ Yeley would be a multi time champion. Guys like Jeff Gordon, Kyle Larson, and Tony Stewart are exceptions, not the rule. It’s a totally different discipline.
 
The Nature Boy said:
Larson’s accomplishments in sprint cars are totally irrelevant to his stock car racing career. Call me when he puts his money where his mouth is and supports the stock car racing grassroots on a regular basis.

Larson fanboys can’t grasp that actual stock car racing fans support stock car racing. If sprint car talent meant anything in NASCAR, JJ Yeley would be a multi time champion. Guys like Jeff Gordon, Kyle Larson, and Tony Stewart are exceptions, not the rule. It’s a totally different discipline.
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I understand you are a casual racing fan, but some of us follow racing in broader contexts. We don't use blinders. lol.
 
The Nature Boy said:
If you’re going to come after me then have the guts to tag me.

I’ve also said that both are incredible talents and that Larson wouldn’t make as many dumb mistakes if he focused more on Cup. There are some broken barrels in Miami that help prove my point. ;)
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I never had a doubt that you would see it, so no need to tag you... and I was right. Now please explain to me and anyone else here that might be interested how hitting those barrels had anything to do with dirt racing, or not caring enough about NASCAR, or proving your point as you seem to think it did. It looked to me like he may be caring a little too much about his performance in NASCAR and making some pretty costly mistakes because of it. The guy is already locked into the final 4 so he doesn't really need to be pushing so hard like he was doing today. :rolleyes:
 
Considering pavement short track racing can’t seem to get any consistent publicity for any reason other than pit road/garage brawls and drivers flat out wrecking each other for the win, maybe it’s for the best Larson doesn’t pay much attention to it.

Dirt is his background, and it’s where much of the top driving talent, fan attendance, steaming viewership, and purse money currently is. He is challenging himself by going out and doing this regularly. I don’t buy that he’d much a smoother driver if he twiddled his thumbs five days a week.

I find drivers who compete in various forms of Motorsport much more interesting anyways. Maybe more NASCAR and F1 drivers can figure this out someday.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Considering pavement short track racing can’t seem to get any consistent publicity for any reason other than pit road/garage brawls and drivers flat out wrecking each other for the win, maybe it’s for the best Larson doesn’t pay much attention to it.

Dirt is his background, and it’s where much of the top driving talent, fan attendance, steaming viewership, and purse money currently is. He is challenging himself by going out and doing this regularly. I don’t buy that he’d much a smoother driver if he twiddled his thumbs five days a week.

I find drivers who compete in various forms of Motorsport much more interesting anyways. Maybe more NASCAR and F1 drivers can figure this out someday.
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Right? I enjoy late models but it’s nothing compared to the WoO. Larson has been a much better driver since increasing his dirt work load
 
The Nature Boy said:
“Number one in NASCAR”? The dude is in the back half of the top 10 in average finish, which points to an issue that you and the other fanboys ignore, the dude pisses away races on a regular basis by overdriving what he has and making simple mental mistakes.

I don’t care about sprint cars or IndyCar.
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I know this may be hard for you to believe but the world doesn't revolve around what you care about. There are a lot of fans that does care about sprint cars and IndyCar...and I'm one of them, so I don't give rats azz what you think about it. I hope that wasn't to direct.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I know this may be hard for you to believe but the world doesn't revolve around what you care about. There are a lot of fans that does care about sprint cars and IndyCar...and I'm one of them, so I don't give rats azz what you think about it. I hope that wasn't to direct.
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Kinda hard to be an informed racing fan if all you follow is only Cup racing in Nascar IMO. When I heard it said that only two or three Nascar drivers raced on dirt, I knew we were in for a long night lol.
 
jaqua19 said:
I don't think it's difficult to understand what NB is suggesting. Holy cow.

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I understand what he is suggesting I just don't agree with it. I don't think any of Larsons mistakes are due to him not caring about NASCAR or devoting his full attention to just them. But NB doesn't want to except that some other fans and I don't agree with him.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I understand what he is suggesting I just don't agree with it. I don't think any of Larsons mistakes are due to him not caring about NASCAR or devoting his full attention to just them. But NB doesn't want to except that some other fans and I don't agree with him.
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I don't think he has a lack of care. I don't know if I agree with that.

But where I DO somewhat agree, at least in my opinion, is that Larson is a very instinctual racer. And I think because of how often he races on dirt, he brings some habits instinctually into the cup car that resulted in the mistakes he makes. I think that if Larson ran less on dirt, those habits would become less "sticky" if you will, and newer habits would develop. I think that logic is reasonable. At the same time, maybe it IS making him a better stock car driver. Regardless, even if ending his dirt racing made him less mistake prone, I would NOT want to see him quit it, or any other racing outside NASCAR, because we as fans miss out.

We can't know for sure. What I do know is Larson is mistake prone, and it makes me feel better as a fan if there is a reason for it, and if it's "fixable", in theory, opposed to him just being an overdriving error prone wheel man who will always leave wins on the table.

But who knows.

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The Nature Boy said:
“Number one in NASCAR”? The dude is in the back half of the top 10 in average finish, which points to an issue that you and the other fanboys ignore, the dude pisses away races on a regular basis by overdriving what he has and making simple mental mistakes.

I don’t care about sprint cars or IndyCar.
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The Nature Boy said:
I follow multiple levels of stock car racing.
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I don't have a problem with Stock car racing. You are the one that has problems with Sprint Cars and Indycars. BTW I don't have problems with those either.
 
jaqua19 said:
Johnson also had the same generational talent as Larson, imo. Johnson was greater than the sum of his talent and racecraft.

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Still at least at this stage Larson isn’t really close, but he could be. It’s just the composure and awareness etc that separates some of the true greats given similar talent levels etc imo.
 
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