cup / road america next yr.....put sonoma in chase ?

UPDATE:The 2014 Sprint Cup schedule is being debated behind closed doors, and some quite interesting twists appear on the table at the moment. Just a few weeks ago it looked like NASCAR didn't plan any major, or even minor, changes for 2014. Now, however, word is things have, for some reason, changed. What NASCAR eventually does with next year's Cup calendar seems up for review, with few sacred cows. Don't make any hotel reservations, but here are some possible moves:
-- Homestead might lose its spot as the season finale;
-- Phoenix might gain the final spot on the 2014 tour;
-- Sonoma could earn a spot in the playoffs, adding a California stop to the chase;
-- Road America, that picturesque road course at Elkhart Lake, Wis., an hour north of Milwaukee, could get a slot in the 2014 Cup schedule (even though NASCAR's Brian France earlier this year said he planned no new tracks on the tour next season);
-- how to fit a new track in the schedule? Dover could lose its late spring Cup weekend (keeping its early fall Cup date, in the chase), track boss Denis McGlynn, not unaccustomed to such speculation, would surely fight hard to keep both;
-- and -- hold your horses -- Darlington might even get its traditional Labor Day weekend Southern 500 back;
-- to fill that Mother's Day Saturday night slot, maybe a swap with Atlanta;
Of course after all this debate NASCAR might simply decide not to make any changes for 2014.(MikeMulhern.net)(9-17-2013)
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Second vote for the Bowmanville Motorsports park up in Canada.
 
StandOnIt said:
I thought they had a good race with the N'wide cars there, can't see the cup cars having any problems, they aren't going to be that much faster. Race came off great, and it sounds like it isn't a chase track if it is to be.
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They'd have to make changes to the garage, pit lane and probably add grandstands to bring it up to Cup standards. Went through this when promoters at the Milwaukee Mile asked for a Cup date back in the day. Nobody would be more happy than me if Cup went there, been going to Elkhart Lake since I was 4 or 5, but don't see it happening in 2014 based on what George Bruggenthies has said in the paper here. 2015 maybe but probably not 2014.
 
I haven't gone back to read all of the posts and I am kind of suspect of Mulhern stories but where is this date coming from? Who's losing their weekend?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I haven't gone back to read all of the posts and I am kind of suspect of Mulhern stories but where is this date coming from? Who's losing their weekend?
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In his "hypothetical" schedule, he has Miami losing their date.

Road America gets Sonoma's June date.

Sonoma gets Phoenix's fall Chase date.

Phoenix gets Homestead-Miami's date.
 
KevinWI said:
They'd have to make changes to the garage, pit lane and probably add grandstands to bring it up to Cup standards. Went through this when promoters at the Milwaukee Mile asked for a Cup date back in the day. Nobody would be more happy than me if Cup went there, been going to Elkhart Lake since I was 4 or 5, but don't see it happening in 2014 based on what George Bruggenthies has said in the paper here. 2015 maybe but probably not 2014.
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the N'wide works for me, if that is all they can get without too much trouble, it was a good race and pulled a good crowd IMO. Circuit of the Americas, late in the season after it cools off a bit down there in Austin would work for me for the cup cars. They could blow them out on that track.
 
StandOnIt said:
the N'wide works for me, if that is all they can get without too much trouble, it was a good race and pulled a good crowd IMO. Circuit of the Americas, late in the season after it cools off a bit down there in Austin would work for me for the cup cars. They could blow them out on that track.
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Well, like I said, the local paper here talked to George Bruggenthies (RA president) about two months ago. He said they're willing to make the investments to bring the track up to Cup standards but they need something in writing from Cup first. And said it would take 18 months.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Then I will go out on a limb and say that Miami will not lose a date to RA. I can't see ISC giving up the income.
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After the Nationwide race this year at RA when everybody was gushing over it, ESPN asked Ricky Craven about it and he seemed to think the only way they would get a Cup date would be if they added a 37th race.
 
WG is the most likely candidate for a chase date, but Sonoma may make more sense from a promotional standpoint to garner interest on the West coast..
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Then I will go out on a limb and say that Miami will not lose a date to RA. I can't see ISC giving up the income.
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Have you thought about this? what income? pay the insurance, utilities, liability, maint, overhead and upkeep, and only have the place half full or less, might be able to make more income by contracting it out to another track.
 
StandOnIt said:
Have you thought about this? what income? pay the insurance, utilities, liability, maint, overhead and upkeep, and only have the place half full or less, might be able to make more income by contracting it out to another track.
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Think about this. TV is the real money, and it doesn't matter how many are in the stands.
 
FenderBumper said:
WG is the most likely candidate for a chase date, but Sonoma may make more sense from a promotional standpoint to garner interest on the West coast..
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Upstate New York doesn't sound like fun in October or November though.
 
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FenderBumper said:
Think about this. TV is the real money, and it doesn't matter how many are in the stands.
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There ya go, might make more money contracting some of the races out to different tracks and venues. happened this year with Nationwide road course (yea!) and the trucks on the dirt. Could be a way to reduce the 1.5's is for ISC tracks to reduce their double dipping of races and contract out the race to other various different tracks..Probably help the ratings which is where the big money is.
 
KevinWI said:
Upstate New York doesn't sound like fun in October or November though.
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It's beautiful up there in those months, especially October, but they close operations early September. I'm sure they would stay open for an early chase date. Sonoma is a SMI track, WG is ISC, so it would come down to who wanted to give up another date in the chase.
 
StandOnIt said:
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There ya go, might make more money contracting some of the races out to different tracks and venues. happened this year with Nationwide road course (yea!) and the trucks on the dirt. Could be a way to reduce the 1.5's is for ISC tracks to reduce their double dipping of races and contract out the race to other various different tracks..Probably help the ratings which is where the big money is.
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that would require the France family to be more concerned with growing the sport than making money. As it is now, Lisa and Brian are competing to bring in the most money at the detriment of the fans. They have the nascar version of business and invite team sponsors to join, then they suck off cash on track sponsorship, race sponsorships and official [blank] of nascar BS. Would you rather see Saturday night races during football season? Forget about it. The networks pay more if the Frances allow them to use nascar to compete with the NFL. Want to see a winder variety of tracks in more diverse markets? Forget it, because it's more profitable to run 2 races at the same ISC track.

1.5's with tons of seating and double dates was nascar's expansion plan, and it's failed.
 
FenderBumper said:
It's beautiful up there in those months, especially October, but they close operations early September. I'm sure they would stay open for an early chase date. Sonoma is a SMI track, WG is ISC, so it would come down to who wanted to give up another date in the chase.
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I remember one time Cup showed up for Rockingham in February and it was 55 degrees and everybody complained about the weather.
 
KevinWI said:
I remember one time Cup showed up for Rockingham in February and it was 55 degrees and everybody complained about the weather.
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I've been to Cup races at Rockingham in Feb. I think it was called the AC Delco 400?
As far as being cold, it wasn't bad during the day, but sleeping in a tent in Rockingham NC in Feb at night is not something any human should be doing.
 
I like a lot of the ideas in the article. I've been saying for a couple of years Darlington needs to go back to Labor Day weekend with Atlanta going somewhere else. But if I had my druthers, I'd like to see the schedule shortened to 32 or even 30 races, drop the second dates for Michigan, Pocono, Loudon, and maybe another somewhere else. It's like someone posted online last week, The Chase should start before the NFL season starts and the season should end the last week of October.
 
StandOnIt said:
Have you thought about this? what income? pay the insurance, utilities, liability, maint, overhead and upkeep, and only have the place half full or less, might be able to make more income by contracting it out to another track.
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FenderBumper said:
Think about this. TV is the real money, and it doesn't matter how many are in the stands.
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Nailed it. The largest share of the money for the tracks comes from the television contract, not the gate. It would be a huge loss to anyone that lost a date.
 
FenderBumper said:
WG is the most likely candidate for a chase date, but Sonoma may make more sense from a promotional standpoint to garner interest on the West coast..
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From strictly a racing standpoint..... WG hands down beats Sonoma. Garners interest? Yeah, probably Sonoma but I really don't know.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Nailed it. The largest share of the money for the tracks comes from the television contract, not the gate. It would be a huge loss to anyone that lost a date.
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Don't think it be a huge loss to ISC, they own the bat the ball and the ballpark. Give up one of their lowest rated 1.5's to a track that jackpots the TV ratings and the product is worth more.
 
StandOnIt said:
Don't think it be a huge loss to ISC, they own the bat the ball and the ballpark. Give up one of their lowest rated 1.5's to a track that jackpots the TV ratings and the product is worth more.
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Ratings are ratings. They can be up or they can be down. It doesn't change how much they get paid. Those contracts are signed, sealed, & delivered through what, 202?. The television money is what it is through then. It will only change once new contracts are signed. Back when these most recent contracts were negotiated, numbers were made public concerning the percentage of revenue from the gate vs. the television payout to each track. The gate was dwarfed by comparison to the television revenue. A loss of a track, whether it's ICS, SMI, or a private individual as the owner is a HUGE loss. Personally, I don't see any track dates being taken away outside of a privately owned track like Dover or Pocono. Then I might buy into it. I'd bet though that any attempt to do that would be tried out in court.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
What I posted from Jayski talked about Dover losing a date.
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Sorry, didn't see it. That I could buy into though. I went there for many, many years. Back when it used to be asphalt through the final 500 mile race and then beyond. I watched it grow from a rather small seating capacity to a monstrous, no pun intended, 150,000 fan seating complex. It never has anywhere near that in attendance anymore. It's days are numbered.
 

2014 Cup Schedule due out soon UPDATE: The 2014 NASCAR Sprint Cup schedule likely will be out by the end of September, NASCARs Kerry Tharp confirmed Friday at Richmond International Raceway. Tharp said there may be some minor tweaks to the 2014 schedule, but he did not expect a radical overhaul of track dates (FoxSports)(9-7-2013)
UPDATE:The 2014 Sprint Cup schedule is being debated behind closed doors, and some quite interesting twists appear on the table at the moment. Just a few weeks ago it looked like NASCAR didn't plan any major, or even minor, changes for 2014. Now, however, word is things have, for some reason, changed. What NASCAR eventually does with next year's Cup calendar seems up for review, with few sacred cows. Don't make any hotel reservations, but here are some possible moves:
-- Homestead might lose its spot as the season finale;
-- Phoenix might gain the final spot on the 2014 tour;
-- Sonoma could earn a spot in the playoffs, adding a California stop to the chase;
-- Road America, that picturesque road course at Elkhart Lake, Wis., an hour north of Milwaukee, could get a slot in the 2014 Cup schedule (even though NASCAR's Brian France earlier this year said he planned no new tracks on the tour next season);
-- how to fit a new track in the schedule? Dover could lose its late spring Cup weekend (keeping its early fall Cup date, in the chase), track boss Denis McGlynn, not unaccustomed to such speculation, would surely fight hard to keep both;
-- and -- hold your horses -- Darlington might even get its traditional Labor Day weekend Southern 500 back;
-- to fill that Mother's Day Saturday night slot, maybe a swap with Atlanta;
Of course after all this debate NASCAR might simply decide not to make any changes for 2014.(MikeMulhern.net), see the 2014 unofficial schedule page for a look at dates that have been

StandOnIt said:
Don't think it be a huge loss to ISC, they own the bat the ball and the ballpark. Give up one of their lowest rated 1.5's to a track that jackpots the TV ratings and the product is worth more.
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There we go, move them around, add and subtract and find out the best combination that pulls them in to watch.
 
Replace fall Charlotte with Vegas have the last 3 races be Sonoma,Phoenix and then Vegas
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Ratings are ratings. They can be up or they can be down. It doesn't change how much they get paid. Those contracts are signed, sealed, & delivered through what, 202?. The television money is what it is through then. It will only change once new contracts are signed. Back when these most recent contracts were negotiated, numbers were made public concerning the percentage of revenue from the gate vs. the television payout to each track. The gate was dwarfed by comparison to the television revenue. A loss of a track, whether it's ICS, SMI, or a private individual as the owner is a HUGE loss. Personally, I don't see any track dates being taken away outside of a privately owned track like Dover or Pocono. Then I might buy into it. I'd bet though that any attempt to do that would be tried out in court.
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not ta get in tha weeds on this.....but all contracts are basically "perform fer consideration" docs.
nascar has "performance clauses" in new fox/nbc $8.2 billion / 10 yr contract......startin 2015.
as well as current contract.

"you'll get us x,xxx,xxx viewers tuned in....fer $$$ ....average....per race" or....contract is void.

bruton / france tracks are a forest........dover / pocono....2 trees.

nascar's gotta keep puttin out new soprano shows.....that people watch. ....or party's over.
 
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