David Wilson was “disappointed”

I still think it's a yota publicity stunt. Sounds like yapping Wilson is mad because he didn't think of it first to me.

A NASCAR spokesperson confirmed to NBC Sports that the sanctioning body has worked with OEM partners and teams outside Chevy and Hendrick since the announcement to ensure the Garage 56 project is competitively balanced and also reflects a collaborative effort to raise the profile of NASCAR and its manufacturers.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Seat time being a big one. There's a testing ban in NASCAR and Chase and Kyle are about to get a whole lot of seat time. Even if it's modified, there are still things you can take over from this car and apply to the Cup cars. Just like there are things people learn in Super Late Model racing that they can apply to Late Model Stock racing.
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By that theory, there are plenty of other places to get seat time on a non-scheduled track in an unfamiliar car.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Seat time being a big one. There's a testing ban in NASCAR and Chase and Kyle are about to get a whole lot of seat time. Even if it's modified, there are still things you can take over from this car and apply to the Cup cars. Just like there are things people learn in Super Late Model racing that they can apply to Late Model Stock racing.
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seat time? Is NASCAR going to put LeMans on a future schedule I wasnt aware of ? If your worry is seat time then drivers that race in the Rolex 24 shouldnt be allowed to race during the Cup season ( Larson, Elliott and Kyle Busch all raced it a few years ago when the shift to more roadies started on the schedule) What are some of the things you fear that HMS will take from this effort and apply to Cup? Personally, I dont see the uproar over this. They're going to be racing two different type of vehicles and even if data is gained or when they change engines over in a few years dont you think other teams will ne privy to this information and have tests as well? and For the record I would still think this is a cool deal if Toyota (maybe I'd throw in a few snide remarks about family) or Ford would be doing this even though I am partial to Chevy/HMS/Larson/Elliott/Byron. I cant believe everyone on here thought this was a good idea a few months ago when this was announced and now that the TRD CEO is crying about it, the fear mongering has started.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Because the Chase Elliott Cult and HMS fans know it is. Hence why they're mad about transparency now.

I mean, if it's not an advantage in any way, shape or form, why are they mad about all manufacturers being allowed at the race now?
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Mreh, I've always acknowledged it wasn't fair.

What I am mad about is Chase has no chance whatsoever at Le Mans any more because Hendrick will never put the "good" parts on the car with TRD watching. :XXROFL:
 
Charlie Spencer said:
By that theory, there are plenty of other places to get seat time on a non-scheduled track in an unfamiliar car.
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A modified Next-Gen car is still a Next-Gen car and there's still stuff you can learn from it. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Dr_B_UNC said:
Mreh, I've always acknowledged it wasn't fair.
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You're about the only one and I give you credit for that.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
A modified Next-Gen car is still a Next-Gen car and there's still stuff you can learn from it.
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This has been my question since the announcement. Exactly how much will this car have in common with what NASCAR puts on the track? I thought I read Hendrick was starting with a completely different chassis.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
A modified Next-Gen car is still a Next-Gen car and there's still stuff you can learn from it. You're comparing apples and oranges.



You're about the only one and I give you credit for that.
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I dont think they will gain any advantage from running that car, they cant take anything substantial away from it with NASCAR single sourcing parts, its not like you can build your own spindle anymore.
 
Spotter22 said:
I dont think they will gain any advantage from running that car, they cant take anything substantial away from it with NASCAR single sourcing parts, its not like you can build your own spindle anymore.
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As we all should already know, the new car is similar to an IMSA car that races in the GT class. IMSA owned by Jim France along with Chevy who brings their experience with their active Corvette program are involved. Who else is setup for that kind of a LeMans effort?
Direct quote above from a Nascar spokesman said Toyota and Ford have been in the loop since the beginning. Whiny Wilson says otherwise.

I can't see much being learned from what they already know, the new car is pretty much a stretched IMSA V8 Corvette. The more lap time whine is ridiculous. With multiple drivers doing the race, at most a driver would have one more Nascar length road race mile wise than they had if they didn't race the LeMans.
 
StandOnIt said:
As we all should already know, the new car is similar to an IMSA car that races in the GT class. IMSA owned by Jim France along with Chevy who brings their experience with their active Corvette program are involved. Who else is setup for that kind of a LeMans effort?
Direct quote above from a Nascar spokesman said Toyota and Ford have been in the loop since the beginning. Whiny Wilson says otherwise.

I can't see much being learned from what they already know, the new car is pretty much a stretched IMSA V8 Corvette. The more lap time whine is ridiculous. With multiple drivers doing the race, at most a driver would have one more Nascar length road race mile wise than they had if they didn't race the LeMans.
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Not sure that just because NASCAR brought much of the chassis out of the Stone Age means it has much in common with a mid-engined Corvette. I think a lot of people really oversell the commonalities the Next Gen has in common with a modern GT car.

And not that it matters, but Corvette competes directly against a TRD-supported program in the same class…so it’s not really a matter of who has the capability to run the program. Roger Penske is going for the overall win next year and has bounced between various sports car series forever. It’s not like they’re not a capable outfit. As has been mentioned, HMS already has a business relationship with Jim France, and Jim went to them when he had the idea. Neither Chevy nor HMS really snookered anyone here.

I do wonder why they didn’t consider running the unbadged car they ran during testing last year and recruit personnel across the garage to work on it, but it doesn’t seem like much of an issue anymore.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Not sure that just because NASCAR brought much of the chassis out of the Stone Age means it has much in common with a mid-engined Corvette. I think a lot of people really oversell the commonalities the Next Gen has in common with a modern GT car.

And not that it matters, but Corvette competes directly against a TRD-supported program in the same class…so it’s not really a matter of who has the capability to run the program. Roger Penske is going for the overall win next year and has bounced between various sports car series forever. It’s not like they’re not a capable outfit. As has been mentioned, HMS already has a business relationship with Jim France, and Jim went to them when he had the idea. Neither Chevy nor HMS really snookered anyone here.

I do wonder why they didn’t consider running the unbadged car they ran during testing last year and recruit personnel across the garage to work on it, but it doesn’t seem like much of an issue anymore.
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I can't see much being learned from what they already know, the new car is pretty much a stretched IMSA V8 Corvette. The more lap time whine is ridiculous. With multiple drivers doing the race, at most a driver would have one more Nascar length road race mile wise than they had if they didn't race the LeMans.

In the C7R Vette the V8 engine is in the front. With the mid-engined Corvette a 6 cylinder engine is mounted mid ways in the chassis
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Seat time being a big one. There's a testing ban in NASCAR and Chase and Kyle are about to get a whole lot of seat time.
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So what if they just drove a Corvette at LeMans instead of the modified Next-Gen? Then they're still getting extra seat time. Is that a problem?
 
Whiskyb said:
All the noise of extra track time but when a cup driver drops down a series its ok
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Exactly. I think NASCAR should have kept Ford and Toyota in the loop that they were going to do this, but the seat time reason for being against it is BS. Chase Briscoe has run a GT4 Mustang to get road course experience to hone his skills. Kevin Harvick multiple times times over the years has run the Somona West Series race to get track time, as have other Cup drivers:

"Last season, Aric Almirola, William Byron, Daniel Suarez, Erik Jones and Alex Bowman participated in the event. The year prior, Kevin Harvick held off Will Rodgers for the win, while Suarez and Ryan Blaney were also in the field".
https://www.arcaracing.com/2019/06/...-course-experience-in-kn-west-race-at-sonoma/

If we're complaining about Cup drivers getting seat time in non-Cup regulation cars then we're getting on one very slippery slope here.
 
StandOnIt said:
I can't see much being learned from what they already know, the new car is pretty much a stretched IMSA V8 Corvette. The more lap time whine is ridiculous. With multiple drivers doing the race, at most a driver would have one more Nascar length road race mile wise than they had if they didn't race the LeMans.

In the C7R Vette the V8 engine is in the front. With the mid-engined Corvette a 6 cylinder engine is mounted mid ways in the chassis
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C8.R does not use a V6. The Ford GT was a V6 though
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
A modified Next-Gen car is still a Next-Gen car and there's still stuff you can learn from it. You're comparing apples and oranges.
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If it's hundreds of pounds lighter, has a different engine package for longevity, a different tire compound to survive the long stints, a larger fuel cell (so more weight transfer as the larger amount of fuel burns off through the stint), certainly will have different brake pads, and might even be a higher downforce trim, then how is *that* apples to apples? They aren't going to learn anything valuable that will transfer to the real NASCAR car unless NASCAR literally changes the rules to all the sudden run 30 gallon fuel cells and rocks for tires.
 
cheesepuffs said:
If it's hundreds of pounds lighter, has a different engine package for longevity, a different tire compound to survive the long stints, a larger fuel cell (so more weight transfer as the larger amount of fuel burns off through the stint), certainly will have different brake pads, and might even be a higher downforce trim, then how is *that* apples to apples? They aren't going to learn anything valuable that will transfer to the real NASCAR car unless NASCAR literally changes the rules to all the sudden run 30 gallon fuel cells and rocks for tires.
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Yeah "If" a lot of things we don't know yet. I'm sure we will know more in the coming weeks and months. They have a long way to go if they want to have lap times close to a GT car.
 
StandOnIt said:
Yeah "If" a lot of things we don't know yet. I'm sure we will know more in the coming weeks and months. They have a long way to go if they want to have lap times close to a GT car.
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Yeah, that WE don't know yet. So why are you speculating as if YOU know so already?

Who even says they care about having lap times close to a GT car??
 
cheesepuffs said:
By who?
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It was months ago, I'll see if I can find it. At any rate, comparable cars such as the Next gen with a V8 run in one of the GT classes if you are having a problem visualizing that. Garage 56 isn't a competitive class, but a car entered in LeMans sponsored by Nascar and Chevy isn't going to run speeds with the 4 bangers.
 
StandOnIt said:
It was months ago, I'll see if I can find it. At any rate, comparable cars such as the Next gen with a V8 run in one of the GT classes if you are having a problem visualizing that. Garage 56 isn't a competitive class, but a car entered in LeMans sponsored by Nascar and Chevy isn't going to run speeds with the 4 bangers.
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I know what Garage 56 is.

IMO you're overstating how similar the next-gen Cup car is to a GTE car.

What 4 bangers are you talking about? There won't be any four cylinder cars running the 24 Hours of LeMans against this HMS car.
 
cheesepuffs said:
I know what Garage 56 is.

IMO you're overstating how similar the next-gen Cup car is to a GTE car.

What 4 bangers are you talking about? There won't be any four cylinder cars running the 24 Hours of LeMans against this HMS car.
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If you knew what garage 56 was you would know there aren't any four bangers running against the next gen.
 
cheesepuffs said:
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You are the one who said there would be four bangers making speeds to compare the NASCAR entry to, not me.
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you have a reading comprehension prob bubba. Logic dictates the next gen isn't going to be running speeds that the 4 bangers do..I said RUNNING, not racing against.
 
StandOnIt said:
you have a reading comprehension prob bubba. Logic dictates the next gen isn't going to be running speeds that the 4 bangers do..I said RUNNING, not racing against.
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Hahaha

WHAT four bangers! There will be ZERO four cylinder cars on track during the entire 24 hours, regardless of class
 
Revman said:
Transparency was lost when the deal was cut. There has to be more to this. It makes no sense. All OEMs work together to develop and approve the Next Gen...and then this backdoor ****. I really don't get it.
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Whats wrong with the deal? What is wrong with whats being done?

Dude, there should be zero issues by fans at this juncture. Ford and Toyota have a seat at the table, great. Now, let GM/HMS/Goodyear work through the process.

I will say this, I do agree Toyota and Ford should be able to partake in the watching of the event. It should have been said from the jump, but I highly doubt anyone is going to get a true advantage. All OEMs should be able to send reps and watch how the event is run from beginning to end.

I still can't believe transparency is confused with crying or complaining.

I just want to be excited about a Cup car going to LeMans. Damn the drivers or manufactuer, its a great thing to be able to watch.
 
Kiante said:
Whats wrong with the deal? What is wrong with whats being done?

Dude, there should be zero issues by fans at this juncture. Ford and Toyota have a seat at the table, great. Now, let GM/HMS/Goodyear work through the process.

I will say this, I do agree Toyota and Ford should be able to partake in the watching of the event. It should have been said from the jump, but I highly doubt anyone is going to get a true advantage. All OEMs should be able to send reps and watch how the event is run from beginning to end.

I still can't believe transparency is confused with crying or complaining.

I just want to be excited about a Cup car going to LeMans. Damn the drivers or manufactuer, its a great thing to be able to watch.
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Very well said, to every point.

At the end of the day guys, us fans are going to get to watch a NASCAR-related entry running the 24 Hours of LeMans.

How can we not be excited about that? I can't wait
 
Kiante said:
Whats wrong with the deal? What is wrong with whats being done?

Dude, there should be zero issues by fans at this juncture. Ford and Toyota have a seat at the table, great. Now, let GM/HMS/Goodyear work through the process.

I will say this, I do agree Toyota and Ford should be able to partake in the watching of the event. It should have been said from the jump, but I highly doubt anyone is going to get a true advantage. All OEMs should be able to send reps and watch how the event is run from beginning to end.

I still can't believe transparency is confused with crying or complaining.

I just want to be excited about a Cup car going to LeMans. Damn the drivers or manufactuer, its a great thing to be able to watch.
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Yeah, that is in the article I posted. Nascar wants all of the OEM's present at the race if they want to come, said they all were in the loop from the start says Nascar. Wilson says different. Whatever. I hope they all show up, the car runs and finishes and it should look cool as hell on the track.
 
Where did Wilson say "its an advantage" in the article?

Transparency =/= Complaining

It just means if HMS has full-access in terms of everything going on, Ford and Toyota should be able to have it as well. Nothing nasty, nothing negative going on here.

Everyone has a seat at the table now, let's work from there.
 
Since a 24 hour race has several different drivers maybe they can compromise and allow drivers from other manufacturers?
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't think that is going to happen. Chevy/Hendrick are investing a whole lot of $$ and effort. It's their baby.
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I don't think it will either, just saying it could be a somewhat fair solution. But then you could also argue others should have to invest more in that case also.
 
hmmm298 said:
I don't think it will either, just saying it could be a somewhat fair solution. But then you could also argue others should have to invest more in that case also.
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Why don't they have every driver in Nascar drive it a lap. This is nonsense IMO, It's a France(IMSA) Hendrick Chevy effort, It won't have a Toyota fender a Ford grill and a Chevy hood. Wilson would be bitching he wants the right fender, better than the left one.
 
hmmm298 said:
Since a 24 hour race has several different drivers maybe they can compromise and allow drivers from other manufacturers?
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Won't happen. Toyota isn't going to want say Denny Hamlin behind a bowtie. Same with Ford, they're not going to put Joey Logano in a Camaro and dilute his endorsement of Ford
 
The upside for Toyota and Ford is that when NASCAR stock rises, it helps them all. Getting NASCAR some positive buzz around the globe is a very good thing for all invested in the sport.

Also it's been published that Jeff Gordon may be one of the drivers. If that does work out, then there isn't a single more recognizable driver (currently living and capable of driving) that could generate more positive interest in this car than Jeff Gordon can. Nobody that Ford or Toyota could put into a project like this comes close. So in terms of marketing effectiveness, this is the best case scenario.

If they get Jeff, Jimmie, and Larson or Chase (as has been discussed), that's 12 Cup championships combined in that seat (could be 13 by year's end, who knows). Ford or Toyota literally can't offer that.
 
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