Deegan update

StandOnIt said:
Not at all, you aren't following as usual. Takes money to move up. She has it.
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" as usual" Another personal shot. It doesn't take money to move up if you have a resume that commands attention and paying your way up the ladder doesn't fit the bill. Sooner or later the money will run out but your talent wont. AM, is taking her money like Tricon and Thorsport did, what she brings and gets paid wont be coming out of their pocket. If she didn't have money she would be hydro sliding on the river each weekend, weather permitting.
 
i dont think you guys understand how this works, yes she will pay to race. but iam sure she will get a percentage of what she brings as pay. so yes the team is not paying her,but she is not racing for free.:dunce:
 

She will get travel and salary from the sponsorship she brings, the purse will go to AM plus the majority of the sponsor money. If she has a decent agent she wont negotiate for an average 15-25th place purse money over a guaranteed percentage of the sponsorship she brought and get it upfront. So in summary, she will be paying herself...... Bud.
Talented drivers have leverage, bargaining power, ie wins top 5's etc.... 5 Top 10's in 69 races usually sends you back to working at Walmart in the electronics department. Bud.
 
acmerocket said:
i dont think you guys understand how this works, yes she will pay to race. but iam sure she will get a percentage of what she brings as pay. so yes the team is not paying her,but she is not racing for free.:dunce:
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I've got a pretty good handle on it
 
StandOnIt said:
See if you can understand this. With Ford technical to the team backing and solid sponsors lined up she moved up. She was on Race Hub today talking about it. Chad Knaus was interviewing her
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Efisher131 said:
We’re just voicing frustration that this is one of the few sports where you get better opportunities for being attractive, popular or rich than you do for getting results. Better drivers with less followers continue to flounder at local tracks or in bad equipment, while people with daddy’s money and pretty faces fill the good seats. You don’t have a problem with that? That’s fine. I want to watch the best possible drivers on the track, and that hasn’t been the case for a long time.
Look at how much of a joke some of these truck races have become because of bad drivers with money crashing every week. That’s not a good product to me.

Here’s to 100 pages because the results aren’t going to change.
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jaqua19 said:
Nothing he did in Busch justified the ride he got.

But everything he did in racing prior to the Busch series was good enough for Chevy. Yeah, he didn't do **** in the Busch series. But that HMS gig was signed before his rookie season was up. His prior relationship with Chevy, his off road talents, and his brief run with ASA are what made him attractive to Chevy cup teams imo, Gordon validating the talent, and Lowe's investment in Jimmie was icing on the cake.

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Jimmie was Herb Fishel's pet project. Herb saw Jimmie as a good looking young marketable raw talent, and engineered opportunities to get Jimmie stock car experience. He was promoted upwards based on potential and the fact that Chevy was backing him. He really was no different than what Ford is doing with Deegan, except it would seem his upside was WAY higher. Regardless, nothing he did at ANY level justified the ride he got if you are looking strictly at results. It was a leap of faith pushed along by the fact Cale Yarborough wanted to sign him, where he likely would have lasted a year and would have never been heard of again. Rick Hendrick basically bought a Powerball ticket and it hit. It was just as likely that Jimmie would have turned out to be another Jerry Nadeau or Brian Vickers. Talented, but not special. Compared to Jeff Gordon, Chase Elliott and William Byron, Jimmie was a HUGE shot in the dark, and I say that as someone who watched his career from day one in a stock car, and was rooting for him to succeed.
 
Spotter22 said:
She will get travel and salary from the sponsorship she brings, the purse will go to AM plus the majority of the sponsor money. If she has a decent agent she wont negotiate for an average 15-25th place purse money over a guaranteed percentage of the sponsorship she brought and get it upfront. So in summary, she will be paying herself...... Bud.
Talented drivers have leverage, bargaining power, ie wins top 5's etc.... 5 Top 10's in 69 races usually sends you back to working at Walmart in the electronics department. Bud.
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It doesn't appear to be the case lol, unless you can spell Xfinity series.
 
zevious said:
Good for her. I'm glad to see that she keeps pushing forward with her goals regardless of all of the negatively thrown her way both here and elsewhere.
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Ive watched/listed alot to her of late, and I mean her family has $$$$$ this is not about money.. She wants to win and wants to race. Its all her and her family knows.

Im excited to see what she ends up doing.
 
zevious said:
Good for her. I'm glad to see that she keeps pushing forward with her goals regardless of all of the negatively thrown her way both here and elsewhere.
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I agree with this post. There are people out there that still tries to keep oval racing a "Good ol' boys club," but that's obviously a failing business model. It's why NASCAR been expanding to other parts of the world and why they have the Drive for Diversity program. Hailie Deegan, Bubba Wallace, Daniel Suárez, etc. are just the beginning of NASCAR bringing diversity and inclusion into the sport. One of these days, NASCAR may even have a driver who's openly a part of the LGBTQIA+ community. Probably by the time I'm 80.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I agree with this post. There are people out there that still tries to keep oval racing a "Good ol' boys club," but that's obviously a failing business model. It's why NASCAR been expanding to other parts of the world and why they have the Drive for Diversity program. Hailie Deegan, Bubba Wallace, Daniel Suárez, etc. are just the beginning of NASCAR bringing diversity and inclusion into the sport. One of these days, NASCAR may even have a driver who's openly a part of the LGBTQIA+ community. Probably by the time I'm 80.
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Speedy - thanks for this. You need to post more.
 
Formerjackman said:
Jimmie was Herb Fishel's pet project. Herb saw Jimmie as a good looking young marketable raw talent, and engineered opportunities to get Jimmie stock car experience. He was promoted upwards based on potential and the fact that Chevy was backing him. He really was no different than what Ford is doing with Deegan, except it would seem his upside was WAY higher. Regardless, nothing he did at ANY level justified the ride he got if you are looking strictly at results. It was a leap of faith pushed along by the fact Cale Yarborough wanted to sign him, where he likely would have lasted a year and would have never been heard of again. Rick Hendrick basically bought a Powerball ticket and it hit. It was just as likely that Jimmie would have turned out to be another Jerry Nadeau or Brian Vickers. Talented, but not special. Compared to Jeff Gordon, Chase Elliott and William Byron, Jimmie was a HUGE shot in the dark, and I say that as someone who watched his career from day one in a stock car, and was rooting for him to succeed.
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The thing about the comparisons between JJ and Hailie ... Jimmie Johnson's floor was higher than Hailie Deegan's ceiling.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I agree with this post. There are people out there that still tries to keep oval racing a "Good ol' boys club," but that's obviously a failing business model. It's why NASCAR been expanding to other parts of the world and why they have the Drive for Diversity program. Hailie Deegan, Bubba Wallace, Daniel Suárez, etc. are just the beginning of NASCAR bringing diversity and inclusion into the sport. One of these days, NASCAR may even have a driver who's openly a part of the LGBTQIA+ community. Probably by the time I'm 80.
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I'm not one of them, I hope we have a female with enough talent to come win in the Cup Series.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I agree with this post. There are people out there that still tries to keep oval racing a "Good ol' boys club," but that's obviously a failing business model. It's why NASCAR been expanding to other parts of the world and why they have the Drive for Diversity program. Hailie Deegan, Bubba Wallace, Daniel Suárez, etc. are just the beginning of NASCAR bringing diversity and inclusion into the sport. One of these days, NASCAR may even have a driver who's openly a part of the LGBTQIA+ community. Probably by the time I'm 80.
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Disliking Hailie Deegan isn't misogyny or "The Good Ol' Boys Club" though.

For me, I'm frustrated because the hype surrounding Hailie Deegan, when she came into ARCA, was that she was going to win races and fight for championships. Her 2020 ARCA season was mediocre. Her Truck Series career has been nothing short of awful. And now, instead of hoping we have a woman who's going to come in and kick ass and take names, we've relegated expectations to, "well, as long as she has fun, looks good and finds sponsors, she's fine."

I genuinely believed Deegan had more talent than what she's shown so far. Most of us did at first.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The thing about the comparisons between JJ and Hailie ... Jimmie Johnson's floor was higher than Hailie Deegan's ceiling.
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Well, it certainly turned out that way, but I'm not sure ANYONE could be 100% sure of that in 1999. During the time Jimmie was getting his feet wet on pavement, they also brought along Ricky Johnson (no relation) who had a nearly identical background to Jimmie's, and his pavement career went NOWHERE. Hell, Casey Atwood received much more hype than Jimmie ever did, and when is the last time anyone even THOUGHT about him? Also, a thing about hype. Many times it's not the actual athlete doing the hyping, so I try not to hold it against the person just because other people (usually outsiders) have unrealistic expectations. I have thought from the start that Hailie had a CHANCE to be a serviceable driver in NASCAR at some level, and she may do that yet. If you thought she was going to be a Cup champion, that's on YOU, not HER.
 
Formerjackman said:
I have thought from the start that Hailie had a CHANCE to be a serviceable driver in NASCAR at some level, and she may do that yet. If you thought she was going to be a Cup champion, that's on YOU, not HER.
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The talk surrounding Deegan after her three ARCA West Championships was that she'd be winning races and contending for championships. That was the entire expectation when this experiment began.

She was literally billed as an anti-Danica, a racecar driver who happened to be an attractive woman.z

Nobody, literally not a soul, thought she would perform this badly. EVERYBODY thought she was going to be, at a minimum, better than Danica.

"On par with Danica Patrick" was Hailie Deegan's floor back in 2020. Now, that's the ceiling. And if you call that out, you're a misogynist.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Disliking Hailie Deegan isn't misogyny or "The Good Ol' Boys Club" though.

For me, I'm frustrated because the hype surrounding Hailie Deegan, when she came into ARCA, was that she was going to win races and fight for championships. Her 2020 ARCA season was mediocre. Her Truck Series career has been nothing short of awful. And now, instead of hoping we have a woman who's going to come in and kick ass and take names, we've relegated expectations to, "well, as long as she has fun, looks good and finds sponsors, she's fine."

I genuinely believed Deegan had more talent than what she's shown so far. Most of us did at first.
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But she has a million followers Andy!!
 
SpeedPagan said:
I agree with this post. There are people out there that still tries to keep oval racing a "Good ol' boys club," but that's obviously a failing business model. It's why NASCAR been expanding to other parts of the world and why they have the Drive for Diversity program. Hailie Deegan, Bubba Wallace, Daniel Suárez, etc. are just the beginning of NASCAR bringing diversity and inclusion into the sport. One of these days, NASCAR may even have a driver who's openly a part of the LGBTQIA+ community. Probably by the time I'm 80.
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Don't say those dem dare initials round here ya hear? Racin is fer men only or the "right" kind of wooman. She has to have arms strong enough to hoss that car around with power steerin and be able to take the heat in a cool suit like a gol durn man.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The talk surrounding Deegan after her three ARCA West Championships was that she'd be winning races and contending for championships. That was the entire expectation when this experiment began.

She was literally billed as an anti-Danica, a racecar driver who happened to be an attractive woman.z

Nobody, literally not a soul, thought she would perform this badly. EVERYBODY thought she was going to be, at a minimum, better than Danica.
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I know the results have not been there - and they need to be.

However, as much of a danica backer as I am, I feel in my heart of hearts that Deegan just wants to win races. Racing is what she knows, its what her famnily knows.

Patrick may have had more talent than Deegan. The desire is what what warms me to Deegan however. Her energy, her upbeat attitude. Danica would get quote mad when things didnt happen the way she wanted.

I remember one race when she flew into basically a rage when she thought her team may have given her a car that was down on HP on purpose.
 
DanicaFreak said:
I know the results have not been there - and they need to be.

However, as much of a danica backer as I am, I feel in my heart of hearts that Deegan just wants to win races. Racing is what she knows, its what her famnily knows.

Patrick may have had more talent than Deegan. The desire is what what warms me to Deegan however. Her energy, her upbeat attitude. Danica would get quote mad when things didnt happen the way she wanted.

I remember one race when she flew into basically a rage when she thought her team may have given her a car that was down on HP on purpose.
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So glad you can walk down memory lane with us.
 
Spotter22 said:
But she has a million followers Andy!!
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Here, at least act like you know what you are talking about.

Deegan boasts one of the biggest social-media followings in NASCAR with 3.2 million followers on TikTok, 1.4 million followers on Instagram and 566,000 subscribers to her YouTube channel
 
StandOnIt said:
Here, at least act like you know what you are talking about.

Deegan boasts one of the biggest social-media followings in NASCAR with 3.2 million followers on TikTok, 1.4 million followers on Instagram and 566,000 subscribers to her YouTube channel
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I wonder how many she’d have if she was able to match her team mates on track?
 
aunty dive said:
I wonder how many she’d have if she was able to match her team mates on track?
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Sponsors don't care apparently. Plenty of broke ass truck drivers with no juice are shaking their heads just like the clown car here is lol. Wha what a happened? Whats she doin in Xfinity, wa I'm a better driver than she is? Anybody got a ride for my broke ass?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Disliking Hailie Deegan isn't misogyny or "The Good Ol' Boys Club" though.

For me, I'm frustrated because the hype surrounding Hailie Deegan, when she came into ARCA, was that she was going to win races and fight for championships. Her 2020 ARCA season was mediocre. Her Truck Series career has been nothing short of awful. And now, instead of hoping we have a woman who's going to come in and kick ass and take names, we've relegated expectations to, "well, as long as she has fun, looks good and finds sponsors, she's fine."

I genuinely believed Deegan had more talent than what she's shown so far. Most of us did at first.
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Did she come into NASCAR and say she was going to be the next high level driver? You are upset because she doesn’t live up to your standards. Shoot an email to Ford and tell them that and see how it works out for you. You act like Nascar racing is easy. I have a strong feeling it’s not. She may never be a top contender on the Nascar circuit but than maybe she will. I’m not giving up on her yet.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The talk surrounding Deegan after her three ARCA West Championships was that she'd be winning races and contending for championships. That was the entire expectation when this experiment began.

She was literally billed as an anti-Danica, a racecar driver who happened to be an attractive woman.z

Nobody, literally not a soul, thought she would perform this badly. EVERYBODY thought she was going to be, at a minimum, better than Danica.

"On par with Danica Patrick" was Hailie Deegan's floor back in 2020. Now, that's the ceiling. And if you call that out, you're a misogynist.
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Maybe that's what all of you experts thought, but I certainly didn't. I was hopeful that she could excel, but I never once thought she was a sure thing.
 
Formerjackman said:
Maybe that's what all of you experts thought, but I certainly didn't. I was hopeful that she could excel, but I never once thought she was a sure thing.
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I believe she would have been outstanding at racing bulldozers.
 
I was taught as a wee lad that expectations are a pre determined resentment. This stream is full of them.
I was glad Deegan got to the truck level, I said from day one it wasn't a requirement that she win and guess what? It hasn't been. But the constant clown car for 60+ pages has been a surprise lol. They just keep saying the same things over and over lol.
 
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What bothers me is that if you look through the comments on deegans facebook page, that her fans seem to be simps. Infact on IG, some posters have started posting replies to some members "@nascarhornypolice" if they see it.

Didnt see this with Danica or maybe I was blind to it.

Also saw it with Decker.

For my part, Ive said it before - Id like to see my girls have a hero who is like them to look up to in racing. My youngest already likes Deegan. Shes 8.

Hmm how much for that gokart? LOL
 
Nitro Dude said:
I hope Deegan eventually becomes a top level driver and has many years of success. But if she doesn’t I will not be upset because I don’t have any expectations and I don’t hold her responsible to be the next big thing in Nascar.
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She is pulling in more than her share of the fans, She has been the most popular driver for a number of years in the trucks. Nascar needs more women in the top 3 series of the sport period, it sets the sport apart from most of the others out there. There are some hot shots in the dirt ranks that have potential. But as they say, it takes money and a following to get over the hump.
 
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