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BD, those race cars on the mall, the ones right beside the horsey's you drop a quarter in, don't count.
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BD, those race cars on the mall, the ones right beside the horsey's you drop a quarter in, don't count.
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BigdaddyQH
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They always place the blame on the drivers. What the hell does Nascar expect? The drivers to go out there and give hand signals everytime they switch lanes? Drivers go out to win. Blame the boxes that they run and the restrictor plates. How many drivers have said that. Martin, Junior, Edwards, and many others know that as long as Nascar continues with this madness, wrecks like we saw yesterday are going to happen. So Menzer says that changes are needed. What changes? All of us can write an article, citing a few quotes and previous wrecks, and say that changes are needed. The question is what changes? What do you change? Are you going to slow the cars down any more? Are you going to use bigger restrictor plates, which are the cause of all this to begin with? Are you going to leave the first 10 rows at the track empty? Just what changes are we talking about?
At the press conference, Ryan was in love with the Earnhardt bar because of that tire/windshield meeting.
I'd have to agree with him, too. Even though he still lost part of his roof where it meets the windshield...(not sure if it was a much as edwards lost, but i know he lost some)
If he went below he would of got black flaged or lost more places for slowing down. Blocking is a jerk move and Brad stood his ground. Brad done nothing wrong.
*Nascar droped the ball on the yellow line rule with the 11 and 83.
*Matt K for starting the 1st big one. That could of killed someone the 33 hot the hard but the 71 hit harder (notced no one said anything about that one!)
Any track is unsafe for drivers and spectators when you get right down to it.
The best thing that could be down to Talladega is the ONE thing that will NOT be done -- lower the banking.
The next thing --- take out the first 20 rows.
The best thing that could be down to Talladega is the ONE thing that will NOT be done -- lower the banking.
The next thing --- take out the first 20 rows.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
I think all this could and would happen without plates. Most cars are have been so equal, that you would have at least 30 cars in a pack drafting anyways.
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Digger
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CBS: Tear down Talladega
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/sportsline/main11680165.shtml
CBS News said:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/sportsline/main11680165.shtml
That's what IRL did after Kenny's accident. I think it's a good idea.
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Eagle1
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I would be too TRL! I was very worried for Ryan during that wreck.
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Digger
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See the CBS thread I just posted. Seems as though Pete Pistone of CBS Sports, who has been around the sport longer than most of us have, agrees with you.
Yea i saw Mark, Gilly, and Bowyer all took head-on shots at speed
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Digger
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Might want to take a listen to what this guy has to say. He's been around this sport for a long time.
http://www.cbssports.com/columns/writers/pistone/bio
http://www.cbssports.com/columns/writers/pistone/bio
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Eagle1
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They're just PO'd cause the don't cover it.
I sure am glad NASCAR don't jump and react to all the animals trying to run the zoo.
I sure am glad NASCAR don't jump and react to all the animals trying to run the zoo.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
Sorry, Lappy I have to dissagree, Matt did not "start" it. The 24 and the 42 made it 4 wide. They are at fault if anyone is to blame. the cars move around too much to do that. I think most of us think it was a racing deal.
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Digger
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He has a point.
Less banking = less speed in the corners = no wide open racing = no restrictor plate.
The racing will be worse than Fontana and Indianapolis, but they won't have the big packs.
I love the side my side 3-4 wide. It's exciting. I love going to dega. If ya don't got the balls to do it stay in the motorhome
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Eagle1
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Ones opinion of another persons comments and ideas all depend on if the statements agree with your attitude or disagrees.
You think he has great ideas and probably think he's brilliant mainly because he's singing your song.
Me ......?? I don't think he can hold a tune.
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Digger
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They put the plates on because of speeds over 200mph (like what we saw yesterday) and because of Bobby Allison's wreck that looked very similar to the one yesterday.
I say flatten the tracks and pull the plates off.
“If you’re not a race driver, stay the hell home. — Don’t come here and grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if you’ve got feathers on your legs or butt. — Put a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won’t climb up there and eat that candy ass.” ~ Dale Earnhardt
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Digger
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The fans love the plate racing because they're not the ones who are fixing up the cars and working extra hours in the body shop.
Andy the quote you posted basicly told people like you and your CBS buddy to shut the hell up!
I kind of like flater dirt tracks. But paved I like banking. Ive not drove a true high banked track in a few years none around here run my class. The race would suck monkey if they take out the banking at dega, tona and since we are at it cut Bristol down so nothing can happan there. It bugs me to no end people that "race from the stands/tv/any where but the car! It's a total differnt world then what you see. I'm ss, eagel. Will agree with that.
I kind of like flater dirt tracks. But paved I like banking. Ive not drove a true high banked track in a few years none around here run my class. The race would suck monkey if they take out the banking at dega, tona and since we are at it cut Bristol down so nothing can happan there. It bugs me to no end people that "race from the stands/tv/any where but the car! It's a total differnt world then what you see. I'm ss, eagel. Will agree with that.
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SST55
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I used to love hearing "why didn't you go low,high, over,under, around etc" when pulling into the pits.
Told one owner to get his azz in and when he came back and I'd tell him what he did wrong, he never did take me up on it.
Sure looks different with a beer in your hand from the safety of the stands,,,,,
"why didn't you go low,high, over,under, around etc" when pulling into the pits. Told one owner to get his azz in and when he came back and I'd tell him what he did wrong, he never did take me up on it.
Sure looks different with a beer in your hand from the safety of the stands,,,,,
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BigdaddyQH
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Have any of you people actually driven a race car at Talladega? Probably not. Why don't you ask people who have driven cars there about the track, instead of giving us your expert opinion derived from sitting in the stands. CBS is right on with this article. It is obvious that Nascar can not restrict the cars any more. They are boxes all ready. They have restricted the engines to a point where they can not longer do it. Bottom line. I HAVE driven a stock car at Talladega. The car drives you. When you are in a huge pack, you are totally helpless as a driver. The slightest wiggle by any car in the pack can set off a huge chain reaction wreck, and you, as a driver, can do nothing to avoid it. If you can not make the cars any safer, you have to work on the tracks. Now if Nascar would use their brains (asuming that they have any to begin with) they would simply cut down the size of the engines and make other corrections that can slow these cars down without the use of a restrictor plate, but it appears that they will not do that. So in order to guarantee safety, I guess the next step is to flatten out the track. I do not know what else they can do.
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Eagle1
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The fans love the plate racing because they're not the ones who are fixing up the cars and working extra hours in the body shop.
What ever you say.
Is that your assumption as to why I disagree?
I figure it must be because it really has no other point here except to try and diminish someone else's opinion.
Must be wonderful to know what everyone feels and thinks, and of course notice my above post and the fact that again your assumption of how people are feeling and thinking takes a very negative tone because it disagrees with your opinion.
You are entitled to your own opinion, that's fine but so am I and anyone else that disagrees. Is it really necessary to respond to everyones opinion and belittle them when they don't agree?
The fact is I hate RP racing, but that's MY opinion but I would never try and force everyone else to have to comply to my feelings.
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Eagle1
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OMG just let us all bow down to this total expert that has all the answers but yet know one knows or gives a good crap who you are.
Again another horses butt that is so in love with his own opinions that no one else is allowed to speak unless of course you agree,
Read my first post here ......... I've never heard anyone sing as off tune as you. Maybe you should go take a few more lessons and let the ones here that really do have some knowledge and understanding of the sport talk.
VaDirt
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As many people gripe about Nascar's knee-jerk reaction, I think there's a knee-jerk reaction going on here, and you're all pointing the the Edwards crash as the problem behind it all.
I hear many people saying to take off the plate, but face it, there were only 2 pairs of cars involved in that melee, not a whole pack. So using that crash as an excuse to get of the plates doesn't even follow suit.
Now think about what would have happened yesterday had there been no plate. Think of Edwards car going over 220 or so at that part of the race track, and the devestation that would have likely ensued.
If there's one thing that needs to be done, it's for the drivers to change their mindset, and stop trying to block someone making a pass. Bottom line, cut and dry, blocking is what caused that mess. In fact, that's what caused the fatefull day back in Daytona in 2001.
I hear many people saying to take off the plate, but face it, there were only 2 pairs of cars involved in that melee, not a whole pack. So using that crash as an excuse to get of the plates doesn't even follow suit.
Now think about what would have happened yesterday had there been no plate. Think of Edwards car going over 220 or so at that part of the race track, and the devestation that would have likely ensued.
If there's one thing that needs to be done, it's for the drivers to change their mindset, and stop trying to block someone making a pass. Bottom line, cut and dry, blocking is what caused that mess. In fact, that's what caused the fatefull day back in Daytona in 2001.
kelloggs5TLfan
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Dear Mom.
I apologize if I ever acted like I knew it all. I'm sorry.
I apologize to tkj's mom as well.
I apologize if I ever acted like I knew it all. I'm sorry.
I apologize to tkj's mom as well.
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If the problem you want to address is the fans possibly getting hurt in the stands then would'nt it be cheaper to just not sell the 1st 10 rows. Block them off and maybe put some sort of netting or tarp there to catch and hold whatever makes it over the fence. Judging by the attendance yesterday you could still fit in the same number of fans...
On a side note if this were a baseball that went over the fence the fans that caught it keep it. But in Nascar they have to give it back. Hardly seems fair to me...
On a side note if this were a baseball that went over the fence the fans that caught it keep it. But in Nascar they have to give it back. Hardly seems fair to me...
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Eagle1
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Now in MY opinion we have a winner here
Of course as I stated in another post, that I think you're brilliant because I couldn't agree more with your opinion.
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WNY24Fan
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They actually replayed it to see if Jeff came down on Matt and he didn't. Matt moved up on him. His spotter is at fault if he couldn't tell.
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Guido
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Bingo!
The cars are basically equal. If you lower the horsepower they are still going to be running in packs.
The track was built when cars were doing 180 mph and under. I could be wrong about that as I have not taken the time to research the speeds back then. Needless to say, it was less than what it is now. There were all levels of body shaping and horsepower and thus there was less number of cars in drafting packs.
I don't know what the answer is to the problem. The COT car only makes it worse because the cars are so equal. Other than putting 4 cylinder engines in them to reduce the speed, there isn't much that can be done.
Reducing the banking can help a little but the long straightaways will have them coming into the turns faster than they can handle them. So I believe reduced banking will just add to more wrecks in another part of the track.
VaDirt
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Probably one of the best solutions I've read.
barelypure
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Thank you sir. I try not to go all knee jerk reactions because something untoward happened. I suppose you could put the fence up higher as well.
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WNY24Fan
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Exactly. Ever read the back of your ticket? YOU assume the risk for attending the race.
It couldn't hurt to move the fans back more.
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basscatcher89
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Since the car flying into the catch fense like carl did has only happened a couple times in several years do you folks think that people are reacting this way because now they realize it can happen? or do they not want to look at how many times it has actually happened?
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WNY24Fan
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Dear Mom.
I apologize if I ever acted like I knew it all. I'm sorry.
I apologize to tkj's mom as well.
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WNY24Fan
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BigdaddyQH
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They are reacting because it looked so spectacular. Now someone suggested that they simply block the first 10 rows of seats at the track. Maybe that is a good solution. I do not know how far up the stands the debris off of Edwards car flew, but I am sure that the Talladega officials do. Unfortunately, while this may solve the safety issues for the fan, it does nothing to solve the safety issue for the driver, or the fact that restrictor plate racing is BORING and depends on the possibility of a major wreck to get anyone to watch it.
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Guido
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If he had not come across the hood of Newman, the car would have probably settled back down again and at the worst, barrelrolled or flipped like on Saturdays race.
I don't believe that Carl would have been launched into the catch fence had he not going over the top of Newman.
Hard to predict what may happen in all types of conditions. But I do believe that the flaps and venting worked well overall and do so in most wrecks