Dread Johnson win

Nascar rigged it for Johnson about like the government rigged up AIDS for population control.
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as for dale sr, if you went back and watched his races, people moved out of his way, if you didn't he would move you, so i don't think he would get away with that today. but also i never seen him give up, no matter how crashed his car was, if it would go in gear, it was going around the track, and if it wouldn't go in gear, it was worked on till it was, then it went back on track. as far as petty all the sr. fans cried he had far superior motors and backing. now jimmie has took wrecked cars and won and judging by some of his wins, he seems to have had some superior motors. i don't recall any race where jimmy raced dirty, sure i think he got some caution help and as his fans call it grey area help. but those 3 and i add gordon in also as the 4 most influential figures in nascar to date.
 
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SpeedPagan said:
As far as I could tell, The Chase came about because either A) Nextel (at the time) wanted something that separated itself from the previous sponsor of the series, Winston. So they came up with a play-off system to differentiate between the old era and the new era. Or B ) It was created after Matt Kenseth won the Championship in 2003 with just one win. Jimmie Johnson didn't start his five times streak til 2006. He started racing for Hendricks in 2002.

So....the whole notion that The Chase was created so that Johnson could win Six Championship is just Ludicrous.
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i do think the kenseth just one race win didn't sit well with anyone other than his team and fans. but dillon winning nationwide championship with no win was a complete joke to me.
 
SpeedPagan said:
As far as I could tell, The Chase came about because either A) Nextel (at the time) wanted something that separated itself from the previous sponsor of the series, Winston. So they came up with a play-off system to differentiate between the old era and the new era. Or B ) It was created after Matt Kenseth won the Championship in 2003 with just one win. Jimmie Johnson didn't start his five times streak til 2006. He started racing for Hendricks in 2002.

So....the whole notion that The Chase was created so that Johnson could win Six Championship is just Ludicrous.
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Agreed.

If NASCAR was gonna purposely rig their championship system so that someone could win 6 and possibly more championships, why in the world would their chosen one be Jimmie Johnson when they have the ever popular money making machine that is Dale Earnhardt Jr.?
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Agreed.

If NASCAR was gonna purposely rig their championship system so that someone could win 6 and possibly more championships, why in the world would their chosen one be Jimmie Johnson when they have the ever popular money making machine that is Dale Earnhardt Jr.?
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Because Dale can't win races on his own no matter what?
Just saying :D
 
pudge said:
as for dale sr, if you went back and watched his races, people moved out of his way, if you didn't he would move you, so i don't think he would get away with that today. but also i never seen him give up, no matter how crashed his car was, if it would go in gear, it was going around the track, and if it wouldn't go in gear, it was worked on till it was, then it went back on track. as far as petty all the sr. fans cried he had far superior motors and backing. now jimmie has took wrecked cars and won and judging by some of his wins, he seems to have had some superior motors. i don't recall any race where jimmy raced dirty, sure i think he got some caution help and as his fans call it grey area help. but those 3 and i add gordon in also as the 4 most influential figures in nascar to date.
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If you have been to any of the museums dedicated to nascar history you can easily see that Petty's cars were ages ahead of his competition. The fit and finish of his cars alone shows how superior his cars were.
 
first i don't really think it's rigged for johnson, but nothing has to be rigged for junior, not winning wouldn't sway his fans away.
 
John c said:
If you have been to any of the museums dedicated to nascar history you can easily see that Petty's cars were ages ahead of his competition. The fit and finish of his cars alone shows how superior his cars were.
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he was still a dang good wheelman, and to me i believe nascar would never made it to wheres it at today if not for him. petty brought the fans to the tracks back then
 
pudge said:
he was still a dang good wheelman, and to me i believe nascar would never made it to wheres it at today if not for him. petty brought the fans to the tracks back then
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Absolutely, 100% agree!
 
blanston said:
Nascar rigged it for Johnson about like the government rigged up AIDS for population control.
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BobbyFord said:
Because Dale can't win races on his own no matter what?
Just saying :D
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Hardy har har. You're just jealous because my drivers have won more races than yours have this year. And I mean Cup races, not Nationwide or Truck races. ;)

(Nevermind the fact that I probably have more favorite drivers than you do. LOL.)

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LOL. He has to be joking - blanston definitely comes across as one of the more level headed, sane folks on this forum.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Hardy har har. You're just jealous because my drivers have won more races than yours have this year. And I mean Cup races, not Nationwide or Truck races. ;)

(Nevermind the fact that I probably have more favorite drivers than you do. LOL.)...
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Not. :D
My AS does not allow me to live in fantasy scenarios. Logic is all that I can see. Simple logic.
 
SpeedPagan said:
It was created after Matt Kenseth won the Championship in 2003 with just one win.
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1 win, 11 top 5s, 25 top 10s, 2 DNFs = Championship effort. Scored more points than anyone else in the season and he won the championship. Nobody else did better.

I will NEVER understand why NASCAR used this as a launching point to design a whole new system, that has unfortunately dragged ratings down. You cant win 6 races and DNF in 15 more and expect to win the championship... oh well I guess you can now :bsflag:
 
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Mr. Gregory said:
Agreed.

If NASCAR was gonna purposely rig their championship system so that someone could win 6 and possibly more championships, why in the world would their chosen one be Jimmie Johnson when they have the ever popular money making machine that is Dale Earnhardt Jr.?
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Because he already brings in enough money from the necks who have been around the sport for as long as they can remember. Jimmie entered NASCAR at a time when it was booming and they were trying to appeal to and expand into more locales (Vegas, Fontana, etc.), so a clean California kid winning a lot would (supposedly) help out.

Not that I believe it was setup specifically for Jimmie, but that would be the reasoning.
 
I blame Roger Penske for the Chase. Remember Newman in the #12 won 8 races in Kenseth's one win year and I remember Penske bitching to the press about a points system where you could win 1 race and beat out a guy who won 8 races for the championship.

Like a month later, the Chase was announced.
 
DanicaFreak said:
I dunno...this is where I take issue. I wish Dale sr would have been able to race JJ in Cup.
SR had personality and moxie. If you can fault JJ with anything its lack of moxie.
To me, SR and Petty > johnson.

Sometimes with JJ find myself likening him to Data on star trek...he could perform the perfect
Symphony, correct to down to the very minute details. But it would lack feeling, lack a personality as it were. To me, thats Jimmies racing. Perfect in its execution but it seems to lack a certain feeling.

Maybe Im just a romantic, but I liked SR and the personality of the old days. Maybe thats why Uncle harv and smoke appeal to me. Patrick is open and honest as well and shows emotion too. I know Johnson shows emotion but he just lacks something for me.
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Imo all of the artistic value is in the driving. If a driver refused to grant interviews, juggle, and all of the other pRimming I wouldn't care or miss the crap. They aleady spend enough time worrying about non racing superficial crap imo.

Most of the weely raceday shows are saturated with the garbage. They would rather cover how many weekly BMs a cup driver usually has then providing updates on other racing. Those type of programs used to inform folks of who was winning modified, world of outlaws, late models etc .
 
Greg said:
Imo all of the artistic value is in the driving. If a driver refused to grant interviews, juggle, and all of the other pRimming I wouldn't care or miss the crap. They aleady spend enough time worrying about non racing superficial crap imo.

Most of the weely raceday shows are saturated with the garbage. They would rather cover how many weekly BMs a cup driver usually has then providing updates on other racing. Those type of programs used to inform folks of who was winning modified, world of outlaws, late models etc .
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Good point...I guess its his style of driving thats not my cup of tea...Can you imagine jimmie getting down and dirty in the trenches like Dale E? or Getting excited like uncle harv or tony? Its just I do not find him exciting...hes a driving genius but not exciting to me is all
 
Watching probably the greatest driver in the world right now win a race doesn't bother me like it seems to rankle some around here. Sorry but being an old timer and I do like Petty, but he didn't even come close to the competition that Johnson has had to deal with for his six championships and he has done it clean and with style. I guess if you were affixed to Earnhardt Sr., it was ok to watch him punt somebody out of the way, I liked him when he raced clean. It is a hell of a lot harder to pass somebody clean than to boot em in the middle of a corner.
 
KevinWI said:
I blame Roger Penske for the Chase. Remember Newman in the #12 won 8 races in Kenseth's one win year and I remember Penske bitching to the press about a points system where you could win 1 race and beat out a guy who won 8 races for the championship.

Like a month later, the Chase was announced.
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Matt Kenseth = 1 win, 11 top 5s, 25 top 10s, avgfin 10.2, 2 DNF
Ryan Newman = 8 wins, 17 top 5s, 22 top 10s, avgfin 13.9, 8 DNF

Ryan has more wins but he as 8 DNFs. Killed him for points. Matt had the better season for points, not wins.
 
I see many points but I wish Jimmie would race like Big E if he dominated. I just like when others beside him win and it gives a variety
 
pudge said:
myself i think brian wanted the attention that bill france got...he's the man in charge now, i'm sure he thought it would turn into a thing of beauty and not a pile of
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He did say earlier this year he wanted to create his own legacy.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Matt Kenseth = 1 win, 11 top 5s, 25 top 10s, avgfin 10.2, 2 DNF
Ryan Newman = 8 wins, 17 top 5s, 22 top 10s, avgfin 13.9, 8 DNF

Ryan has more wins but he as 8 DNFs. Killed him for points. Matt had the better season for points, not wins.
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Don't tell me, get in a DeLorean and tell 2003 Roger Penske.
 
DanicaFreak said:
Can you imagine jimmie getting down and dirty in the trenches like Dale E?
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this is what i think jeff gordon changed in the sport, and also paying pit crews big money, and people in dress clothes attending races
 
DanicaFreak said:
Good point...I guess its his style of driving thats not my cup of tea...Can you imagine jimmie getting down and dirty in the trenches like Dale E? or Getting excited like uncle harv or tony? Its just I do not find him exciting...hes a driving genius but not exciting to me is all
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To me that his brilliance. His idea of getting even is winning. He doesn't give you theatrics like an angry Kyle wanting to spin Clint today.

I am a bigger fan of Harvick, but Jimmie doesn't get hot headed like Kevin either. I see that as their flaws not JJs and he owes no apologies imo.

I hope Kevin wins the title this year, I think for much of his career he has been better than his equipment.
But I think he could learn a lot from JJ , and become even better.

And I think Dale E was more all buisness on the track as well. He was rougher but he had a lot of mental strength.

What some may think of as personality is a weakness. One other example is Brads self absorded personia since winning the title, and he doesn't put together as many complete races as a result.
 
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