Dread Johnson win

it seems to me that after he shut down his nationwide team harvick's attitude went to crap. and when he made fun of joe nemechek mother for wearing the army uniform i lost respect for him
 
pudge said:
it seems to me that after he shut down his nationwide team harvick's attitude went to crap. and when he made fun of joe nemechek mother for wearing the army uniform i lost respect for him
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Ive never really rooted for him since he beat Gordon by a millimeter peter at Atlanta. Total wtf rewind moment
 
Wow this thread is interesting. I, and I did say I, the 48 team is one of the reasons NA$CAR is loosing ratings. I have no proof of this other than my own viewing habits. IMO the 48 team sandbags the 1st half of the season every year then when one of the commentators, make the comment the 48 team is loosing it's grip in NA$CAR the very next race the 48 team wins several races and gets into the stupid case where they dominate. I myself think one race team winning all the races (championships) is boring so I turn off watching that racing series I did this the last 2 years with F1. Why should I waste my time watching a race series when I already know who's going to win all the races. And I know there's a chance some may have the same feeling as I do. The 48 team dominating the race today made me turn this race off. I switched over to the IndyCar race.
 
BobbyFord said:
You are entitled to your own opinion. I wouldn't expect less from a true JJ fan. I'm not a JJ fan and I'm not so easily influenced. I respect your position even though I believe it is BS. :D
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You'd be cool with it if KyBu was the 5 time champ ;) Same goes for everybody else's driver.
 
blue92 said:
Wow this thread is interesting. I, and I did say I, the 48 team is one of the reasons NA$CAR is loosing ratings. I have no proof of this other than my own viewing habits. IMO the 48 team sandbags the 1st half of the season every year then when one of the commentators, make the comment the 48 team is loosing it's grip in NA$CAR the very next race the 48 team wins several races and gets into the stupid case where they dominate. I myself think one race team winning all the races (championships) is boring so I turn off watching that racing series I did this the last 2 years with F1. Why should I waste my time watching a race series when I already know who's going to win all the races. And I know there's a chance some may have the same feeling as I do. The 48 team dominating the race today made me turn this race off. I switched over to the IndyCar race.
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Are you saying you wouldn't get bored watching Petty win 200?
 
Let me get this straight, because Jimmie can beat you clean any day, any time or any place it's a set up???? So, if Jimmie went out and played old man E'hardt he be a cool guy because he can wreck you out better than everyone else so that's good?????? Hate to bring you the truth but old man E'hardt couldn't hold a candle up to Jimmie not only as a driver but as a person of values. Snake in the grass comes to mind thinking of the old man.
 
StandOnIt said:
Watching probably the greatest driver in the world right now win a race doesn't bother me like it seems to rankle some around here. Sorry but being an old timer and I do like Petty, but he didn't even come close to the competition that Johnson has had to deal with for his six championships and he has done it clean and with style. I guess if you were affixed to Earnhardt Sr., it was ok to watch him punt somebody out of the way, I liked him when he raced clean. It is a hell of a lot harder to pass somebody clean than to boot em in the middle of a corner.
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Greatest driver in the world? Lets not get carried away. Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso, and Kimi Raikkonen all are much better talents, probably vettel too. Larson and the busch bros are more talented then Jimmie as well, they don't have as good of teams or the equipment to hang with him every week. The 48 is just in another zip code at certain points of the year, and when they unload fastest there is no point in watching. Not taking anything away from Jimmie he's a great driver but his cars are far superior
 
I will root for any driver that keeps Kenseth or Harvick from winning the cup.............................. GO 48 :D
 
DaBiff1618 said:
Greatest driver in the world? Lets not get carried away. Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso, and Kimi Raikkonen all are much better talents, probably vettel too. Larson and the busch bros are more talented then Jimmie as well, they don't have as good of teams or the equipment to hang with him every week. The 48 is just in another zip code at certain points of the year, and when they unload fastest there is no point in watching. Not taking anything away from Jimmie he's a great driver but his cars are far superior
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That's it, Jimmie is using a super double secrete fuel that no one else has!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Greg said:
To me that his brilliance. His idea of getting even is winning. He doesn't give you theatrics like an angry Kyle wanting to spin Clint today.

I am a bigger fan of Harvick, but Jimmie doesn't get hot headed like Kevin either. I see that as their flaws not JJs and he owes no apologies imo.

I hope Kevin wins the title this year, I think for much of his career he has been better than his equipment.
But I think he could learn a lot from JJ , and become even better.

And I think Dale E was more all buisness on the track as well. He was rougher but he had a lot of mental strength.

What some may think of as personality is a weakness. One other example is Brads self absorded personia since winning the title, and he doesn't put together as many complete races as a result.
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Dammit Greg its hard to disagree with you...:D

Everyone has their favs and their disliked drivers. Sometimes they just strike you a certain way....
 
DaBiff1618 said:
Greatest driver in the world? Lets not get carried away. Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso, and Kimi Raikkonen all are much better talents, probably vettel too. Larson and the busch bros are more talented then Jimmie as well, they don't have as good of teams or the equipment to hang with him every week. The 48 is just in another zip code at certain points of the year, and when they unload fastest there is no point in watching. Not taking anything away from Jimmie he's a great driver but his cars are far superior
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When any of those drivers win 6 championships we'll talk ok?
 
i won't go as far as to say best driver, but best team for sure imo, i have always felt gordon, jeff not robby is the best driver in nascar.
 
If there was a chart of wins before Johnson showed up, and after he did, I think Gordon, Stewart, Biffle, Edwards, Jr, and others who were around then would have had much better records. But it didn't happen that way. Since 02, Johnson has been a huge factor in Nascar racing.
 
DaBiff1618 said:
Greatest driver in the world? Lets not get carried away. Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso, and Kimi Raikkonen all are much better talents, probably vettel too. Larson and the busch bros are more talented then Jimmie as well, they don't have as good of teams or the equipment to hang with him every week. The 48 is just in another zip code at certain points of the year, and when they unload fastest there is no point in watching. Not taking anything away from Jimmie he's a great driver but his cars are far superior
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So you're telling me that the likes of Hamilton and Alonso don't have far superior equipment in relation to the rest of the field? :rolleyes:

Hamilton's won 4/6 F1 races this year - and F1's still way more popular than NASCAR is around the world. Domination is an art form that some need to learn to appreciate :)
 
Popularity doesn't have a thing to do with level of competition, although some use that. Nascar has done a much better job of keeping a level playing field for all manufacturers so the driver, not the car techno determines who sits in the winner's circle
 
So far this year Harvick and Kyle are about the only two who have anything for Johnson, but their consistent bad luck doesn't make it look that way.
 
DSquad48 said:
So you're telling me that the likes of Hamilton and Alonso don't have far superior equipment in relation to the rest of the field? :rolleyes:

Hamilton's won 4/6 F1 races this year - and F1's still way more popular than NASCAR is around the world. Domination is an art form that some need to learn to appreciate :)
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Right on with Hamilton, Alonso's car is awful though.
 
DaBiff1618 said:
Greatest driver in the world? Lets not get carried away. Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso, and Kimi Raikkonen all are much better talents, probably vettel too. Larson and the busch bros are more talented then Jimmie as well, they don't have as good of teams or the equipment to hang with him every week. The 48 is just in another zip code at certain points of the year, and when they unload fastest there is no point in watching. Not taking anything away from Jimmie he's a great driver but his cars are far superior
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Huh???
 
StandOnIt said:
When any of those drivers win 6 championships we'll talk ok?
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The best athlete doesn't always have the most titles. Unless you're suggesting Trent Dilfer is better then Dan Marino, who I believe is the greatest QB of all time. Jimmie has the best crew, crew chief, engineers, manufacturer and motors and we wonder why he is unbeatable? Hendrick is the best team, so what exactly are busch, keselowski, kenseth supposed to do? Unless he has bad luck he will win the championship every single year, much like F1. And red bull has dominated f1 for 5 years, Hamilton is showing what he can do with dominant equipment, he has never had it before. Jimmie is a top 5 driver in cup, but he's not as talented as kyle busch or kyle larson. Nascar is about so much more then driver talent, so I hate getting into greatest ever debates. Stats don't always tell the whole story
 
Stats are in the record books..that is what they go by if you haven't figured that out yet. We are talking about racing drivers I thought, Jimmy Johnson in particular, now it is stick n ball time, F-1..red what?? All Johnson needs are years from now after he retires for fans to look back at his record for most to figure it out.
 
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StandOnIt said:
Stats are in the record books..that is what they go by if you haven't figured that out yet. We are talking about racing drivers I thought, Jimmy Johnson in particular, now it is stick n ball time, F-1..red what??
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And I explained how in racing you need to be smart enough to take all factors into account.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Right on with Hamilton, Alonso's car is awful though.
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Ferrari's been in a bit of a slump but the team as a whole is better than most. It's the same with all forms of auto racing; it's not the single best driver that's going to win, it's the best combination of driver, car, team, engineers, etc.
 
DSquad48 said:
Ferrari's been in a bit of a slump but the team as a whole is better than most. It's the same with all forms of auto racing; it's not the single best driver that's going to win, it's the best combination of driver, car, team, engineers, etc.
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Lol that's the point I was trying to make. Not denying Jimmies a great driver, just not willing to call him GOAT
 
Doesn't matter what you and I think. When the highlight reels are running 20 years from now and most haven't seen anybody you or I have mentioned, Johnson will be in the top tier on the countdown of greatest drivers
 
DSquad48 said:
Ferrari's been in a bit of a slump but the team as a whole is better than most. It's the same with all forms of auto racing; it's not the single best driver that's going to win, it's the best combination of driver, car, team, engineers, etc.
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If it weren't for their outstanding driver lineup they'd be getting killed even worse. If they swapped Alonso and Raikkonen with the lineups of McLaren, Force India, and Williams they'd be 6th in in the standings.
 
DaBiff1618 said:
Lol that's the point I was trying to make. Not denying Jimmies a great driver, just not willing to call him GOAT
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Fair enough. I'm just saying it's hard to be able to call anybody the definitive "best" driver when there are so many different variables. Although it is hard to argue that the 48 team isn't one of the best, if not the best, of all time.
 
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Johnson is the Joe Montana (Best pro QB ever) of NASCAR racing and has the championships to prove it. Actually, Johnson is the greatest of his time, just like Old Man E'hardt, Kulwicki (for his stand alone team) and many, many more. No one has dominated NASCAR as Johnson has, hate him to death but the facts are the facts.
 
Yeah didn't mean to get all this greatest driver crap started, I said I thought Johnson to be the greatest driver right now...present time. In Nascar the figures don't lie, since 2002, 11 years, Johnson has been a force, six out of 11 years he has won the whole thing. Only one 6th place finish, mostly first places and seconds. We can argue till we are blue in the face about who is the best all time driver, what era etc.
 
StandOnIt said:
Yeah didn't mean to get all this greatest driver crap started, I said I thought Johnson to be the greatest driver right now...present time. In Nascar the figures don't lie, since 2002, 11 years, Johnson has been a force, six out of 11 years he has won the whole thing. Only one 6th place finish, mostly first places and seconds. We can argue till we are blue in the face about who is the best all time driver, what era etc.
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I whole heartedly endorse and approve of this post. Wingntucnc.
 
Hell, I am not a great Johnson fan either, but the figures don't lie. Mr Perfect in the winners circle with his perfect kids and perfect wife..a part of me wants to :bleh: and then, don't get me started on ol anal retentive Chad
 
better get used to seeing the 48 in victory lane.. he had the best car by far in both pocoblow races last year....
 
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