Edwards will not be suspended

AndyMarquisLive said:
I was afraid Kez was going to walk away from this crash looking like a saint. Based off some of the posts in these forums and what I've seen in the media, he has.
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Yeah, you are right and "THAT" is wrong. We will see if Kez has learned any lessons.
 
I'm not a fan of either of these guys but I don't understand how anyone can't find fault in what Edwards did. The guy comes out of the pits 100+ laps down and basically hunts Keselowski down. That kind of stuff wasn't the norm years gone by. That's the kind of crap that occurred on Days of Thunder. These two guys have a history that both have been on the giving/receiving end. There's been a lot of talk about respect and respecting other drivers. Does someone that is willing to do that deserve the utmost respect of his peers? I'm not so sure that he does.

Early in the race I saw a driver that wasn't going to give an inch. He didn't. Edwards came down and spun himself. Edwards commented in the garage area that after seeing the replay that he thought that it was as much his fault as it was Keselowski's. His, because he came down. Kes, because he didn't give him the room to come down. That the part that I don't get. Why should Kes give him the room? How did Edwards go from accepting partial blame for what happened to be a man on a mission?

I'm looking forward to see some of the comments from their competitors. I have a felling that they are going to be looking at Edwards in a whole different light after this.
 
I liked Kez when he first started. Then I saw him getting involved in incidents with more seasoned drivers. He said he was going to race everyone hard, and he did but he lacked the experience. He never took responsibility when he made a boneheaded move. Hamlin was right about him and I'm no fan of Hamlin either.

New drivers don't get respect until they earn it, he seems to expect it to be handed to him. Roger is going to have a lot of torn up race cars this year, all with a #12 on the door.

Wouldn't surprise me if Roger didn't buy out his contract and he was looking for a ride next year.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I'm not a fan of either of these guys but I don't understand how anyone can't find fault in what Edwards did. The guy comes out of the pits 100+ laps down and basically hunts Keselowski down. That kind of stuff wasn't the norm years gone by. That's the kind of crap that occurred on Days of Thunder. These two guys have a history that both have been on the giving/receiving end. There's been a lot of talk about respect and respecting other drivers. Does someone that is willing to do that deserve the utmost respect of his peers? I'm not so sure that he does.

Early in the race I saw a driver that wasn't going to give an inch. He didn't. Edwards came down and spun himself. Edwards commented in the garage area that after seeing the replay that he thought that it was as much his fault as it was Keselowski's. His, because he came down. Kes, because he didn't give him the room to come down. That the part that I don't get. Why should Kes give him the room? How did Edwards go from accepting partial blame for what happened to be a man on a mission?

I'm looking forward to see some of the comments from their competitors. I have a felling that they are going to be looking at Edwards in a whole different light after this.
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very well said dp :beerbang::beerbang:
 
SST55 said:
I liked Kez when he first started. Then I saw him getting involved in incidents with more seasoned drivers. He said he was going to race everyone hard, and he did but he lacked the experience. He never took responsibility when he made a boneheaded move. Hamlin was right about him and I'm no fan of Hamlin either.

New drivers don't get respect until they earn it, he seems to expect it to be handed to him. Roger is going to have a lot of torn up race cars this year, all with a #12 on the door.

Wouldn't surprise me if Roger didn't buy out his contract and he was looking for a ride next year.
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So I guess the way to earn respect in the cup series is to just pull over and let the veterans by????????
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I'm not a fan of either of these guys but I don't understand how anyone can't find fault in what Edwards did. The guy comes out of the pits 100+ laps down and basically hunts Keselowski down. That kind of stuff wasn't the norm years gone by. That's the kind of crap that occurred on Days of Thunder. These two guys have a history that both have been on the giving/receiving end. There's been a lot of talk about respect and respecting other drivers. Does someone that is willing to do that deserve the utmost respect of his peers? I'm not so sure that he does.

Early in the race I saw a driver that wasn't going to give an inch. He didn't. Edwards came down and spun himself. Edwards commented in the garage area that after seeing the replay that he thought that it was as much his fault as it was Keselowski's. His, because he came down. Kes, because he didn't give him the room to come down. That the part that I don't get. Why should Kes give him the room? How did Edwards go from accepting partial blame for what happened to be a man on a mission?

I'm looking forward to see some of the comments from their competitors. I have a felling that they are going to be looking at Edwards in a whole different light after this.
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Funny how that happened, Carl being on the fence at the beginning, to a vengful SOB an hour later.
Almost like Jack Roush told him to get out there, and do it, or else......THAT would not surprise me either. Infact, the more I think about it, it sounds about right. Why else would Edwards take 3 swipes at him, Seems like Jack himself would have gotten on the radio and calmed Carl down. It didn't happen. Jacks orders......
MoMike
 
SST55 said:
I liked Kez when he first started. Then I saw him getting involved in incidents with more seasoned drivers. He said he was going to race everyone hard, and he did but he lacked the experience. He never took responsibility when he made a boneheaded move. Hamlin was right about him and I'm no fan of Hamlin either.

New drivers don't get respect until they earn it, he seems to expect it to be handed to him. Roger is going to have a lot of torn up race cars this year, all with a #12 on the door.

Wouldn't surprise me if Roger didn't buy out his contract and he was looking for a ride next year.
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Yeah, what you said.
 
I really don't care too much about either driver.But it was just a month ago on this forum that everyone was whining (me included) that there was no old school fire and passion out there on the track.Just a bunch of high paid clones riding around collecting points.I certainly don't hear that from forum members now.What is it exactly that we want.Passion or dull?Brad and Carl have livened things up,lets thank them and move on.No need to be critical,its exactly the old school fire that we wanted.Short tracks comin up,*Boys have at it*
 
ted@economy said:
I really don't care too much about either driver.But it was just a month ago on this forum that everyone was whining (me included) that there was no old school fire and passion out there on the track.Just a bunch of high paid clones riding around collecting points.I certainly don't hear that from forum members now.What is it exactly that we want.Passion or dull?Brad and Carl have livened things up,lets thank them and move on.No need to be critical,its exactly the old school fire that we wanted.Short tracks comin up,*Boys have at it*
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I can't remember this much controversy between two drivers (besides Edwards and Kenseth which was absolutely stupid) since the Montoya/Harvick incident.
Carl was wrong in the way he executed his anger. He should have waited until the race ended and shown his anger face to face.

That aside there is much to talk about, and a lot being said. Puts Nascar interest back on the map :)
 
The crap that I hear coming from Jimmy Spencer about how the boy needs to learn some repect is pretty much how everyone felt about him,when he started out.What a bull in a china shop he was.He should be happy to see this rubbin is racin stuff.
 
I can't believe the national media coverage this is getting, hell this thread has spun almost 30 pages
 
steveluvs3 said:
I can't believe the national media coverage this is getting, hell this thread has spun almost 30 pages
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Yeah, that shows how exciting Nascar has become. :rolleyes:

When an incident like this gets all the fans up in arms.

maybe we should lock the thread when it approaches the Nascar Trivia Thread in "views". ;)
 
steveluvs3 said:
I can't believe the national media coverage this is getting, hell this thread has spun almost 30 pages
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Yeah, even the stupidest Danica thread only ran twelve pages.This is great.(We looked it up,so you don't have to)
 
mike honcho said:
So I guess the way to earn respect in the cup series is to just pull over and let the veterans by????????
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No. You earn respect by racing them hard, but racing them clean. Brad doesn't race clean. The crap he pulls works in the Nationwide, but this isn't the Nationwide Series.

Brad has a tendency to get pissed off and just flat wreck someone if he's been racing them for several laps. That's not going to earn you respect.

Brad's trying too hard to be Dale Earnhardt.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
No. You earn respect by racing them hard, but racing them clean. Brad doesn't race clean. The crap he pulls works in the Nationwide, but this isn't the Nationwide Series.

Brad has a tendency to get pissed off and just flat wreck someone if he's been racing them for several laps. That's not going to earn you respect.

Brad's trying too hard to be Dale Earnhardt.
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But Dale could do it better than anyone, and most of the time made it look like the other guys fault.
 
sounds like Scott's isn't happy

Scott's Statement: Scotts appreciates the support of NASCAR fans everywhere, and we have an excellent relationship with Carl Edwards, Jack Roush and the #99 Roush Fenway Racing team. However, like many fans, we were very concerned about the on-track incident that occurred in Atlanta this past weekend. As a result, we have strongly expressed these concerns to both Carl and Jack, and we are confident that they have a clear understanding of the trust we have placed in them as ambassadors of our company, our associates and our brands. In addition, as a sponsor, we want to make sure that drivers, race teams and NASCAR focus on keeping these types of incidents and misjudgments from happening.(3-11-2010)
 
mike honcho said:
sounds like Scott's isn't happy

Scott's Statement: Scotts appreciates the support of NASCAR fans everywhere, and we have an excellent relationship with Carl Edwards, Jack Roush and the #99 Roush Fenway Racing team. However, like many fans, we were very concerned about the on-track incident that occurred in Atlanta this past weekend. As a result, we have strongly expressed these concerns to both Carl and Jack, and we are confident that they have a clear understanding of the trust we have placed in them as ambassadors of our company, our associates and our brands. In addition, as a sponsor, we want to make sure that drivers, race teams and NASCAR focus on keeping these types of incidents and misjudgments from happening.(3-11-2010)
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They have to make statements like that.... for PR.
 
I'm guessing that Cousin Carl is going to get up during the drivers meeting, Bristol Sunday, and make some sort of apologetic statement to the masses. What do you all think? :unsure:
 
SlowNeasy said:
don't recall ernie deliberately wrecking anyone. it just sorta came naturally with his earlier driving style. <g>
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I was never saying that he did. I was talking about getting up at the drivers meeting to speak to his fellow competitors, similar to what Irvan did.
 
Didn't someone else do that too? Was it Jimmy Spencer? Or maybe he didn't ever apologize for all the sheet metal he destroyed.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I'm not sure about Spencer but here's a link to the Irvan story.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmehHnfX6dQ
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ernie is the only driver that i can recall actually apologizing to other drivers at a drivers meeting. could have been more i just don't recall it. thanks for that link dpkimmel2001. :) i'd never seen the an actual video of his apology. imo edwards won't make an apology at a driver's meeting. everyone already knows what he did and i'd bet half of the driver's wished that they'd have been the one delivering the message. he didn't intend for brad to go airborne. that was just an unintended consequence. $hit happens. that race is over, time to move on.
 
Just to add to this, today's NASCAR is nothing like it was in Irvan's day. These kids believe they are top quality drivers when they reach the top series at such an early age. They don't have to "prove" themselves anymore. Ernie Irvan didn't begin his Cup career in the #28 car, it was the #2 car at that time IIRC. And that wasn't the Blue Deuce. Yes Kez had a few years in the lower series, but I can name you a bunch of Busch series champs who moved up to Cup cars but didn't get top notch cars. Again, they had to earn their good rides.
 
Dayum, again I agree with Buck.:eek:

Big E was almost 25 when he made his first cup start. He made 8 starts over the next three years. He was almost 29 when he got his first, full time cup ride.

Before that he built, maintained and raced his own cars with little to no outside financing or help. Same as many guys of the time did, most were in their late 20's or early 30's when they got their chance.

Not 18 year olds who had won go kart championships.:rolleyes:
 
Spike said:
The #12 isnt a top notch team.
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I beg to differ. Penske Racing has turned their entire program around. Look at how well Kurt Busch is doing. Stremme had a lot of solid performances going in that #12 car last year before he took himself out. Keselowski was in the top-ten when Flipper flipped him.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I beg to differ. Penske Racing has turned their entire program around. Look at how well Kurt Busch is doing. Stremme had a lot of solid performances going in that #12 car last year before he took himself out. Keselowski was in the top-ten when Flipper flipped him.
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Stremme finished 28 of the 33 races he ran in the #12. The last 3 years of Ryan Newman's tenure in the #12, his average finish in the points was 16th. In 3 races last year, Keselowski's best finish was 25th. Before his good run at Atlanta, Keselowski's best finish this year was 21st. It's not a very good team.
 
Spike said:
Stremme finished 28 of the 33 races he ran in the #12.
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Again, I ask: How many of those DNF's were Stremme's own fault? How many times did he have a solid run going and take himself out (especially late in the season)? What position was Kez running in that pitiful car before he got turned?

2007 -- Ryan Newman had several top-five, top-ten finishes and almost won a couple of times.

2008 -- Ryan Newman wins the Daytona 500.

It's not a Hendrick Motorsports team, but to say the #12 team isn't good is asinine.
 
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