Edwards will not be suspended

mike honcho said:
Why stupid it's clear NASCAR is not going to do anything.It's going to be get him first before he gets you again.The way I see it Carl has alot of retaliation coming his way.Cause between Kes and Carl,Carl is up 3-0.The 2 wrecks sunday were Carls fault and Dega was Carls fault too.
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You were wrong on the penalty and you are wrong on whose fault too. And, it will be pretty stupid if Kez retaliates.
 
How is he wrong on who was at fault? Keselowski didnt do anything wrong in any of the wrecks that happened after he and Edwards tied up.
 
muggle not said:
You were wrong on the penalty and you are wrong on whose fault too. And, it will be pretty stupid if Kez retaliates.
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Whatever mugg I guess we agree to disagree.So I guess Kes is supposed to just let Carl keep cutting down on him even when the spotter tells him Kes is there and keep lettinng him put him in the wall.
 
SST55 said:
Kez, the Rodney Dangerfield of Na$car,,getting no respect.:growl::growl:
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Because he doesnt give any respect. He hasnt earned his yet on the track.

No matter what the penalty was that NASCAR handed down, they would get scrutinized for it. If it had been much harsher, people would of said it was too much, now that its fairly light, people say not hard enough. NASCAR could not win in this decision no matter what.

The thing that gets me is, had the car not went airborn, nothing else would of been said or done by NASCAR or the fans and all this discussion would not have happened.

I dont like Brad K. Im glad he was fine but maybe he will show some respect for the better and more seasoned drivers out there.
 
muggle not said:
You were wrong on the penalty and you are wrong on whose fault too. And, it will be pretty stupid if Kez retaliates.
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Muggle, review the videos out there of the incident at the beginning of the race.
So far, I have seen two different videos and heard the spoters comments to Carl just before the incident. The voice and footage of the incident showed the same thing, Carl coming down in front of Kesolowski, ergo, Carl was at fault.
It was a racing incident at that point and if anyone i to blame, it would have to be Edwards for not listening to his spotter.
 
Brad K. reaction to the "suspension"

“I support NASCAR in the decision they communicated today,” Keselowski said in a statement released Tuesday afternoon. “They are not in an enviable position when it comes to these matters, but they do an outstanding job. The unfortunate part about what happened on Sunday is that it has overshadowed a win (by his teammate, Kurt Busch) and an overall solid performance by Penske Racing at Atlanta"


Looks like NASCAR got in his ear and told him what to say.

If this is how he truly feels, then what a joke. Oh, the days of Ricky Rudd, Earnhardt Sr, Texas Terry telling it like it is.
 
Whizzer said:
Muggle, review the videos out there of the incident at the beginning of the race.
So far, I have seen two different videos and heard the spoters comments to Carl just before the incident. The voice and footage of the incident showed the same thing, Carl coming down in front of Kesolowski, ergo, Carl was at fault.
It was a racing incident at that point and if anyone i to blame, it would have to be Edwards for not listening to his spotter.
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Yeah the spotter told him Kes was INSIDE and the spotter never cleared him and Carl cut down on him and caused it.Then after the wreck his spotter says I'm sorry to Carl???????????
 
Spike said:
Wonder what Carl Long thinks of all this?
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I think that Carl Long, Robbie Gordon,and all the other little guys better keep their heads down and not get into any accidents.Nascar needs to make an example of somebody and for sure it isn't going to be one of the top twelve.There is going to be an incident where Nascar can step in without hurting the chase competitors.
 
MoMike said:
When a car gets turned around at 190+ MPH, they get airborne. They always have, they probably always will. It's got nothing to do with 1.5, or 2 mile, or 2.5 mile. Go fast enough, you'll fly. Lets face it, the purpose for a "wing" is to fly,right?Give them the right set-up at Darlington, and they can do it there too. Were they not hitting close to 200mph in a test there headed into turn 3 a couple years ago, right after the pavejob? Maybe the answer is a restrictor plate at these high speed venues.....:sarcasm::D:D (I should shut up, as not to give them any ideas.)
They're doing a great job of ignoring the 170 LB elephant in the room.
MoMike
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They were running 204 mph going into turn 1 at CHICAGOLAND in 2005
 
ted@economy said:
I think that Carl Long, Robbie Gordon,and all the other little guys better keep their heads down and not get into any accidents.Nascar needs to make an example of somebody and for sure it isn't going to be one of the top twelve.There is going to be an incident where Nascar can step in without hurting the chase competitors.
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Sad but true. Robbie still has the balls to challenge the big boys and I hope he does.
 
I was hoping for some shoving matches, maybe even pit crew brawls with the 'have at it boys'. Not cars flying through the air. Hopefully this doesn't 'wreck' the rest of the (open) season.
Oh for the days of Jimmy Spencer punching at KB through the window net :rolleyes:
 
Curves said:
I was hoping for some shoving matches, maybe even pit crew brawls with the 'have at it boys'. Not cars flying through the air. Hopefully this doesn't 'wreck' the rest of the (open) season.
Oh for the days of Jimmy Spencer punching at KB through the window net :rolleyes:
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If it would have been a garage fight it would have been worse for Kez. "Look mama no teeth". :)
 
Smoke14 said:
Sad but true. Robbie still has the balls to challenge the big boys and I hope he does.
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Robbie needs to get that company that makes those punching bags as a sponsor. He literally turns out to be Nascar's punching bag a good deal of the time.
 
Has everyone forgotten that Edwards isn't the only driver to have had trouble with Keslowski?
 
MELROSEMAFIA said:
They were running 204 mph going into turn 1 at CHICAGOLAND in 2005
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The reason I quoted Darlington is that it's well under 1.5 miles. They hit 200MPH at just about all the 1.5ers. Maybe Kansas and Homestead being the exceptions.
Carl is in for a rough year, guaranteed. The "respect" thing is a bit overrated.
Keselowski doesn't owe Carl Edwards squat.
I didn't see Edwards giving Jr an inch at Atlanta in his first year back in 04', driving an unsponsored 99 car. Fast forward a few years to Michigan when JR dumped him in a busch race, and right away he wants to fight in Victory lane. Anyone remember when Jr had his arm out the window on a caution lap, and Carl came up and pancaked Jr in the drivers side door, with no regard for anyones well-being?
Screw him, like I said before, he needs to botch his backflip, and get braindamage.
MoMike
 
Smoke14 said:
No! Hamlin still has some "pay back" to award. :D
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Funny thing is, Keselowski only has issues with the drivers that are too good for themselves. Hamlin is always a b!tch. I lost all respect for him when he had a meltdown and stopped on the track at Richmond, because he had a tire going down. WHAH!! Carl is like jekyl and Hyde if you rub him the wrong way.
Jeff,Jimmy,Kenseth,Tony,Mark, Newman, even Robbie Gordon. None of the other drivers have any grief with Brad.
The ones Brad has run-ins with are a$$holes, and he treats them as such. I love it.
 
MoMike said:
Funny thing is, Keselowski only has issues with the drivers that are too good for themselves. Hamlin is always a b!tch. I lost all respect for him when he had a meltdown and stopped on the track at Richmond, because he had a tire going down. WHAH!! Carl is like jekyl and Hyde if you rub him the wrong way.
Jeff,Jimmy,Kenseth,Tony,Mark, Newman, even Robbie Gordon. None of the other drivers have any grief with Brad.
The ones Brad has run-ins with are a$$holes, and he treats them as such. I love it.
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:beerbang::beerbang:
 
Curves said:
Robbie needs to get that company that makes those punching bags as a sponsor. He literally turns out to be Nascar's punching bag a good deal of the time.
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Well I think that they need a punching bag.Just like with Carl Long , they weren't able to penalize the team that built the engine so they sent a message by penalizing a team that couldn't fight back. I figure Jack Roush vetoed the penalty to Carl.Maybe bought Penske a replacement car and left Nascar huffin and puffin.Sorry Robbie but there is some wrath comin down the pipe.
 
MoMike said:
Funny thing is, Keselowski only has issues with the drivers that are too good for themselves. Hamlin is always a b!tch. I lost all respect for him when he had a meltdown and stopped on the track at Richmond, because he had a tire going down. WHAH!! Carl is like jekyl and Hyde if you rub him the wrong way.
Jeff,Jimmy,Kenseth,Tony,Mark, Newman, even Robbie Gordon. None of the other drivers have any grief with Brad.
The ones Brad has run-ins with are a$$holes, and he treats them as such. I love it.
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He wrecked Justin Allgaier at least five times last year (before they became teammates) because Allgaier "raced him too hard". He caused three wrecks in one race at Memphis (because wrecking several cars was the only way he was going to win that race). He wrecked Joey Logano at California this year. Those are just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

Sure, Hamlin's got a ten foot ego on a four foot body and Carl's an ass, but Brad is no saint.
 
all things considered, what i have the biggest problem with is a driver 150 laps down returning to the track for the sole purpose of wrecking another racer.
 
Imagine if that was Danica that carl spun out!!!!!!!!!!!!Carl wold have gotten the chair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think a big part of the ruling is who it was that Carl did it to. Kez isn't a big name. If that was almost anyone else that might be the line they are talking about
 
dannynascar said:
Imagine if that was Danica that carl spun out!!!!!!!!!!!!Carl wold have gotten the chair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think a big part of the ruling is who it was that Carl did it to. Kez isn't a big name. If that was almost anyone else that might be the line they are talking about
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So true...Robby Gordon would have got the chair for THIS instance!

Shame on Nascar
 
i use to love roller derby years ago :) seriously, the drivers will iron this out themselves and all of this will blow over. the penalty was lighter than i thought it would be but no harm (injuries), no foul. fans are involved and talking about real rivalries instead of danica and jimmy. nascar should slip brad and carl a few bucks for the good promo.
 
Keselowski is to be on the CBS morning show today. I don't know the time but they just replayed the wreck and stated how NASCAR is encouraging this type of behavior. May be an interesting watch if you're interested?
 
SlowNeasy said:
i use to love roller derby years ago :) seriously, the drivers will iron this out themselves and all of this will blow over. the penalty was lighter than i thought it would be but no harm (injuries), no foul. fans are involved and talking about real rivalries instead of danica and jimmy. nascar should slip brad and carl a few bucks for the good promo.
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You pretty much got it right. A racing deal that will soon go away as most do. actually, I thought the penalty was about right maybe a little light but not much.
 
Looks like Na$car viewed this as two seperate incidents. The penalty appears to be for intentionaly spinning/wrecking kez.

"Helton said the fact that Keselowski’s car went airborne at a 1.5-mile track was a bigger issue than Edwards’ action."
http://autoracingsport.com/carl-edw...gsport+(AutoRacingSport.com+NASCAR+News+Feed)

The wing is on it's way out, why they ever considered it is a mystery. Going forward it creates downforce, you don't need a Ph.D to understand if the direction is reversed it would create lift.

Now get rid of the tire cutting splitter and we just might have decent racing again. Maybe.
 
SST55 said:
The wing is on it's way out, why they ever considered it is a mystery. Going forward it creates downforce, you don't need a Ph.D to understand if the direction is reversed it would create lift.
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So does a spoiler. It happened with Bobby Allison's car at Talladega.

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But that was in 1987 before restrictor plates and roof flaps. In fact it was following that crash that Na$car then instituted the plate to slow the cars down.

Since the COT came along I think I've seen more cars go airborne then ever .
 
Well, I'm perplexed.

One one hand, I feel this penalty was way too light. With the equipment they have now, driving like this is gonna get somebody killed. NASCAR would never admit to this, but I think they secretly wouldn't be too upset if that happened. Dale Earnhardt's death, while tragic, brought a ton of attention to the sport and I know that there are fans who hadn't followed NASCAR very closely, if at all, who started watching after that to see what happened next. I'm not saying it is right, I'm just saying that NASCAR is a business and they've shown that they are not above just about anything to make more money.

On the other hand, I was a big fan back in the days of Richard Petty, Cale Yarborough, the Allisons, and the like who did a pretty good job of policing themselves on the track. A little beating and banging can be very interesting, provided it is done at the proper tracks and in a proper way. Taking a top 10 car out of the race when you are 150 laps down is bull$hit. Period. When you do it as retaliation for a wreck that you caused earlier in the race, well, that is even worse. You can't do stuff like this at 190 mph either.

Part of the problem is that they are taking guys who've learned to drive at this level under one set of rules and then telling them "Ok boys, now we want you to police yourselves. We will only step in when a popular driver is wrecked or if we don't like the guy who intentionally wrecked somebody".
 
Well, before the season started NASCAR stated that they would let the drivers "police" bumping. I guess they really mean that with such a light penalty.

Never the less, if drivers are suppose to "police" this type of thing, if I were Kez, at Bristol I would declare myself Sheriff and deal out Edwards punishment :D
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Keselowski is to be on the CBS morning show today. I don't know the time but they just replayed the wreck and stated how NASCAR is encouraging this type of behavior. May be an interesting watch if you're interested?
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I was afraid Kez was going to walk away from this crash looking like a saint. Based off some of the posts in these forums and what I've seen in the media, he has.
 
Like you Ben1, I'm perplexed (Gonna mark that off on my Racing Forums BINGO card, "perplexed" :))

At first look the penalty does appear to be very light. But I'm sure the intent was to "rattle his cage" and get him loose. Then Carl could give him a one fingered salute as he drove by smiling. How many times do we see contact and the contactee spins, the contactor motors on with a warning coming down from on high?

I think that's how Na$car looked at it, a bump to get kez loose. Going airborne was not in the plan. Na$car has to take the responsibility for that as they had a hand in design and the final approval of the COT.

I'd love to see a complete race without wrecks, just with a little of the old beating and banging as you said.
 
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