Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

Tracks are tracks. The media can make a good story about every track, who is good there and who might not be. They don't really care now, it's all about the cut line. I would much more learn about the track myself.
 
Here is the whole thing posted on the previous page.
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Charlie Spencer said:
One of my gripes when the playoff system was first implemented was that absolutely no thought was given to whether the playoff tracks were suitable tests of drivers' abilities. NASCAR just said the tracks that were the last ten in 2003 were going to be the playoff tracks going forward. Then, when rounds came along, no consideration was given to the mix of tracks in each round. NASCAR just grouped the tracks based once again on their historic order. That included visiting the same final track over and over and over ...

Every driver races all the others every week. The system doesn't need emphasizing some races over the others.
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Another gripe of mine is the stages which allows everyone to know there is a caution coming. It allows those they don't care about stage points to come in early knowing when the caution comes out they will move up several spots to those that are going for points and pitting. We all know the reason for them and "overtime" is to create drama of more crazy restarts.
 
SeventyGTX said:
Another gripe of mine is the stages which allows everyone to know there is a caution coming. It allows those they don't care about stage points to come in early knowing when the caution comes out they will move up several spots to those that are going for points and pitting. We all know the reason for them and "overtime" is to create drama of more crazy restarts.
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While I agree, I don't regard stages as part of the championship system. They'd be the same whether we had playoffs or a full-season championship.
 
SeventyGTX said:
Another gripe of mine is the stages which allows everyone to know there is a caution coming. It allows those they don't care about stage points to come in early knowing when the caution comes out they will move up several spots to those that are going for points and pitting. We all know the reason for them and "overtime" is to create drama of more crazy restarts.
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I fail to understand all of they hype about overtime finishes. It is used in many series, pretty commonplace, sorry but it seems that most racing series don't like races finishing under caution.
I don't know how many times it has to be said, stage breaks or covering up the races with full screen commercials..over 30% of the race covered up by full screen commercials before stage breaks were initiated.
Back to on topic hopefully.
 
StandOnIt said:
I fail to understand all of they hype about overtime finishes. It is used in many series, pretty commonplace, sorry but it seems that most racing series don't like races finishing under caution.
I don't know how many times it has to be said, stage breaks or covering up the races with full screen commercials..over 30% of the race covered up by full screen commercials before stage breaks were initiated.
Back to on topic hopefully.
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How many times have we seen guys dominate a race, only to get caught up in a wild melee in overtime? Way too many. Defend it all you like, but I think they are terrible. Especially when they go 2 and 3 times wrecking cars in every one.

Ok, now back on topic. :cool:
 
SeventyGTX said:
We have a system where you could theoretically win every race of the season, yet lose the title in the final race because of something as simple as flat tire at a bad time.
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This is still mathematically possible under a full season format. It’s EXTREMELY unlikely but so is one guy winning 35 races.
 
The top 5 in Xfinity now. Rookie Zilisch 21 points out after missing a race for injury. Mayer in a Ford for Haas, Love and Hill for RCR...but muh playoffs.

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Gluck, on the Teardown, outed himself as a playoff committee member last night. He said the second meeting was the week of the Coke 600 and in recent weeks had gotten the impression the 1-race championship was 90-95% likelihood of changing next year. However, he said the TV partners (read: NBC) are the big hangup now, and with the time crunch to get the schedule finalized sooner than later, that likelihood is around 20% now. For instance, Talladega would be in the final round if they were to have a 3-race final round using this year’s schedule. So it sounds like they’ll punt to 2027 for making any potential tweaks.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Gluck, on the Teardown, outed himself as a playoff committee member last night. He said the second meeting was the week of the Coke 600 and in recent weeks had gotten the impression the 1-race championship was 90-95% likelihood of changing next year. However, he said the TV partners (read: NBC) are the big hangup now, and with the time crunch to get the schedule finalized sooner than later, that likelihood is around 20% now. For instance, Talladega would be in the final round if they were to have a 3-race final round using this year’s schedule. So it sounds like they’ll punt to 2027 for making any potential tweaks.
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I can't be disappointed since I never expected any substantial change in the first place.
 
StandOnIt said:
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I just don't get these "comparisons". The drivers and teams are currently racing for the championship using the current rules. Their decisions are obviously different at times than they would be if it was a full season championship. Once locked in by a win they are willing to gamble on fuel strategy, pit stops, tires and setups to go for another win. They can race more aggressively and take more risks. Often it doesn't work out for them, so their accumulated points are less because of these decisions.
Many want a change, and it will not matter what that change is, someone will not be happy and come up with another silly comparison.
 
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I was wondering if this would get any traction over the weekend. It appears very little. Had it done so, it would have blown up the notion that Mark Martin and others were just a bunch of crazy old men clamoring for the good ol' days. Maybe this will come up again.
 
MRM said:
I was wondering if this would get any traction over the weekend. It appears very little. Had it done so, it would have blown up the notion that Mark Martin and others were just a bunch of crazy old men clamoring for the good ol' days. Maybe this will come up again.
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I doubt much will happen with the TV media. It's their idea (NBC) and their affiliates to have this playoff nonsense in the first place.
 
Interesting update, I would like to know if any everyday fan(s) are on the committee? And if not, why? There are NDA's that could be signed.
 
rd45usa said:
Interesting update, I would like to know if any everyday fan(s) are on the committee? And if not, why? There are NDA's that could be signed.
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"If TV is the big driver, why haven't IndyCar or F1 been forced to go to playoffs? Why is it just NASCAR?"

Maybe because those series have their entire season covered by a single network, instead of scattered across multiple ones?
 
Oh, and having met only twice because it's hard to get everyone involved in the same place? Uh, Zoom, Webex, Teams, etc. Is NASCAR really that out of touch?
 
MRM said:
I thought the idea was strictly Brian France's brain child.
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The clown speaks and Nascar has been building on that nonsense every since.

“More of the drivers and teams will adapt to the strategy,” France added. “Auto racing is largely built on consistency throughout our history. We’ve changed that. Consistency certainly matters but, boy, you have to compete, every lap. And I think that brings out the best in the drivers and teams, the strategies, the effort.

 
Charlie Spencer said:
"If TV is the big driver, why haven't IndyCar or F1 been forced to go to playoffs? Why is it just NASCAR?"

Maybe because those series have their entire season covered by a single network, instead of scattered across multiple ones?
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And networks are paying A LOT more money for NASCAR.

I am fine with the playoffs but I prefer a full season championship.

But knowing the NASCAR fanbase, the bitching will start as soon as we have a runaway champion, just like people bitched in 2003.
 
This past weekend's fan favorite underdog locking himself into the Playoffs with a clutch win at a crown jewel event probably just bought us another year of unchanged Playoffs. I would be totally happy with Bubba winning at Indy breaking a 100-race winless streak. That is a a compelling story by itself. But even I must admit, the Playoff element this late in the season certainly adds intrigue. There is likely a TV suit saying this exact quote to a NASCAR exec this week- "If it were a 36 race season, Bubba's win would be old news by next week, and there would be no more storylines, and he'd fade back into mid-pack obscurity for the rest of the season."
 
Naitch said:
And networks are paying A LOT more money for NASCAR.

I am fine with the playoffs but I prefer a full season championship.

But knowing the NASCAR fanbase, the bitching will start as soon as we have a runaway champion, just like people bitched in 2003.
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It'd be a full on meltdown. The problem in the first place was opening the door to cater to these type's of attention deficit fans. I'd be shocked in my life time if they went back to a full season championship. I could see them going back to The Chase format before the Winston Cup one.
 
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