Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

[Blaze]

I still think the following is the most obvious solution:

Uh then you risk SVG winning the championship by just winning all the road courses, and maybe running near the back most of the season. That's why that's a horrible idea.

One less win for Denny and we would be looking at a champion not even top 20 in non playoff points this season.

 

[StandOnIt]

Uh then you risk SVG winning the championship by just winning all the road courses, and maybe running near the back most of the season. That's why that's a horrible idea.

One less win for Denny and we would be looking at a champion not even top 20 in non playoff points this season.

So you are implying that road course wins don't count the same as the other races?

 

[Blaze]

So you are implying that road course wins don't count the same as the other races?

No? I'm saying that the most wins shouldn't be what crowns a champion....nowhere did I imply such a thing. I was SAYING that SVG could win the championship under that format with 6 wins(if he wins all the road courses in a season) but be below 20th in points because he ran bad everywhere else.. I'd say the same if someone won all 6 Super Speedway races and was below 20th, or just 6 random races at different tracks.

In short. Crown a champion by who gets the most points over the season. Not wins, not who wins the right races. Just who's the best from race 1 to race 36.

 

[StandOnIt]

No? I'm saying that the most wins shouldn't be what crowns a champion....nowhere did I imply such a thing. I was SAYING that SVG could win the championship under that format with 6 wins(if he wins all the road courses in a season) but be below 20th in points because he ran bad everywhere else.. I'd say the same if someone won all 6 Super Speedway races and was below 20th, or just 6 random races at different tracks.

In short. Crown a champion by who gets the most points over the season. Not wins, not who wins the right races. Just who's the best from race 1 to race 36.

Like when Newman won 5 races and Kenseth won only one race but because of points, Kenseth won the title. (like what was suggested before all this back and forth)

 

[Blaze]

Like when Newman won 5 races and Kenseth won only one race but because of points, Kenseth won the title. (like what was suggested before all this back and forth)

Yes..that's what I want.

I was replying to a post, that was saying the champion should be who has the most wins, saying that's not a good idea.

 

[Greg]

Like when Newman won 5 races and Kenseth won only one race but because of points, Kenseth won the title. (like what was suggested before all this back and forth)

Newman actually won 8 races compared to 1 win for Kenseth. But Newman also had a lot more races where he finished close to 40th position. Refer to the link at the end of this post.

I favor a full season point system but that doesn't mean that the old system was perfect. I would like to see more bonus points for winning and there should be a larger gap from P2 to P1, than P40 to P39.
I think the awarded points should be progressive to increase more between the top postions.

But even with the flaws, it would still be better than any of the resets.

NASCAR Statistics: 2003 NASCAR Winston Cup Series

www.driveraverages.com

 

[Naitch]

Uh then you risk SVG winning the championship by just winning all the road courses, and maybe running near the back most of the season. That's why that's a horrible idea.

One less win for Denny and we would be looking at a champion not even top 20 in non playoff points this season.

I don’t know man, we could just call it the Ricky Bobby Cup.

 

[Greg]

I would like the full season point system to be restored as previously stated.

But they could still do a 10-race tournament like or similar to the current one. They could even pay more money to win the reset tournament.

Just don't use the resets to determine the championship. The historical record deserves better.

 

[StandOnIt]

The historical record deserves better.

That is one of the saddest parts of this whole years of the playoff game show contest mess. They threw away almost a whole generation of driver statistics on who can win the lottery, I don't care if it is 10 races or the mess they have today, it just different shades of B.S. to me at this point.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

there should be a larger gap from P2 to P1, than P40 to P39.
I think the awarded points should be progressive to increase more between the top postions.

The old system was progressive. I recall 5 point separation between the first five positions, 4 between the next five, and three between the rest. Also, running last resulted in ... 40 points? More than today's single point, so being last wasn't as damaging.

The big 'advantage' over Brian Z's current system was that it was supposed to be easier for fans to understand. 1) Fans don't seem to have a problem understanding the points systems in other forms of motorsports, or any other sports. 2) NASCAR eventually complicated it up to today's plate of spaghetti.

 

[Greg]

The old system was progressive. I recall 5 point separation between the first five positions, 4 between the next five, and three between the rest. Also, running last resulted in ... 40 points? More than today's single point, so being last wasn't as damaging.

The big 'advantage' over Brian Z's current system was that it was supposed to be easier for fans to understand. 1) Fans don't seem to have a problem understanding the points systems in other forms of motorsports, or any other sports. 2) NASCAR eventually complicated it up to today's plate of spaghetti.

Agreed but I would more of a bonus for winning and even for making the poduim (to a lesser degree)

 

[Charlie Spencer]

Agreed but I would more of a bonus for winning and even for making the poduim (to a lesser degree)

Yeah, I wasn't endorsing a return to the old points, just saying it had been progressive. But diving into the the point system is a whole 'nuther can of Sunoco Racing Fuel.

 

[Revman]

Pretty damning evidence has come out the last couple days, let's see if Nascar grows a pair and does something about it. It's way past time to do something about manufactor manipulation in the races. It's ramped up considerably since playoffs began.

Well you must be talking Ford and ChevroRick here because I watched Hamlin being anything but manipulated the last two weeks.

 

[Revman]

No? I'm saying that the most wins shouldn't be what crowns a champion....nowhere did I imply such a thing. I was SAYING that SVG could win the championship under that format with 6 wins(if he wins all the road courses in a season) but be below 20th in points because he ran bad everywhere else.. I'd say the same if someone won all 6 Super Speedway races and was below 20th, or just 6 random races at different tracks.

In short. Crown a champion by who gets the most points over the season. Not wins, not who wins the right races. Just who's the best from race 1 to race 36.

A good shot at that happening this year. Imagine that. All of this angst for nothing.

 

[MRM]

I think that says more about USA than about the playoffs. It's a legitimate comparison but better suited to the Announcers thread.

It says more people are dumping cable/satellite than what we previously thought. NASCAR was dumb to sign a TV deal where most races are on cable.

 

[Naitch]

That is one of the saddest parts of this whole years of the playoff game show contest mess. They threw away almost a whole generation of driver statistics on who can win the lottery, I don't care if it is 10 races or the mess they have today, it just different shades of B.S. to me at this point.

How do you feel about some of the convoluted messes that predated the Latford system?

A championship is a championship. Nothing is tainted.

 

[MRM]

Count Dale Jr. as another one in favor of dumping the playoffs.

 

[StandOnIt]

When they have lost Dale Jr. I wonder if the rest of them will fall in line.

 

[StandOnIt]

This is the 2024 points final without any playoff resets. Note Logano's position.

NASCAR Cup Series: Full 2024 point standings (without playoffs)

2024 NASCAR Cup Series champion Joey Logano did not even finish in the top 10 in total points scored throughout the season.

beyondtheflag.com

 

[StandOnIt]

Looks to me that the top 4 drivers were all within range to win the title right up to the last race.