Uh then you risk SVG winning the championship by just winning all the road courses, and maybe running near the back most of the season. That's why that's a horrible idea.
So you are implying that road course wins don't count the same as the other races?
No? I'm saying that the most wins shouldn't be what crowns a champion....nowhere did I imply such a thing. I was SAYING that SVG could win the championship under that format with 6 wins(if he wins all the road courses in a season) but be below 20th in points because he ran bad everywhere else.. I'd say the same if someone won all 6 Super Speedway races and was below 20th, or just 6 random races at different tracks.
Like when Newman won 5 races and Kenseth won only one race but because of points, Kenseth won the title. (like what was suggested before all this back and forth)
Yes..that's what I want.
Newman actually won 8 races compared to 1 win for Kenseth. But Newman also had a lot more races where he finished close to 40th position. Refer to the link at the end of this post.
That is one of the saddest parts of this whole years of the playoff game show contest mess. They threw away almost a whole generation of driver statistics on who can win the lottery, I don't care if it is 10 races or the mess they have today, it just different shades of B.S. to me at this point.
The old system was progressive. I recall 5 point separation between the first five positions, 4 between the next five, and three between the rest. Also, running last resulted in ... 40 points? More than today's single point, so being last wasn't as damaging.
Agreed but I would more of a bonus for winning and even for making the poduim (to a lesser degree)
Yeah, I wasn't endorsing a return to the old points, just saying it had been progressive. But diving into the the point system is a whole 'nuther can of Sunoco Racing Fuel.
Well you must be talking Ford and ChevroRick here because I watched Hamlin being anything but manipulated the last two weeks.
A good shot at that happening this year. Imagine that. All of this angst for nothing.
It says more people are dumping cable/satellite than what we previously thought. NASCAR was dumb to sign a TV deal where most races are on cable.
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You can say that again. Hamlin is the best thing Ford has going for them. I think Hamlin has a special love for Logano. Hamlin knocks fellow yota driver Wallace into the wall when an effort to make the corner in his lane would have been a win as an owner with Wallace and it would have taken Logano out of the playoffs. The next week Hamlin passes Chastain and that gives his Ford buddy Logano a spot in the next round.
Welp, we have 41 pages pointing out mostly by every post saying that it is, glad you are here.
We have some very knowledgeable people posting in this thread, some R-F guys are really knowledgeable about the sport, there are racing celebrities posts, past Nascar champions and drivers postings. Lets not forget them with your rants. They aren't saying this points format is legitimate either, but you are saying it is, some others don't have a problem with it either. You have options like the rest of us. Don't look at the thread, or post your opinions on the thread, or push the ignore button. You aren't going to change my opinion or will I change yours. I wouldn't get too snarky though.
Agreed. The drivers that have won the championship since The Chase/ Playoffs started are legit. The systems were terrible but everyone played by the same rules. Ive always thought, "Dont Hate the Player, Hate The Game" when it comes to these debates. Now....... do I think it was harder to win a full season championship as opposed to what we have now with the 4 points resets? Yes and Yes, but at the core of it thats probably a different debate.
I also dont want it misconstrued I'm a full season points guy, I've hated the playoffs since day 1 and The Chase before that. Simple reason being: A points reset with 3/4 of the season finished never seemed right to me and it truly nullified the body of work that these teams and drivers work so hard to display. You traded a full body of work season system for a reality tv system shot in the arm that MAYBE worked for a short time.
I try not to criticize the champions that won them by the established rules in spite of the flaws.
You know, while basing your points system on purse winnings isn't a great way to go about determining a champion in motorsports, that is REALLY "performing when it counts" since the winners of the few prestigious races each year had a massive lead over the competition.
no, we have 41 pages saying the current system should be replaced with the old one. That doesn't make the champions since 2004 invalid or tainted. They can only work with the rules they're given. They have the trophies, checks, and HOF slots, so I don't think they care what we think.
I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish. The drivers follow and work the points system they have to work with. I pointed out Logano was an 11th place driver and he won the championship. That is not a legitimate point system. That is a lottery system. Logano won the lottery. Is it fair? hell no. Is that legitimate hell no. Who has the trophy? Logano. That is about as far as I can go with it.
All drivers were competing under the same rules. It's not the best method but it was administered fairly.
That is a matter of opinion. There was wide spread cheating. We all saw it with our own eyes. Guess what, there is obvious cheating going on already this year. The whole clown show system is ripe for cheating. Legitimate? This is on the scale with the aero wars.
And the cheaters were punished, at least those that were caught. I don't recall the #22, Penske, or Ford among those.
Did I miss something recently where NASCAR addressed the manipulation that went on during the roval race?
I haven't heard of NASCAR statements regarding the Roval race yet.