Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

Greg said:
It was just as unfortunate tire going down and try as he might Matt finally lost the steering and Joeys unfortunate timing all coming together at once at the same time simultaneously at the exact time to the thousandths of a second to to the 66th power
like a cardiac hurricane twister tornado earthquake wildfire volcano tsunami all quintessentials like Brian France's fried out brains going off more choaticly than a monkey doing brain surgery in an all too fast of a blur for a grammatical period to stop the rush while catching a breath....
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Yeah, it's a nice looking bridge; will you come down to $17 million?
 
NASCAR execs are on their knees praying both Heim and Zilisch win the titles their respective series. Having one lose would be bad enough, but both of them? They'd have the new format announced before the Xfinity winner finished his burnouts.
 
Ya know, I could accept the playoff format if NASCAR would drop 'Win and In', playoff points, and points resets after each round.

After 26 races, the top 16 drivers in points are the only ones eligible from here on out. Keep using the points accumulated so far, and using the same regular season points system. Ineligible drivers can still improve their standings but cannot become eligible regardless. After three races, cut the four contenders with the lowest points, regardless of whether they've won. Repeat for rounds two and three.

The system becomes much easier to understand, the season's top four performers will be the only ones eligible at Phoenix, poorly performing eligible drivers will fall down the standings to where they belong, the ineligible drivers aren't locked out from advancing, and the Gerbils get their cutoffs to rave about. It's still too many eligible drivers over too many playoff races for my tastes but I'd take it if that was my only remaining complaint.
 
StandOnIt said:
Pretty hard to get excited about who wins the Championship, it has fallen so far from what it used to be. He should know. in 23 Hocevar wrecked him and win less Jones went on to win the Championship , in 24 Majeski showed up with a rocket ship.
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A week ahead of time. Doing the work. I have to hand it to you....your effort is relentless. Phoenix is going on as planned. Champions will be crowned....and if it's a Toyota, you are going to hear about it all offseason. Can't be stopped. We'll see though, I have always said that the championship goes through Larson. This is going to be great.
 
Revman said:
Champions will be crowned....and if it's a Toyota, you are going to hear about it all offseason.
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Yeah, but that would be true regardless of the format. Tell me you wouldn't cheer just as loud and long if the champ was determined by a Figure 8 race, or even just pulled out of a hat.
 
Revman said:
A week ahead of time. Doing the work. I have to hand it to you....your effort is relentless. Phoenix is going on as planned. Champions will be crowned....and if it's a Toyota, you are going to hear about it all offseason. Can't be stopped. We'll see though, I have always said that the championship goes through Larson. This is going to be great.
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"you can kind of suck all year but bring your best truck to Phoenix and you can win the whole championship" Corey Heim with 11 wins.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Yeah, but that would be true regardless of the format. Tell me you wouldn't cheer just as loud and long if the champ was determined by a Figure 8 race, or even just pulled out of a hat.
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Some things are more important than who wins the championship when you have a format that encourages the opportunity for teams who are so so, Heim with a record 11 wins says they pretty much suck all year and they show up at Phoenix and win one race all season and it is the last one (champions?). Revman, no surprise suffers from a lack of perception with the yota blinders. lol.
 

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Jorge De Guzman said:
Frankly, I’m kind of shocked a full season format is still on the table this long in the process.
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I'm not. Nascar should be sweating over Heim's possibility of losing the lottery with a record 11 wins and no DNF's and Zilisch with 10 wins, 19 top 5's and 22 top 10's. There are way too many alerted fans finally that see it for what it is.
 
StandOnIt said:
I'm not. Nascar should be sweating over Heim's possibility of losing the lottery with a record 11 wins and no DNF's and Zilisch with 10 wins, 19 top 5's and 22 top 10's. There are way too many alerted fans finally that see it for what it is.
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We are all very aware of 1993 NASCAR Winston Cup Champion, 10 race winner, Rusty Wallace.
 
It’s just humorous to me that all these media types are coming out to bash the playoffs now that they’re on life support. I wish this was the message 11 years ago when first the system was instituted. When it does change to whatever format, just keep tabs on what media members that were initially on board for the playoffs now change their tune to how bad it was for the sport and hail whatever new system is used.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
It’s just humorous to me that all these media types are coming out to bash the playoffs now that they’re on life support. I wish this was the message 11 years ago when first the system was instituted. When it does change to whatever format, just keep tabs on what media members that were initially on board for the playoffs now change their tune to how bad it was for the sport and hail whatever new system is used.
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I'm pretty sure Happy was never in favor of the current system for what it's worth
 
wi_racefan said:
I'm pretty sure Happy was never in favor of the current system for what it's worth
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Yea he’s always had a derogatory undertone to his comments about the chase/playoffs even when he drove and my initial post may seem I was singling him out. I wasn’t it just came off wrong
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
It’s just humorous to me that all these media types are coming out to bash the playoffs now that they’re on life support. I wish this was the message 11 years ago when first the system was instituted. When it does change to whatever format, just keep tabs on what media members that were initially on board for the playoffs now change their tune to how bad it was for the sport and hail whatever new system is used.
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It wasn't a couple of weeks ago that Harvick was all for the playoffs. lol.
 
Under the old Latford points system Bell with a 29th or better wins his second Championship in a row.
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I am guessing this is without all of the points resetting, but using the points Nascar awards currently. The final race would decide if one of the three drivers after a whole season of trying would be the Champion.

 
StandOnIt said:
Under the old Latford points system Bell with a 29th or better wins his second Championship in a row.
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I am guessing this is without all of the points resetting, but using the points Nascar awards currently. The final race would decide if one of the three drivers after a whole season of trying would be the Champion.

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"THIS ISNT FAIR WHY DOES HE ONLY HAVE TO FINISH 29TH!!! IAM NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!!"
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
It’s just humorous to me that all these media types are coming out to bash the playoffs now that they’re on life support. I wish this was the message 11 years ago when first the system was instituted. When it does change to whatever format, just keep tabs on what media members that were initially on board for the playoffs now change their tune to how bad it was for the sport and hail whatever new system is used.
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Another point is Harvick doesn't get paid by NBC. Gerbil Jeff always has something to say, what about Letarte? After all NBC said they didn't care about the playoffs if we were naive enough to swallow that.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
Frankly, I’m kind of shocked a full season format is still on the table this long in the process.
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If we cant go back to a full season fornat we will deserve to die
Jorge De Guzman said:
It’s just humorous to me that all these media types are coming out to bash the playoffs now that they’re on life support. I wish this was the message 11 years ago when first the system was instituted. When it does change to whatever format, just keep tabs on what media members that were initially on board for the playoffs now change their tune to how bad it was for the sport and hail whatever new system is used.
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The benvolemt dictatorship does more to keep the press in check than than the press does to Nascar in check.
They know they had better talk sweet.
 
Naitch said:
We are all very aware of 1993 NASCAR Winston Cup Champion, 10 race winner, Rusty Wallace.
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Why did you ignore the rest of the stats and only focus on the win part? Rusty DNFed more than Earnhardt, only slightly beat him in top 5s and tied in top 10s. Dale's avg finish was better as well. Plus as already said, just give the winner more points and it helps balance it out. But you can't compare that 10 win season to Connor or Corey when they are also there at the end and constantly in the top 5 and top 10. Corey has an avg finish of 5.2 and the next closet is Riggs, with 9.3 and he isn't even one of the ones who could beat him this weekend. The best avg finish that could beat him? 10.2 like, that's just dumb that's a possible outcome.
 
Blaze said:
Why did you ignore the rest of the stats and only focus on the win part? Rusty DNFed more than Earnhardt, only slightly beat him in top 5s and tied in top 10s. Dale's avg finish was better as well. Plus as already said, just give the winner more points and it helps balance it out. But you can't compare that 10 win season to Connor or Corey when they are also there at the end and constantly in the top 5 and top 10. Corey has an avg finish of 5.2 and the next closet is Riggs, with 9.3 and he isn't even one of the ones who could beat him this weekend. The best avg finish that could beat him? 10.2 like, that's just dumb that's a possible outcome.
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Why don’t we just have a full season system that gives the trophy to the guy with the lowest average finish?
 
Blaze said:
Why did you ignore the rest of the stats and only focus on the win part? Rusty DNFed more than Earnhardt, only slightly beat him in top 5s and tied in top 10s. Dale's avg finish was better as well. Plus as already said, just give the winner more points and it helps balance it out. But you can't compare that 10 win season to Connor or Corey when they are also there at the end and constantly in the top 5 and top 10. Corey has an avg finish of 5.2 and the next closet is Riggs, with 9.3 and he isn't even one of the ones who could beat him this weekend. The best avg finish that could beat him? 10.2 like, that's just dumb that's a possible outcome.
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With full season points Corey would've clinched the championship at the Roval with three races to go. And there is nothing wrong about that.
 
Naitch said:
Why don’t we just have a full season system that gives the trophy to the guy with the lowest average finish?
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Because sometimes it's really close and the person with the best, might not score the most points? But in this case, guess what little buddy. Corey leads in top 5s, top 10s, laps led, avg finish(among full time drivers) over the course of the season, with how points are scored now, he's scored 284 more points than 2nd place. Dude could've missed 4 whole races where he got ZERO points, and would still be the points leader if Layne Riggs got the MAXIMUM amount of points available to him in all 4 races.
 
Blaze said:
Because sometimes it's really close and the person with the best, might not score the most points?
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And you have just found a flaw that would be present in any system.

I would prefer a full season format, but I also acknowledge that the playoffs are also a legitimate way to crown a champion. Everyone starts the year with the same set of incentives.

I like watching drivers and teams respond to the incentives before them and the strategy involved to do so.
 
Blaze said:
Because sometimes it's really close and the person with the best, might not score the most points? But in this case, guess what little buddy. Corey leads in top 5s, top 10s, laps led, avg finish(among full time drivers) over the course of the season, with how points are scored now, he's scored 284 more points than 2nd place. Dude could've missed 4 whole races where he got ZERO points, and would still be the points leader if Layne Riggs got the MAXIMUM amount of points available to him in all 4 races.
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This isn't sometimes. Now do Zillisch.
 
Naitch said:
And you have just found a flaw that would be present in any system.

I would prefer a full season format, but I also acknowledge that the playoffs are also a legitimate way to crown a champion. Everyone starts the year with the same set of incentives.

I like watching drivers and teams respond to the incentives before them and the strategy involved to do so.
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So just completely ignore everything else I provided to you? Typical.
 
Blaze said:
So just completely ignore everything else I provided to you? Typical.
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Corey Heim and Connor Zilisch are the best drivers in their respective series, but that doesn’t translate to being champion under the system we have.

And there are times when the best driver wouldn’t win under a full season system. Mechanical failures and Rick Ware Racing drivers are an ever present threat.
 
StandOnIt said:
This isn't sometimes. Now do Zillisch.
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Give me a little bit and I'll check. But I know its not nearly as much. Remember this is with current points scoring format, so stage points, fastest lap, etc. He would have 57 points over Justin. So he couldn't have afforded missing more than the 1 race he did miss.
 
Naitch said:
but I also acknowledge that the playoffs are also a legitimate way to crown a champion.
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I happened to watch every race Heim and Zilisch raced this year. Both of them are series champions already in the real world. They would be champions in any racing series in the world with records like they have.
 
Blaze said:
Give me a little bit and I'll check. But I know its not nearly as much. Remember this is with current points scoring format, so stage points, fastest lap, etc. He would have 57 points over Justin. So he couldn't have afforded missing more than the 1 race he did miss.
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Oh it's damn close. I've posted it a number of times.
Zilisch with 10 wins, 19 top 5's and 22 top 10's.
 
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