F1 2020 News/Misc.

Kiante said:
Not at all, I rate Perez pretty highly.
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They really did a number on him on Season One, they made him look like a total loser,and a jackass the Netflix people.

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This Lance Stroll hate by many is extremely silly.

It's honestly just stupid at this point.

This move is by far the most logical deal. Haas needs the money and Grojsean needs to be replaced at this point.
 
Carry one team through all of their ups and downs until they finally have the second- or third-best car on the grid and then get told to kick rocks with some backmarker clown fiesta.

I’m not even sure Vettel is better than Pérez at this point.
 
Kiante said:
This Lance Stroll hate by many is extremely silly.
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Is completely warranted. He's only there strictly for one reason only. He doesn't even bring in money, his daddy does.

He epitomizes daddy's dearest stereotype. Guy has gone through 2 teams, handicapped one of them because 1 seat had to go to him and now daddy buys another team and a more than solid driver has to potentially give up his seat because good ol' Lance needs his ego stroked some more.

**** him.
 
Reck said:
Is completely warranted. He's only there strictly for one reason only. He doesn't even bring in money, his daddy does.

He epitomizes daddy's dearest stereotype. Guy has gone through 2 teams, handicapped one of them because 1 seat had to go to him and now daddy buys another team and a more than solid driver has to potentially give up his seat because good ol' Lance needs his ego stroked some more.

**** him.
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No it doesn't.

You want to hate you want to, I've stated it a million times over. I'm looking past Lance, its nepotism in racing. We see it in NASCAR, we see it in every discipline. Also, this is essentially Lawerence's team now. You see what Williams had to do with the Latifi family basically owns Williams.

I personally do give a damn about individuals doing this. Two teams were saved with family money, I'm happy as an F1 fan. People really think Lance sat there and pointed out what team he wanted, its such an silly deal. Stroll injected money in TWO teams to keep them above water. Goodness me its such a crime.
 
Kiante said:
This Lance Stroll hate by many is extremely silly.
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Now that he's got a decent car it will be more fair to see what he's got. He was right on Chico's tail in the last race, so I'de say that's a decent start.

It's honestly just stupid at this point.
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Welcome to the internet.

This move is by far the most logical deal. Haas needs the money and Grojsean needs to be replaced at this point.
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Haas might not need so much money if Grosjean wasn't tearing up so many cars.

Personally, I want Vettel to either be a threat every race, or get out of Formula One completely. Going to Racing Point is just hanging on too long.
 
Reck said:
Your opinion.



Most actually win.



They left Williams in worse shape. If that's your idea of good, then you can keep your goodwill to yourself, thanks.
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Williams lost out due to Sirotkin and Stroll dropping out. Both brought money, then this is the reason why Kubica was pushed to the seat with his money.

I'm not mad at Stroll like at all. His Dad wanted to move his brand into F1 being a majority investor in Aston Martin. Obviously Williams didn't want to do that wanting to continue to be the independent marquee. Got a team that recently got out of administration and in need of an investor (Force India/Racing Point)... They took the opportunity, but OTOH the move to let go of Perez could backfire.

Aston Martin is not in great of shape and I wonder how long the relationship will last on. That's the legitimate million dollar question. It's an expensive sport to be in, so lets see how it plays out over thr next three to five years, if it lasts that long. Stroll is not sparing expense either for the team judging how the current car is.
 
Doc Austin said:
Now that he's got a decent car it will be more fair to see what he's got. He was right on Chico's tail in the last race, so I'de say that's a decent start.



Welcome to the internet.



Haas might not need so much money if Grosjean wasn't tearing up so many cars.

Personally, I want Vettel to either be a threat every race, or get out of Formula One completely. Going to Racing Point is just hanging on too long.
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He only caught up because Pérez had a broken front wing from contact with Albon.

Checo has beaten Hulkenberg, Ocon, and now Stroll with the same team. He hasn’t lost a season to a teammate in six years. He’s earned being the team’s #1 driver and it’s unfortunate he might be told to go take a chance on Haas or whoever. And while Lawrence Stroll deserves some sort of credit for investing in teams, and Lance isn’t bad, trying to elevate to a top tier level will always be hindered somewhat by the fact that Lance is just decent, respectable, and okay. It’ll always be one seat that isn’t maximizing its potential.
 
FLRacingFan said:
He only caught up because Pérez had a broken front wing from contact with Albon.
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Meanwhile, Lance didn't damage his own car.

How many senseless collisions has Chico had in the first two races?

He’s (Chico) earned being the team’s #1 driver and it’s unfortunate he might be told to go take a chance on Haas or whoever.
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It's unfortunate, but racing isn't fair.

I don't think Chico helped himself by taking out his entire team on multiple occasions. Would you keep Chico if you could get Vettel? I think that's a fair question.

And while Lawrence Stroll deserves some sort of credit for investing in teams, and Lance isn’t bad, trying to elevate to a top tier level will always be hindered somewhat by the fact that Lance is just decent, respectable, and okay.
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Lance would make a solid #2, which seemed to work for Ferrari in the Schumacher years. I'de take a decent #2 if it were the only way to keep the team afloat, and that's what this appears to be.

It’ll always be one seat that isn’t maximizing its potential.
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Right now, I believe the best way to maximize that car's potential if to put a four time world champion in it.
 
Kiante said:
………... Grojsean needs to be replaced at this point.
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I would have replaced him right after Barcelona when he laid down a smoke screen and took out half the field. Still Haas keeps him because they did not have access to anyone better. Now they might. Chico would be a good upgrade for them.
 
FLRacingFan said:
He only caught up because Pérez had a broken front wing from contact with Albon.

Checo has beaten Hulkenberg, Ocon, and now Stroll with the same team. He hasn’t lost a season to a teammate in six years. He’s earned being the team’s #1 driver and it’s unfortunate he might be told to go take a chance on Haas or whoever. And while Lawrence Stroll deserves some sort of credit for investing in teams, and Lance isn’t bad, trying to elevate to a top tier level will always be hindered somewhat by the fact that Lance is just decent, respectable, and okay. It’ll always be one seat that isn’t maximizing its potential.
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If Checo moves to Haas, I think it could really turn that team around. Magnussen and Perez would be a very formidable pairing.
 
Doc Austin said:
Meanwhile, Lance didn't damage his own car.

How many senseless collisions has Chico had in the first two races?



It's unfortunate, but racing isn't fair.

I don't think Chico helped himself by taking out his entire team on multiple occasions. Would you keep Chico if you could get Vettel? I think that's a fair question.



Lance would make a solid #2, which seemed to work for Ferrari in the Schumacher years. I'de take a decent #2 if it were the only way to keep the team afloat, and that's what this appears to be.



Right now, I believe the best way to maximize that car's potential if to put a four time world champion in it.
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Perez outscored him 52-21 last year and outqualified him by an average of two grid spots last year though. The picture is pretty clear that Checo delivers more results.

Vettel has been plenty error-prone with Ferrari anyways too. Sure, four-time WDC and all but those were all seven-plus years ago when he was driving a car that consistently had the most planted rear in the field. It could be argued that Vettel hasn’t maximized the potential of the Ferrari in at least a couple of seasons, and last year his form only got worse.
 
Kiante said:
If Checo moves to Haas, I think it could really turn that team around. Magnussen and Perez would be a very formidable pairing.
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If it comes to that, I hope so. That team needs a refresh and a kick in the pants. Questionable driving, bad car, power unit that’s been neutered. I’d take Checo over Grosjean any day.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Perez outscored him 52-21 last year and outqualified him by an average of two grid spots last year though. The picture is pretty clear that Checo delivers more results.
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You can't argue the results, but Aston isn't going to be content with a podium every two years or so. They need a proven winner.

You real question is who delivers more money? That's your key, right there. If one of them has to go, I'm sure Lance's dad has an opinion on that.

Aston Martin needs a big name driver……….they are a manufacturer, after all. Imagine explaining to the board that your primary driver has a few podiums here and there, when you could have gotten a four time world champion. Vettel would fit the bill here, though it remains to be seen if Aston can pay up or Vettel will take a paycheck hit. That right there probably assures that Chico is probably reasonably safe where he's at.

Right now I am inclined to think it would be a waste of Vettel's time to go to a customer team anyway. He doesn't need the money and he doesn't need a project, so if I had to bet, I'de say he races WEC, IMSA, less likely Indy, or he goes home to be a full time dad. Then again, there is a rich motorsports tradition of champions staying well past the time they have any business being there, so who know?
 
FLRacingFan said:
I’d take Checo over Grosjean any day.
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That would be a major upgrade, but then you would have the two dirtiest drivers on the grid. Hell, that just might be what they really need!

Still probably better than having Grosjean tearing up the car and half the field.
 
I read an article about a year ago that Haas was questioning if it was all worth it. He's not pleased spending all that money and still not having the resources to challenge the big teams, and still not getting respectable results.

EDIT: Not the same article, but says roughly the same thing: https://www.f1-fansite.com/f1-news/...uit F1 4 Mar,team may not be on the 2021 grid.

Now, tell me that wouldn't throw a wrench into things.
 
AM wanting a big name for they’re becoming a “factory” team of sorts. It will certainly give them a bigger following and sell more merchandise from the outset. It just sucks because Sergio has been quick and scoring points.

I’d suspect Haas will stick around for at least another year or two with the introduction of the budget cap and the new regulations coming the year after, but they’re going to need results ASAP when those come in play. No idea how accurate Steiner is or if he was just exaggerating, but when he was chewing the drivers out in one episode of Drive to Survive he said Gene is basically spending $100M a year of his own money to run this thing. A sponsor or solid well-backed driver like Checo would ease that a lot. In another episode Gene said the Rich Energy deal was for $60M but they only got the initial payment.
 
Kiante said:
No it doesn't.

You want to hate you want to, I've stated it a million times over. I'm looking past Lance, its nepotism in racing. We see it in NASCAR, we see it in every discipline. Also, this is essentially Lawerence's team now. You see what Williams had to do with the Latifi family basically owns Williams.

I personally do give a damn about individuals doing this. Two teams were saved with family money, I'm happy as an F1 fan. People really think Lance sat there and pointed out what team he wanted, its such an silly deal. Stroll injected money in TWO teams to keep them above water. Goodness me its such a crime.
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Yeah , I am with you. The majority of race team funding that I have noticed
over the past 45 years has come from a factory or an individual who owns
a large company that spends a large portion of that company's marketing
budget sunk in a team. Sometimes , but not always, a son or family member was
on the team usually as a driver. I learned early to be thankful they were there
and loved racing so much to throw a ton of cash at it for us fans to enjoy.

As far as Haas goes, he will stick around if he thinks the podium is at
least with in sniffing distance with the changes. If its still out of the
points most races , well , he wont be satisfied with that. Right now,
they are a bit of a mess.
 
FLRacingFan said:
AM wanting a big name for they’re becoming a “factory” team of sorts. It will certainly give them a bigger following and sell more merchandise from the outset. It just sucks because Sergio has been quick and scoring points.

I’d suspect Haas will stick around for at least another year or two with the introduction of the budget cap and the new regulations coming the year after, but they’re going to need results ASAP when those come in play. No idea how accurate Steiner is or if he was just exaggerating, but when he was chewing the drivers out in one episode of Drive to Survive he said Gene is basically spending $100M a year of his own money to run this thing. A sponsor or solid well-backed driver like Checo would ease that a lot. In another episode Gene said the Rich Energy deal was for $60M but they only got the initial payment.
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No surprise, Gene loves what he does. At some point when is he going to reach his limit?

The Rich Energy deal really screwed Gene over. I hope he is able to find a title sponsor for the team. Just with how things are atm, finding a title sponsor will be difficult. I really want to see Gene succeed in this long-term because Haas potential is still there, just he needs a pay driver at this point to get some of that pressure off of his neck. Perez would be a great fit, but at this point going from RP to Haas is a clear step back.
 
Hi F1 fans...I’m on the NASCAR page usually but I like to watch the F1 races and pay attention to qualifying and practice. The technology and strategy intrigue me.
Have what’s probably regarded by all of you as a dumb question but I’ve noticed during practice some contraption attached to the cars sometimes near the front behind front tires and sometimes near the rear wing/diffuser. What the heck is that and what’s it do? Is it something F1 makes them do to measure something off the cars or is it a team apparatus they individually use? Thanks for any info you can provide.
 
Ford 222 said:
Hi F1 fans...I’m on the NASCAR page usually but I like to watch the F1 races and pay attention to qualifying and practice. The technology and strategy intrigue me.
Have what’s probably regarded by all of you as a dumb question but I’ve noticed during practice some contraption attached to the cars sometimes near the front behind front tires and sometimes near the rear wing/diffuser. What the heck is that and what’s it do? Is it something F1 makes them do to measure something off the cars or is it a team apparatus they individually use? Thanks for any info you can provide.
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Sounds like these Kiel probe rakes? They're well beyond my level of knowledge but basically they're for data gathering and are used individually by the teams. In this case Renault were doing comparisons of different front wing angles on Ricciardo's car at Hungary this weekend.

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FLRacingFan said:
Sounds like these Kiel probe rakes? They're well beyond my level of knowledge but basically they're for data gathering and are used individually by the teams. In this case Renault were doing comparisons of different front wing angles on Ricciardo's car at Hungary this weekend.

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Yup, those are what I was asking about. Thanks! So it’s a tool the teams use, not something F1 requires of them....got it and thanks again!
 
Nurburgring, Portimao, and Imola are rumored to be the next three races confirmed after Sochi. Weather could be interesting for those. AMuS also reported Sepang could be in the mix for a race.



 
FLRacingFan said:
Nurburgring, Portimao, and Imola are rumored to be the next three races confirmed after Sochi. Weather could be interesting for those. AMuS also reported Sepang could be in the mix for a race.



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Unbelievable.

I can live without the Spanish GP for a year and Sepang back on the schedule with these cars? This would be a big win for F1, however Imola is far too narrow for these wide beasts IMO. It will be great to see them and a fun place to see these guys toss these cars. Also, these tracks would be a great mix of old school tracks jumping onto the schedule is great to see.
 
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