They were, but then NASCAR was all like, "nope, none of that stuff happened, guys."
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cwag1
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If Joey was penalized 50 points like the 56 he would be out of the chase too. What they did is worse than TEAM MATES helping each other out.
KevinWI
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Oh? What were they?
KevinWI
Oldest Operating Motor Speedway In The World
Yep, NASCAR took a crappy situation and made it 100 times worse.
Blaze
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Wasn't it already 12 drivers but just the top 12 drivers before they did that? They just put it back to ten and added the wildcards.
I'd be fine with that, but not taking Joey out since him and Martin was tied with one win, and he did finish higher in points even without any of this happening.
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You could be right.
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Well, the wife and I have been on the road since about the minute this news broke (in Morgantown, ready to watch my alma mater tomorrow....go mountaineers! Lol)...anyway, had a lot of time to talk and process all this...here are my thoughts...if anyone cares...
From the beginning of all this, I have not been a fan of anyone being added to the chase. The race was not over when MWR did what they did....anything could of happened to knock Jeff or Newman out in the remaining laps. I stand by my stance that NASCAR should of DQed both the 15 and 56 from the chase...that wild of sent a loud message...I also think the 22 ahold have felt major recourse for the deal of Penske allegedly paying for that deal...maybe even kicked them selves...
With that said, when Newman was added back into the chase, NASCAR pretty much backed themselves into a corner....when the news broke about the 22/38 deal. They had not much choice other than to add Jeff in...they should of kept consistency and levied the point deduction to Logano that was laid on MWR...
On one hand NASCAR was consistent in if Newman deserved to be in, so did Gordon, on the other they are their usual inconsistent selves with the penalties to the ones who actually caused all this.
From the beginning of all this, I have not been a fan of anyone being added to the chase. The race was not over when MWR did what they did....anything could of happened to knock Jeff or Newman out in the remaining laps. I stand by my stance that NASCAR should of DQed both the 15 and 56 from the chase...that wild of sent a loud message...I also think the 22 ahold have felt major recourse for the deal of Penske allegedly paying for that deal...maybe even kicked them selves...
With that said, when Newman was added back into the chase, NASCAR pretty much backed themselves into a corner....when the news broke about the 22/38 deal. They had not much choice other than to add Jeff in...they should of kept consistency and levied the point deduction to Logano that was laid on MWR...
On one hand NASCAR was consistent in if Newman deserved to be in, so did Gordon, on the other they are their usual inconsistent selves with the penalties to the ones who actually caused all this.
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mreed
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...nuff said
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Plus you don't get non-playoff teams winning playoff games in other sports. Playoffs in racing is lame. I'm starting to think the gimmickry in NASCAR is a bigger draw than the damn racing, which is a shame.
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Manufactured results. The actual racing was done in the first 390 miles.
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cwag1
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From now on if a teammate lets another teammate pass to led a lap -25 point penalty and hold both drivers a lap, If a driver spins and their teammate gains a position -25 hold a lap for both of them. Next time a driver moves aside to let another driver take a position -25 and a lap. If not NASCAR how can the fans take any decision they make seriously ever again. Come one NASCAR balls up if you can get them back from Penske.
Matthew2470
It's not that serious
I wonder what the reaction would have been if the 88 were one of the cars involved in all this.
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NASCAR would've gotten a HUGE positive feedback from Earnhardt Nation. As for me, I'd still be saying the same **** I said yesterday.
Matthew2470
It's not that serious
It all goes back to MWR and the 15 team. People are focusing their anger in the wrong places.
At this point I think people are elated to be bitching about something. We've all been guilty of that at one time or another.
At this point I think people are elated to be bitching about something. We've all been guilty of that at one time or another.
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
In future , any team that says that stuff uncoded over public airwaves should be penalized to the max . The reason they didn't use code before was that nobody cared. You will never hear that stuff again , but it will always go on. Who knew that the fans would react this way . Haven't they ever seen an election campaign ?
Same here, despite the fact that Junior is my favorite driver and I am therefore a card carrying member of Junior Nation whether I like it or not. For me this whole thing is purely about the principle of what NASCAR did, not who specifically benefited from it, though it's tough to argue that Gordon's popularity/status didn't help him out here. And yep, I concede that I could say the exact same thing for Junior.
The thing is, though, Junior raced his way in this year so Matt's point is, at least for now, moot.
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Matthew2470
It's not that serious
But is it really that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things? The MWR scumbags triggered events that put NASCAR in a horrible position, the complexity of which only they understand. Does the addition of a 13th driver to the Chase really alter what true race fans love about NASCAR racing?
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It was top 10 only for a while & jr missed the chase. They expanded it to top 12 (I thought they were gonna go all the way to 15 just to make sure jr got in every year) and then later went back to top 10 only & added the wildcard BS after the points system change.
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cwag1
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If Junior was in Gordon's Spot let him in if he was in Joey's throw his ass out or let Truex back in. No different.
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cwag1
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And the bigger scumbags at Penske Racing should get the same penalty because it is worse bribing another team then it is teammates helping teammates. Does it alter my love for racing, NO! Does it alter my love for NASCAR? Yes, this is just another part of a chain of total retardation from Brain France and Mike Helton that has made NASCAR nothing but a big joke. Big Bill, and Bill Jr. a rolling in their graves at the utter stupidity of Brian.
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No Im pretty sure it was 10 I heard KP talkin about it yesterday
SlicedBread22
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Can u conclusively prove Penske Racing officials were responsible for offering Front Row Motorsports 38 team and driver David Gilliland any sort of compensation for position on the race track? NOPE.. and neither can NASCAR
I certainly don't speak for all the true race fans, but it changes things for me somewhat, yes.
All season long we've heard that the top 10 in points make the Chase along with 2 wildcards from 11-20. Those were the rules, at least according to NASCAR. Now, a few days after the Chase cutoff race they just decide "yeah, Gordon deserves to be in, so let's make a special 13th spot for him." They had a rule in place and then just changed it on the fly. If we end up in a similar scenario next year, you can bet that whoever is just on the outside looking in will be campaigning for an extra spot in the Chase. That is, if they don't just expand the field to 13, just like they expanded it to 12 when Junior didn't make it, or so some people have alleged. Dunno if it's true or not, but it strengthens my argument so I'll accept it as fact. LOL.
Seriously though, as I said before, if we're gonna have a Chase, somebody has to be left out or there's no point in having it. Not everyone can make it. There will always be a driver or two right on the cusp of making it that misses it. If we keep adding more spots in, the whole field will eventually make the Chase, which is perhaps the way it should be at this point.
Blaze
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2007 – 2010
In 2007, NASCAR expanded the field of contenders to the top 12 drivers in the points standings after the first 26 races. Each drivers' point total reset to 5,000 points, with a ten point bonus for each race won. The provision letting all drivers within 400 points of the leader was dropped.
2011 – present
The Chase format was again modified for the 2011 season, as was the point system for winnings. After 26 "regular season" races, the top 10 drivers, as determined by points accumulated during the season, automatically advance to contend for the Cup championship. These drivers are joined by two "wild card" qualifiers, specifically the two drivers ranked from 11th through 20th in drivers' points who have the most regular-season race wins. The 12 drivers' championship points are reset to a base of 2,000 per driver. Each of the 10 automatic qualifiers receives a bonus of 3 points for each win during the regular season, while the two wild card qualifiers receive no bonus. Normal scoring applies during the Chase, with race winners earning 43 base points plus 3 bonus points, all drivers who lead a lap earning 1 bonus point, and the driver who leads the most laps earning 1 bonus point in addition to any other points earned.[4]
As in all previous Chases, the driver with the highest point total at the conclusion of the 10-race Chase is the Sprint Cup champion.
I thank god you have no control over my life. I don't understand your thinking at all.
An organization conspires to manipulate the outcome of the chase members and you find that acceptable. Brilliant!...theres another Maestro.
Where did I say that I found everything that happened with MWR and Penske/Front Row to be acceptable? I agree that MWR should have been punished. In fact, you could argue that my proposed punishment in Speed's thread about all this would be a more harsh one than they got. I also said that if we were going to go the route of adding people to and removing people from the Chase, and Gordon got added, Joey should have been removed.
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Blaze
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Jr made the chase the year before they added it, he was in the 2006 chase, top 12 came in 2007 so try again
SlicedBread22
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Okay yeah that's what it was.. 10 then 12.. that's what I meant.. I knew it was 10 at one point
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Im sorry, say what you want but adding another position is just wrong. I dont care who it is.
The only thing that NASCAR should have done to KEEP ITS INTEGRITY is penalize Bowyer for doing it, dropping him from the chase and putting Newman in. That would have been a big precedent in preventing this from happening again. You could also add in fines to him and the team if you want but dont start bringing other drivers in and picking who you want in. This looks bad!
Be like the IndyCar Series adding a 34th car for the 500 because it was a big name driver didnt qualify but oh well, we will add a spot for him.
The only thing that NASCAR should have done to KEEP ITS INTEGRITY is penalize Bowyer for doing it, dropping him from the chase and putting Newman in. That would have been a big precedent in preventing this from happening again. You could also add in fines to him and the team if you want but dont start bringing other drivers in and picking who you want in. This looks bad!
Be like the IndyCar Series adding a 34th car for the 500 because it was a big name driver didnt qualify but oh well, we will add a spot for him.
VaDirt
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See? Duct tape does fix everything.
Actually its nothing like that. Do you live in a cave?
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I just know that we are going to discuss this in depth on my racing show today. If you care to call in please do. Show starts at 1pm Eastern on www.the405radio.com Call us at 1-877-297-8022
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My memory fails me
I'd love to but I live in New Zealand,...it now 2.28am on Sunday morning and I'm liquored up. Maybe you could call me and I could offer some great insight to your North American listeners about the fiasco surrounding this years chase from a downunder perspective.
Whaddaya say?....Lol
ToyYoda
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I agree with most of what you're saying DanicaFan. However I wouldn't boot Bowyer from the Chase completely. Remember, Bowyer was "locked in" after Atlanta, although NASCAR could change the definition of that too since they like to alter the rules as they go along. I would have applied the 50 point penalty post Chase, though. Bowyer should be starting the Chase 50 points out of 11th (yes, I said 11th).
ToyYoda
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It was Jr and Gordon missing the Chase in '05 and Stewart missing it in '06 that drove NASCAR to expand the Chase field to 12 drivers in 2007.
I'm glad you finally got something right.
ToyYoda
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Still waiting on you.