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MELROSEMAFIA said:
The Ward family needs to continue to twist Tony's nutz...Come up with a settlement number that is unreachable, or cleans tony out financially...Keep the tragedy in the news, so future SHR sponsors have second thoughts...A 3-4 year long wrongful death lawsuit will be a sponsorship nightmare...As stated in the Pockrass article, Tony's past will be his demise if a seasoned litigator can get him up on the stand....Sweet dreams Tony....It's not anywhere near over yet...
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Smart take. Life must be tough with a room temperature IQ.
 
MELROSEMAFIA said:
The Ward family needs to continue to twist Tony's nutz...Come up with a settlement number that is unreachable, or cleans tony out financially...Keep the tragedy in the news, so future SHR sponsors have second thoughts...A 3-4 year long wrongful death lawsuit will be a sponsorship nightmare...As stated in the Pockrass article, Tony's past will be his demise if a seasoned litigator can get him up on the stand....Sweet dreams Tony....It's not anywhere near over yet...
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They will try...but the fact that that young man was under the influence of a drug might very well screw their chances of getting a big pay day.
 
lisa said:
They will try...but the fact that that young man was under the influence of a drug might very well screw their chances of getting a big pay day.
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Yeah, a BIG payday is probably out of the question and they know it. However, I'm sure they're being advised to push for the civil suit because everybody is pretty sure he'll settle.
 
Greg said:
I appreciate the reasoning and purely as a business matter that is most sensible. But I hope he decides to continue racing them.
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He seems to really enjoy the dirt racing, it would be a shame for him not to do it anymore but like you said its probably a bad idea from the business side of it.
 
I've refrained from posting my post-hearing thoughts until now trying to come up with something that would be less harsh sounding, but there just isn't any way I can sugarcoat my feelings.

The sheer stupidity, carelessness, selfishness, and disregard for the safety of the other racers that Ward exhibited by getting into a race car after using drugs is utterly mind boggling. Surely the other drivers that competed against him on a regular basis didn't know that he used drugs, or I would hope they would have taken a stand against him before this to try to get him banned from the local tracks. Honestly, I'm thankful that Ward was the only person killed that night. Many times with DUI's the user walks away from a crash but seriously injures or kills others. I used to run Fire/Rescue, and I find it virtually impossible to have sympathy for people who get behind the wheel of any vehicle when they are drunk or doped up.

I hope the Ward's get nothing from Stewart. Sprint car racing is extremely dangerous as it is; Ward took a very dangerous sport and through his actions made it even more dangerous for every driver at the track that night.
 
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Kyle18fan said:
He seems to really enjoy the dirt racing, it would be a shame for him not to do it anymore but like you said its probably a bad idea from the business side of it.
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All true but we should celebrate big time accomplished people who don't give into the buisness side. I realize a lot more is involved and I can't articulate or know the nightmare that replays for him.

But passion is a big part of life, once of the biggest losses once youth passes. I just hope that Tony can keep that.

He has better things to do than read us, at least speaking for myself. But a part of me would like to see a Tony pissed at the Melrose naysayers.
I guess that is trivial in comparison.

But Tony punishing himself doesn't bring Ward back (rambling thoughts).
 
CamelPowered said:
I've refrained from posting my post-hearing thoughts until now trying to come up with something that would be less harsh sounding, but there just isn't any way I can sugarcoat my feelings.

The sheer stupidity, carelessness, selfishness, and disregard for the safety of the other racers that Ward exhibited by getting into a race car after using drugs is utterly mind boggling. Surely the other drivers that competed against him on a regular basis didn't know that he used drugs, or I would hope they would have taken a stand against him before this to try to get him banned from the local tracks. Honestly, I'm thankful that Ward was the only person killed that night. Many times with DUI's the user walks away from a crash but seriously injures or kills others. I used to run Fire/Rescue, and I find it virtually impossible to have sympathy for people who get behind the wheel of any vehicle when they are drunk or doped up.

I hope the Ward's get nothing from Stewart. Sprint car racing is extremely dangerous as it is; Ward took a very dangerous sport and through his actions made it even more dangerous for every driver at the track that night.
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Ok for the last time, then I'm not saying anything else on the matter. There is no way, I repeat no way to know 100% for sure that Ward smoked a joint before getting the car. Thc stays in your system for days and for regular users for weeks, this is one of the stigmas of marijuana that must change, a drug test showing 50ng/100ml only means someone has smoked a joint, it does not in anyway tell if someone is high, there is no way of knowing when that joint was smoked, for a regular user it could be the day before. So please everyone before we throw this kid under the bus lets hope they investigate and find out when he smoked last. If I'm wrong I'll gladly admit it until then I'm not throwing this kid under the bus. His family is suffering enough.
 
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The big wank in all of this, is that the state of New York hasn't any measuring level like they do for Alcohol. So under the influence can be from a trace to completely saturated. A good lawyer can tear the under the influence statement by the coroner all to pieces, because there isn't any measurement set up for the degree of under the influence. I agree it won't help their case if they do sue, it will be an obstacle that the legal team will have to get around. They will trot out witness after witness that will say Ward was just fine, and probably inhaled some second hand smoke.
 
MELROSEMAFIA said:
The Ward family needs to continue to twist Tony's nutz...Come up with a settlement number that is unreachable, or cleans tony out financially...Keep the tragedy in the news, so future SHR sponsors have second thoughts...A 3-4 year long wrongful death lawsuit will be a sponsorship nightmare...As stated in the Pockrass article, Tony's past will be his demise if a seasoned litigator can get him up on the stand....Sweet dreams Tony....It's not anywhere near over yet...
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Mr Ward, I'd advise you and your family to clean up (stop drinking and drugging) long enough to put on a good show. The only people that are being fooled are those within your own walls. Most fully coherent men of sound mind do not blame others for their own transgressions or mistakes being under the influence of mind altering substances, which by the way is not a legal defense of any kind that I know of.

Mr. Stewart will have the finest counsel money can buy. Your Alice in Wonderland dreams of mountains made of money will soon fade as you and yours come down from the euphoric effect of the drugs/alcohol you ingest to "get straight" with what's going on. Do you really miss your son or is it only a dream????
 
Dwayne said:
Ok for the last time, then I'm not saying anything else on the matter. There is no way, I repeat no way to know 100% for sure that Ward smoked a joint before getting the car. Thc stays in your system for days and for regular users for weeks, this is one of the stigmas of marijuana that must change, a drug test showing 50ng/100ml only means someone has smoked a joint, it does not in anyway tell if someone is high, there is no way of knowing when that joint was smoked, for a regular user it could be the day before. So please everyone before we throw this kid under the bus lets hope they investigate and find out when he smoked last. If I'm wrong I'll gladly admit it until then I'm not throwing this kid under the bus. His family is suffering enough.
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Yeah...I haven't posted anything much on this tragedy and I haven't watched the full video of the accident. I would say however, that the THC issue seems very odd to me. Having sampled a few substances in the past, marijuana seems like about the least likely thing one would want to be under the influence of when doing something as intense as driving a race car. It doesn't make much sense to me. Had it been an amphetamine or something that "jacks you up" I could understand it (though certainly not approve). Smoking a doobie is something a person normally does before eating a pizza and taking a nap...unless the effects have changed over the many years since I have tried it.

I do know that it is an easy drug to test for since it stays in one's system at some level for a very long time. Anyway, it was a tragedy.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...wendi-ward-open-letter-tony-stewart/16381951/

>>The following is an open letter to the public from Wendi Ward, the aunt of Kevin Ward Jr. and sister of Kevin Ward. It was read over the phone to USA TODAY Sports.

"First and most importantly, I want to say that no matter what people think or say, our family does not need others to determine what we feel or know about Kevin Ward Jr.

He is our blood, our friend, our champion. Always has been and always will be. What I want people to understand are the questions.

Why was the toxicology report even an issue? Seems to me the wrong man was on trial. Tell me why Tony Stewart was not taken in for testing, why his car wasn't impounded. Tell me how a man the size of Kevin can make a sprint car turn to the right on impact. Tell me how a lap before (the incident) everything was fine, but the following lap was poor lighting. Tell me how a NASCAR star totally forgot what caution means.

Maybe he should get a different headset so he is able to hear on the radio that the car in caution is up high, so go low. Or was he low until he rounded the corner and saw Kevin Jr. standing up for himself?

I guess we will never know why all of this was not taken into consideration. Or will we never know why a fellow driver did not check on this young man or his family? Or do we know why? I do, because I have seen the video. It's there, and it's real.

I can't speak for others. These are my opinions and concerns. I only hope some people take a minute to make sure they have done no wrong before throwing stones.

This means nothing to me, but I want to say it is my understanding that pot stays in a person's system days, weeks, possibly months. Rumor has it that it may be legalized and prescribed for some patients, so then will these people have their drivers' licenses taken away because it makes you react – supposedly -- in a certain way?

To me, that's not the case. It's known to mellow a person. We understand that the report showed marijuana, but we as a family don't believe he was under the influence or impaired at the time due to the 10 hours prior to the race that he spent with the family.

What we do believe is that maybe people react to certain situations because of anger. I've seen it in NASCAR, sports functions and even on our own roads. And yes, these people have to pay for their actions. Well, I guess it depends on who you are.

And to end this, I've heard time and time again, "We just want Kevin's story out there." Here you go. Kevin Ward Jr. was an amazing person. His life was wrapped around family, friends and racing, which he started at age 4. Just a small-town boy having fun until the days turned into years, and it then became his passion and life. The trophies, plaques and pictures that fill his home, garage and workshop show his hard work and dedication to racing – his love for the sport.

Through it all, he had the support of his family and friends behind him. He opened his life to our community. As you would go by the shop where he and his dad worked on the car for the upcoming race or after a race, the doors would be wide open and there would always be people in and out wishing him luck, sharing a story, offering a hand or simply just standing there in their own way saying, "We're here for you, bud."

It took a lot of money to live his dream, and as a family, they were able to do that. But not once did he ever think he was better than anyone else because he could afford it. That was proven when somewhere around 1,500 people came out to support and comfort us on our darkest days. It shows how many hearts and lives he touched.

The orange, white and black that was worn in honor of our champion sprint car driver was overwhelming, to say the least.

The tracks that have since honored Kevin Ward Jr. with memorial events, his name in the ESS (Empire Super Sprints) Hall of Fame, the many lives that have been changed forever – that's all because of one person's love and respect for others. And that, to me, is what a person is made of. His smile will forever be what gets us through.

Godspeed, No. 13. Aunt Wendi loves you."<<
 
Tumbleweed said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...wendi-ward-open-letter-tony-stewart/16381951/

>>The following is an open letter to the public from Wendi Ward, the aunt of Kevin Ward Jr. and sister of Kevin Ward. It was read over the phone to USA TODAY Sports.

"First and most importantly, I want to say that no matter what people think or say, our family does not need others to determine what we feel or know about Kevin Ward Jr.

He is our blood, our friend, our champion. Always has been and always will be. What I want people to understand are the questions.

Why was the toxicology report even an issue? Seems to me the wrong man was on trial. Tell me why Tony Stewart was not taken in for testing, why his car wasn't impounded. Tell me how a man the size of Kevin can make a sprint car turn to the right on impact. Tell me how a lap before (the incident) everything was fine, but the following lap was poor lighting. Tell me how a NASCAR star totally forgot what caution means.

Maybe he should get a different headset so he is able to hear on the radio that the car in caution is up high, so go low. Or was he low until he rounded the corner and saw Kevin Jr. standing up for himself?

I guess we will never know why all of this was not taken into consideration. Or will we never know why a fellow driver did not check on this young man or his family? Or do we know why? I do, because I have seen the video. It's there, and it's real.

I can't speak for others. These are my opinions and concerns. I only hope some people take a minute to make sure they have done no wrong before throwing stones.

This means nothing to me, but I want to say it is my understanding that pot stays in a person's system days, weeks, possibly months. Rumor has it that it may be legalized and prescribed for some patients, so then will these people have their drivers' licenses taken away because it makes you react – supposedly -- in a certain way?

To me, that's not the case. It's known to mellow a person. We understand that the report showed marijuana, but we as a family don't believe he was under the influence or impaired at the time due to the 10 hours prior to the race that he spent with the family.

What we do believe is that maybe people react to certain situations because of anger. I've seen it in NASCAR, sports functions and even on our own roads. And yes, these people have to pay for their actions. Well, I guess it depends on who you are.

And to end this, I've heard time and time again, "We just want Kevin's story out there." Here you go. Kevin Ward Jr. was an amazing person. His life was wrapped around family, friends and racing, which he started at age 4. Just a small-town boy having fun until the days turned into years, and it then became his passion and life. The trophies, plaques and pictures that fill his home, garage and workshop show his hard work and dedication to racing – his love for the sport.

Through it all, he had the support of his family and friends behind him. He opened his life to our community. As you would go by the shop where he and his dad worked on the car for the upcoming race or after a race, the doors would be wide open and there would always be people in and out wishing him luck, sharing a story, offering a hand or simply just standing there in their own way saying, "We're here for you, bud."

It took a lot of money to live his dream, and as a family, they were able to do that. But not once did he ever think he was better than anyone else because he could afford it. That was proven when somewhere around 1,500 people came out to support and comfort us on our darkest days. It shows how many hearts and lives he touched.

The orange, white and black that was worn in honor of our champion sprint car driver was overwhelming, to say the least.

The tracks that have since honored Kevin Ward Jr. with memorial events, his name in the ESS (Empire Super Sprints) Hall of Fame, the many lives that have been changed forever – that's all because of one person's love and respect for others. And that, to me, is what a person is made of. His smile will forever be what gets us through.

Godspeed, No. 13. Aunt Wendi loves you."<<
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Not once has this family acknowledged that Kevin Ward Jr.'s own actions were the major contributing factor and the primary cause of his own death.
 
What we also have to remember is that they have greedy ass lawyers constantly feeding them with half truths, conjecture and plain old bull**** so they can push for them to file a lawsuit so that they can get their fees.
 
Tumbleweed said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...wendi-ward-open-letter-tony-stewart/16381951/

>>The following is an open letter to the public from Wendi Ward, the aunt of Kevin Ward Jr. and sister of Kevin Ward. It was read over the phone to USA TODAY Sports.

"First and most importantly, I want to say that no matter what people think or say, our family does not need others to determine what we feel or know about Kevin Ward Jr.

He is our blood, our friend, our champion. Always has been and always will be. What I want people to understand are the questions.

Why was the toxicology report even an issue? Seems to me the wrong man was on trial. Tell me why Tony Stewart was not taken in for testing, why his car wasn't impounded. Tell me how a man the size of Kevin can make a sprint car turn to the right on impact. Tell me how a lap before (the incident) everything was fine, but the following lap was poor lighting. Tell me how a NASCAR star totally forgot what caution means.

Maybe he should get a different headset so he is able to hear on the radio that the car in caution is up high, so go low. Or was he low until he rounded the corner and saw Kevin Jr. standing up for himself?

I guess we will never know why all of this was not taken into consideration. Or will we never know why a fellow driver did not check on this young man or his family? Or do we know why? I do, because I have seen the video. It's there, and it's real.

I can't speak for others. These are my opinions and concerns. I only hope some people take a minute to make sure they have done no wrong before throwing stones.

This means nothing to me, but I want to say it is my understanding that pot stays in a person's system days, weeks, possibly months. Rumor has it that it may be legalized and prescribed for some patients, so then will these people have their drivers' licenses taken away because it makes you react – supposedly -- in a certain way?

To me, that's not the case. It's known to mellow a person. We understand that the report showed marijuana, but we as a family don't believe he was under the influence or impaired at the time due to the 10 hours prior to the race that he spent with the family.

What we do believe is that maybe people react to certain situations because of anger. I've seen it in NASCAR, sports functions and even on our own roads. And yes, these people have to pay for their actions. Well, I guess it depends on who you are.

And to end this, I've heard time and time again, "We just want Kevin's story out there." Here you go. Kevin Ward Jr. was an amazing person. His life was wrapped around family, friends and racing, which he started at age 4. Just a small-town boy having fun until the days turned into years, and it then became his passion and life. The trophies, plaques and pictures that fill his home, garage and workshop show his hard work and dedication to racing – his love for the sport.

Through it all, he had the support of his family and friends behind him. He opened his life to our community. As you would go by the shop where he and his dad worked on the car for the upcoming race or after a race, the doors would be wide open and there would always be people in and out wishing him luck, sharing a story, offering a hand or simply just standing there in their own way saying, "We're here for you, bud."

It took a lot of money to live his dream, and as a family, they were able to do that. But not once did he ever think he was better than anyone else because he could afford it. That was proven when somewhere around 1,500 people came out to support and comfort us on our darkest days. It shows how many hearts and lives he touched.

The orange, white and black that was worn in honor of our champion sprint car driver was overwhelming, to say the least.

The tracks that have since honored Kevin Ward Jr. with memorial events, his name in the ESS (Empire Super Sprints) Hall of Fame, the many lives that have been changed forever – that's all because of one person's love and respect for others. And that, to me, is what a person is made of. His smile will forever be what gets us through.

Godspeed, No. 13. Aunt Wendi loves you."<<
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sounds like auntie is priming tha lawsuit pump .
 
Was an open letter in a national newspaper really necessary? I understand the grief but this is getting out of hand.
 
Blinded by grief is the only excuse I can think off. Why isn't his toxicology report pertinent? It's done everyday to accident victims. Aunt Wendi and friends need to roll up a big fattie, chill, and STFU..
 
Bobw said:
Blinded by grief is the only excuse I can think off. Why isn't his toxicology report pertinent? It's done everyday to accident victims. Aunt Wendi and friends need to roll up a big fattie, chill, and STFU..
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BOTH sides should be able to speak out. Why should she be the only one to STFU (your word, not mine) and not Stewart?
Grief is not an excuse, it is very real.
 
Tony will speak tomorrow morning. He will express how this has affected him and how it will for the rest of his life.
Tony was examined and questioned by a state certified drug official immediately following the accident. Not a single official has said he hasn't cooperated fully.
If Ward wasn't a pot head he might have had the sense to not run down the track. The family needs to come to grips with that and that he was not a perfect angel with the mischievous smile. None of us are.
My uncle was involved in a car accident where two people died in 1961 or 62 that was not his fault. He died in 2008. Following the accident his personality completely changed, he became a loner, never married,and never drove again. It definitely F'd him up.
 
Being involved in an event that kill someone is something that I'm sure alters you for the rest of your life. Even if it's not your fault, survivor's guilt is a serious thing.
 
Bobw said:
Tony will speak tomorrow morning. He will express how this has affected him and how it will for the rest of his life.
Tony was examined and questioned by a state certified drug official immediately following the accident. Not a single official has said he hasn't cooperated fully.
If Ward wasn't a pot head he might have had the sense to not run down the track. The family needs to come to grips with that and that he was not a perfect angel with the mischievous smile. None of us are.
My uncle was involved in a car accident where two people died in 1961 or 62 that was not his fault. He died in 2008. Following the accident his personality completely changed, he became a loner, never married,and never drove again. It definitely F'd him up.
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I have refrained from chiming in on this tragedy until now. What is the point of the presser tomorrow? We know Tony feels bad. We know a kid is dead. We know the family is pissed and grieving. We now know that Tony spent 3 weeks in deep depression over the incident. We know that Tony won't be charged. We know that a civil suit is pending. I mean ****** seriously, what the hell is the point? Drama? This isn't for the Wards. Is this for Tony? The only point I can see is Tony announcing that he is done. I doubt this is the purpose. Only time will heal all of this. Let's quit resetting the clock. Please.
 
Revman said:
I have refrained from chiming in on this tragedy until now. What is the point of the presser tomorrow? We know Tony feels bad. We know a kid is dead. We know the family is pissed and grieving. We now know that Tony spent 3 weeks in deep depression over the incident. We know that Tony won't be charged. We know that a civil suit is pending. I mean ******* seriously, what the hell is the point? Drama? This isn't for the Wards. Is this for Tony? The only point I can see is Tony announcing that he is done. I doubt this is the purpose. Only time will heal all of this. Let's quit resetting the clock. Please.
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I think he knows the questions from the press is inevitable. I think having a single conference is a wise choice.
Afterwards I hope he declines to discuss the issue, because some folks or press would troll him everyday for the rest of his life.
 
Greg said:
I think he knows the questions from the press is inevitable. I think having a single conference is a wise choice.
Afterwards I hope he declines to discuss the issue, because some folks or press would troll him everyday for the rest of his life.
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In honesty, I think that the press has been great. They really have given him space IMO. Why would that stop? I think that it would be really unpopular internally in the media to behave otherwise. I mean, hell, even Pockrass has been classy (for him) throughout all of this. NASCAR Radio has put the ban on anybody with any speculative comments on their shows. I mean, I think the industry has rallied to Tony. I fail to see the need...unless Tony is done.
 
Bobw said:
Tony will speak tomorrow morning. He will express how this has affected him and how it will for the rest of his life.
Tony was examined and questioned by a state certified drug official immediately following the accident. Not a single official has said he hasn't cooperated fully.
If Ward wasn't a pot head he might have had the sense to not run down the track. The family needs to come to grips with that and that he was not a perfect angel with the mischievous smile. None of us are.
My uncle was involved in a car accident where two people died in 1961 or 62 that was not his fault. He died in 2008. Following the accident his personality completely changed, he became a loner, never married,and never drove again. It definitely F'd him up.
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How many different ways to we need to hear that this ****** Tony up? We get it as much as we can IMO. There is no need to put Tony or the Ward family through this.
 
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