Hamlin and Busch Diqualified?

[wi_racefan]

Sirius just said headlight area was modified

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[Charlie Spencer]

It’s like getting DQed when you’ve already won.
It’s all under wraps but they find what you’ve done.
And the guy in the wall is the loud laughing one.
And who would have thought, configgured?
Tech has a funny way of sneaking up on you.

 

[LARRY]

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Joe Gibbs Racing declined to appeal the penalties levied by NASCAR that stripped Denny Hamlin of his Pocono Raceway victory and cost Kyle Busch his runner-up

 

[Conover]

I hope NASCAR follows their inspection up with significant penalties, fines and docking of points. This would be done as a result of the inspection and alterations knowingly performed, which is different than being DQ’d relative to the race result. The precedent was set earlier this year for cheating with Keslowski. Anything less is grounds for favoritism.

 

[LARRY]

I hope NASCAR follows their inspection up with significant penalties, fines and docking of points. This would be done as a result of the inspection and alterations knowingly performed, which is different than being DQ’d relative to the race result. The precedent was set earlier this year for cheating with Keslowski. Anything less is grounds for favoritism.

Favoritism, as when they let the 48 car slip by with the adjustable rear window at Daytona.

 

[wi_racefan]

Scott Miller just said in an interview that they found extra layers of vinyl in the lower portion of the front fascia. Claims they weren't tiped off about it, just happened to find it.

Can't really claim extra layers was an accident lol

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[9050lx]

This isn't a black helicopter theory.... known fact NASCAR will apply the magnifying glass to those who cheat the system (Chad Knaus on line 1). Wonder if Denny or Kyle win again this season now? They're gonna be in the tech spotlight the next few weeks now at least.

Wondering if a whole lot of cars run a bit worse next time out?

 

[Charlie Spencer]

Wondering if a whole lot of cars run a bit worse next time out?

Just six of them.

 

[AdoubleU24]

Scott Miller just said in an interview that they found extra layers of vinyl in the lower portion of the front fascia. Claims they weren't tiped off about it, just happened to find it.

Can't really claim extra layers was an accident lol

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Damn, would love to know who the whistle blower was.

Here's a theory, it was KB himself since he didn't win and is out the door anyways!

 

[Conover]

Based on what is being rumored as the modification, I agree with a regular YouTube host who says this should be a level 3 penalty. Within the rules for an L3 it includes ”COUNTERFEITING OR MODIFYING SINGLE SOURCE NEXTGEN PARTS”.

What is the range on penalty? Massive:

120-180 point deduction.

25-50 playoff point deduction.

No playoff eligibility for driver and/or team owner.

6-race suspension for team member(s) on team roster.

1-2 team event roster positions subject to suspension.

NASCAR could suspend the car number for one race.

$250,000 – $500,000 fine.

 

[gnomesayin]

Can't really claim extra layers was an accident lol

They just kept trying to get it perfectly lined up, but didn't have time to scrape the old layers off.

 

[Daytripper]

If there aren't more penalties then keslowski is gonna be quite pissed off.

 

[StandOnIt]

Wondering if a whole lot of cars run a bit worse next time out?

hard to tell, the next race is a road course.

 

[9050lx]

Just six of them.

The likely ones yes.

 

[wi_racefan]

JGR statement

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[pjmolo]

Well, so much for that prediction made here that NASCAR would NEVER disqualify a Cup race winner..............

That was me.

From the 2019 Bold Prediction game . . .

No driver will lose a win due to penalty in Cup.

 

[wi_racefan]

You wouldn't put clear vinyl under the wrap unless you were trying to hide something. And you wouldn't do something like adding layers unless it was going to make you faster

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[Revman]

You wouldn't put clear vinyl under the wrap unless you were trying to hide something. And you wouldn't do something like adding layers unless it was going to make you faster

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No ****. Geez.

 

[Revman]

From the 2019 Bold Prediction game . . .

What's your point? I owned it before your post.

 

[StandOnIt]

"It was discovered"...change in our build process... we apologize for this mistake. What a crock lol.

 

[sdj]

I was raised to own it if I was wrong.

 

[BobbyFord]

Everyone in racing cheats at some point.

 

[Revman]

"It was discovered"...change in our build process... we apologize for this mistake. What a crock lol.

Interesting read....might not be as fun as drama, but education rarely is. You can read the thread if you like, but spare me a response. I already know what it is...

 

[wi_racefan]

No ****. Geez.

So much for taking this one well.....

 

[Greg]

Surely the preachers soul must be troubled and vexed whilst all the brethren and sisteren at JGR are adorned in sack cloth and ashes making prayers and supplications with great weeping.

They hear the gerbil prophets voices speaking against them after it is well nigh sun down, as they proclaim thou hast lost thine stage points too, every precious one of them mattered, dammit!

 

[Revman]

So much for taking this one well.....

LMAO. Good point. My apologies. I was holding up pretty well.

 

[2 Sweet]

So a small piece of vinyl, 1/80" thick, applied to a certain part of the front fascia, actually makes a noticeable difference?

 

[Speedbowl14]

"It was discovered"...change in our build process... we apologize for this mistake. What a crock lol.

Yeah... these are top tier racing machines where every square inch of the car- inside and out- has 1,000s of eyes on it before it hits the track. JGR making it sound like this was an accident.... hard to believe. Rather they just not release a statement other than that they wouldn't have appealed.

 

[Revman]

So a small piece of vinyl, 1/80" thick, applied to a certain part of the front fascia, actually makes a noticeable difference?

Reading my pos #63 from Bozi...who is blocked by Moody which makes him credible explains this very well.

 

[Speedbowl14]

So a small piece of vinyl, 1/80" thick, applied to a certain part of the front fascia, actually makes a noticeable difference?

The cars penalized finished 1-2... and the people who "accidently" put it on have engineering degrees and thousands of hours working on racecars and on simulators...so...yes, probably.

 

[aunty dive]

So a small piece of vinyl, 1/80" thick, applied to a certain part of the front fascia, actually makes a noticeable difference?

Managing the airflow.

 

[Daytripper]

Everyone in racing cheats at some point.

If you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin

 

[wi_racefan]

So a small piece of vinyl, 1/80" thick, applied to a certain part of the front fascia, actually makes a noticeable difference?

They wouldn't be doing it if it didn't

 

[Revman]

So a small piece of vinyl, 1/80" thick, applied to a certain part of the front fascia, actually makes a noticeable difference?

Here's another piece for you...

 

[2 Sweet]

The cars penalized finished 1-2... and the people who "accidently" put it on have engineering degrees and thousands of hours working on racecars and on simulators...so...yes, probably.

Managing the airflow.

They wouldn't be doing it if it didn't

Yeah, good points. It's just hard to wrap my head around something seemingly insignificant actually making a measurable difference

 

[2 Sweet]

Here's another piece for you...

Yeah, "a little bit"

I'm curious to know how much it truly affected the performance of the car. Fascinating stuff

 

[Revman]

Yeah, "a little bit"

I'm curious to know how much it truly affected the performance of the car. Fascinating stuff

Man, we playing in tenths if not hundredths of a second.....I am sure that it mattered. We will find out in Michigan for sure.

 

[sdj]

I figure ole Joe is going to have a come to Jesus meeting over this for sure.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

They just kept trying to get it perfectly lined up, but didn't have time to scrape the old layers off.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

"It was discovered"

Passive voice.