Hamlin - Logano apparently not over.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2013/03/27/joey-logano-denny-hamlin-wreck-text/2025371/

Roger Penske told the Associated Press on Wednesday that Joey Logano and Denny Hamlin have exchanged text messages since their final-lap crash at Fontana last weekend that left Hamlin hospitalized with a fractured vertebra.

Penske said he's also sent text messages to Hamlin, who is expected to miss at least six weeks. Penske and Logano, one of his drivers, were playing in the pro-am leading up to this week's PGA Houston Open. Logano twice turned down interview requests.

"I've texted back and forth with him and said that we're thinking about him," Penske said. "Obviously, we're hoping for a speedy recovery. It's never good to have a driver out for a period of time.
"These guys are racing hard, and it's the last lap and it's just the way the cars got together," Penske said. "The way Denny hit the wall was very unfortunate. … It's never good to have a driver out for a period of time."

On Wednesday night, Hamlin confirmed to USA TODAY Sports that he had been in touch with Logano and Penske, but the exchanges were short and unproductive. "Nothing went that well," Hamlin said.

Logano told USA TODAY Sports on Monday that he didn't intentionally wreck Hamlin, nor was he aware his former Joe Gibbs Racing teammate was injured when he told Fox after the Auto Club 400: "He probably shouldn't have done what he did last week (at Bristol), so that's what he gets."

Logano insisted he was not trying to wreck Hamlin "in any way, shape or form."
"We raced each other hard, we pushed each other up the racetrack and there were no intentions of wrecking each other," he said. "You want to rub each other a little bit, and that's part of the race, but it's just unfortunate he hit in probably the worst possible spot he could have.
 
FenderBumper said:
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Logano insisted he was not trying to wreck Hamlin "in any way, shape or form."
"We raced each other hard, we pushed each other up the racetrack and there were no intentions of wrecking each other," he said. "
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"We"? He got a French mouse in his pocket? How did Hamlin "push"up into him? Toast overdrove the corner and he pushed up into Hamlin. Little pecckerhead.
 
Dustin Long‏@dustinlong2m
#NASCAR … JGR official says there will be no announcement on a replacement driver for Denny Hamlin on teleconference with JD Gibbs now.

Hmm, didn't someone Tweet that sadler was named?

David Newton ‏@DNewtonespn1m
JD Gibbs said he doesn't believe Joey knew Denny was hurt when he made comments after race. #nascar
 
Bobw said:
"We"? He got a French mouse in his pocket? How did Hamlin "push"up into him? Toast overdrove the corner and he pushed up into Hamlin. Little pecckerhead.
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dude, watch the video. Denny was holding him down, Joey pushed up and they got tangled and slid up even more. Drivers never explain this stuff very well. Watch Hamlin pushing against the #22 and you'll see how that gets him loose and sends him up even more. Hamlin had a choice to move up a bit and give a reasonable amount of racing room. He decided not to. desrespect both ways for sure.

Denny is an ass for not taking the high line and going for the win instead of trying to make a point with Joey. that's a bad decision that cost him.
 
David Newton ‏@DNewtonespn2m
JD Gibbs doesn't believe Logano was trying to wreck Hamln.
 
Bobw said:
"We"? He got a French mouse in his pocket? How did Hamlin "push"up into him? Toast overdrove the corner and he pushed up into Hamlin. Little pecckerhead.
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Did you stop watching after Joey went up into Hamlin and right before they wrecked? Seems like it.. because Hamlin had plenty of room to move up. If he wasn't trying to wreck Logano, then why did he spin left? Regardless of anything that even happened on track it was in Denny's hands. He should have called Joey last week and instead assumed it was over because "they never talked"... stupidest thing Ive ever heard. Denny did this to himself driving like an idiot at Bristol, all Joey did was exactly what he needed to do. Tell me, which driver is ahead in points? If Hamlin could get out of his messed up head long enough to step into the real world for a few he might have had some better finishes by now. Instead he's having a meltdown because the former third wheel at JGR has been replaced by him, and has now gone on to bigger and better things. Joey did nothing wrong whatsoever this entire SEASON let alone last week other than drive hard to try to win. Now, I may be mistaken.. but is that not the point of racing? Who cares what people thinkoff track, wont affect the points lol. Any driver that doesn't think the win is more important than the respect should retire now. Joey Logano is going to go on to do great things and all of you people that hate him now will eventually be cheering for him just like 90% of the Jimmie Johnson and Dale Jr fans. Its not hard to root for a driver that already has made it. Im just glad I'll always be able to say I was going for Joey before he became a superstar.
 
Nothing new Dennys tweets did a lot of twitching prior to the wreck as well (hush child etc... yada yada...).
 
Greg said:
Nothing new Dennys tweets did a lot of twitching prior to the wreck as well (hush child etc... yada yada...).
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Seriously, nothing like basically saying "look, either do something about it or shut up".. looks like he got exactly what he was looking for. I hope he's okay but I LOVE that he is going to miss races and probably any hope whatsoever of even making the chase let alone being a threat for the championship this year. Just because he brought it on himself. Bet he doesn't race Joey so hard next time. Now it time for Tony to learn that lesson.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Seriously, nothing like basically saying "look, either do something about it or shut up".. looks like he got exactly what he was looking for. I hope he's okay but I LOVE that he is going to miss races and probably any hope whatsoever of even making the chase let alone being a threat for the championship this year. Just because he brought it on himself. Bet he doesn't race Joey so hard next time. Now it time for Tony to learn that lesson.
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Really? Denny getting hurt was the only bad part of all this. It wasn't done to him, but he didn't earn being hurt. Nobody does.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Did you stop watching after Joey went up into Hamlin and right before they wrecked? Seems like it.. because Hamlin had plenty of room to move up.
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Common sense, or a spotter, would have told Denny "sh*t! We slowed down a little! That means Kyle could be on our outside! I better not move up the track."

But hey, it's your story.
 
Guys, watch again. Hamlin couldn't move up much, if at all, as Busch was closing way too fast to do so.

I still hold that this was pretty much a result of racing hard and not wanting to give an inch to each other. But half you you say it's all Logano's fault, half of y'all say it's all Hamlin. There might have been some hard feelings going in, but what we saw was mostly just hard ass racing.
 
VaDirt said:
Guys, watch again. Hamlin couldn't move up much, if at all, as Busch was closing way too fast to do so.

I still hold that this was pretty much a result of racing hard and not wanting to give an inch to each other. But half you you say it's all Logano's fault, half of y'all say it's all Hamlin. There might have been some hard feelings going in, but what we saw was mostly just hard ass racing.
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That's exactly what it was but this borderline obsession people have with making others see things their way is getting to be tedious and may soon render this board all but unbearable.

Last week was last week, FFS.
 
#17D500winner said:
That's exactly what it was but this borderline obsession people have with making others see things their way is getting to be tedious and may soon render this board all but unbearable.

Last week was last week, FFS.
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Yet you felt compelled to give your 2 cents. :rolleyes:

If you don't like the thread, wander off into one you do. All this over done nanny crap is what will render this board unbearable. Fans are excited about a race and are chatting about it. Get involved or don't get involved. Don't even read it. Watch Martinsville with a blank mind and wonder why this or that happened. Have fun. There's a Martinsville thread up already. Go there. Have fun chatting about the future. :rolleyes:
 
Not a word from the track owner Penske about fixing the track to make it safer. That would show you were sorry and you didn't want it to happen again. He is just as responsible for Hamlin's injury as Joey is IMO.
 
Yikes! What happens in a corner could have been decided on the straight away. The reason Denny was 2.5 lanes up was he attempted to pinch Joey's entry into corner by using a down the straight left shuffle. This accomplishes two things pinches Joey's entry and also causes him to make late adjustments before corner entry which causes unsteadiness in the weight transfer. When Joey entered low he was not balanced and not gonna back out, but that ok if you square side your opponent he will just move up out of line and slow.

This is where we are questioning what happened, Denny got loose from being side moved, could he have corrected and come in third? Or was the loose condition uncorrectable and he really had to hit Joey's left rear? I think he stood on it hoping for one of two things 1. Run Joey nose first in wall and finish second or 2. Hold your foot on it and get "straightened out" off of Joey's quarter panel finish third.

I do know one thing, he was on gas pedal when he shoulda been on brake slowing his speed and turning it, not sliding sideways full throttle so that when your nose hits the flat your rear spinning tires "dig in" to banking and fling you head first into infield wall.
 
VaDirt said:
Guys, watch again. Hamlin couldn't move up much, if at all, as Busch was closing way too fast to do so.

I still hold that this was pretty much a result of racing hard and not wanting to give an inch to each other. But half you you say it's all Logano's fault, half of y'all say it's all Hamlin. There might have been some hard feelings going in, but what we saw was mostly just hard ass racing.
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Maybe if Busch wasn't already gone by by the time they wrecked..o_O
 
FenderBumper said:
Yet you felt compelled to give your 2 cents. :rolleyes:

If you don't like the thread, wander off into one you do. All this over done nanny crap is what will render this board unbearable. Fans are excited about a race and are chatting about it. Get involved or don't get involved. Don't even read it. Watch Martinsville with a blank mind and wonder why this or that happened. Have fun. There's a Martinsville thread up already. Go there. Have fun chatting about the future. :rolleyes:
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Man, take a step back for a second or two.
 
#17D500winner said:
That's exactly what it was but this borderline obsession people have with making others see things their way is getting to be tedious and may soon render this board all but unbearable.

Last week was last week, FFS.
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Ditto. I'm really tired of all the petty pissing going on lately.

People chatting about something you aren't interested in ticks you off.

All the negative comments about what people choose to chat about pisses me off.

I create thread topics that suit me and a few others. Might I suggest you do the same?
 
FenderBumper said:
All the negative comments about what people choose to chat about pisses me off.
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So... you're pissed off?? :)

I'm betting that Denny's spotter had told him that the 18 was coming hard on the outside so Denny knew that he couldn't go up there without possible contact.

I also am betting that Denny wanted to crowd Joey and hold him down so that Joey would have to get out of the throttle.

And it looked like, as SOI sidd, that Denny was in the gas and turned left in an effort to hook Joey's right rear corner. It may just have been the angle of the cars. Only Denny knows.

StandOnIt said:
Not a word from the track owner Penske about fixing the track to make it safer.
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Your assertion is correct that the track owner should have acted sooner. Maybe it should have been Roger who spoke up. I don't know. But Penske sold controlling interest in the track to ISC in 1996 in a merger of sorts. Although I believe that there is still a partnership between Penske and ISC, Roger is no longer the front man at Fontana or Michigan. I don't know what ownership percentage he still holds.
 
back ta op.
penske/logano flew ta Houston just ta play golf ?
hardly. played w/ tha folks that pay tha bills on #22---Shell corp big whigs.
woulda luved ta been caddy in that group.
 
robbybee said:
So... you're pissed off?? :)

I'm betting that Denny's spotter had told him that the 18 was coming hard on the outside so Denny knew that he couldn't go up there without possible contact.

I also am betting that Denny wanted to crowd Joey and hold him down so that Joey would have to get out of the throttle.

And it looked like, as SOI sidd, that Denny was in the gas and turned left in an effort to hook Joey's right rear corner. It may just have been the angle of the cars. Only Denny knows.



Your assertion is correct that the track owner should have acted sooner. Maybe it should have been Roger who spoke up. I don't know. But Penske sold controlling interest in the track to ISC in 1996 in a merger of sorts. Although I believe that there is still a partnership between Penske and ISC, Roger is no longer the front man at Fontana or Michigan. I don't know what ownership percentage he still holds.
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Who knows how much he owns in stock or what whatever in ISC, but Penske also owned North Carolina Speedway, (rockingham) and Nazareth Speedway(Pennsylvania International Raceway) that were all merged with ISC. It just gets me that I am not hearing anybody in the media putting the heat on about safety issues. If the safer barrier was there as it should be..may be Dennys $25,000 fine money could be used as a start?
 
StandOnIt said:
Who knows how much he owns in stock or what whatever in ISC, but Penske also owned North Carolina Speedway, (rockingham) and Nazareth Speedway(Pennsylvania International Raceway) that were all merged with ISC. It just gets me that I am not hearing anybody in the media putting the heat on about safety issues. If the safer barrier was there as it should be..may be Dennys $25,000 fine money could be used as a start?
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I want a safer barrier put up there too, but it has only been 4 days and it is about 361 days before they return.

I am expecting that it will happen, but today or in the fall, it is all the same to me. If Indy cars run there after the Baltimore classic, I want them installed prior as well.
 
You can't stop all the deaths from happening, or career ending injuries, but the public is fickle..they go for the excitement and for the wrecks, but when a driver gets killed, that is another story, even fans who didn't like the driver don't want that to happen to anybody. Weldon's death last year was a fluke, he ramped up in the air and the car twisted wrong into the fence, tragedies like that and Daytona are hard to avoid, can't say for sure Denny would have walked away, but Danica did in a similar situation when she hit the safer barrier . Boogidy boogidy let put up the safer barriers boys.
 
StandOnIt said:
You can't stop all the deaths from happening, or career ending injuries, but the public is fickle..they go for the excitement and for the wrecks, but when a driver gets killed, that is another story, even fans who didn't like the driver don't want that to happen to anybody. Weldon's death last year was a fluke, he ramped up in the air and the car twisted wrong into the fence, tragedies like that and Daytona are hard to avoid, can't say for sure Denny would have walked away, but Danica did in a similar situation when she hit the safer barrier . Boogidy boogidy let put up the safer barriers boys.
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When the speeds on a track reach over 200mph and SAFER walls exist, I have to think they should be installed.
 
#17D500winner said:
When the speeds on a track reach over 200mph and SAFER walls exist, I have to think they should be installed.
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Here's another thing. Carl Dumped Brad and they both walked away from a really high speed situation, all the Daytona wrecks...And Nascar is on the horn patting themselves on the back about their safer car. Yeah it is safer, they paid a few engineers to make it that way. But the real cost involved was passed on to the racing teams that had to buy and build the cars, that didn't cost Nascar a cent. Safety at the track..different matter, that is all on the track owner and most of the tracks are ISC(nascar) owned.
 
StandOnIt said:
Here's another thing. Carl Dumped Brad and they both walked away from a really high speed situation, all the Daytona wrecks...And Nascar is on the horn patting themselves on the back about their safer car. Yeah it is safer, they paid a few engineers to make it that way. But the real cost involved was passed on to the racing teams that had to buy and build the cars, that didn't cost Nascar a cent. Safety at the track..different matter, that is all on the track owner and most of the tracks are ISC(nascar) owned.
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If I were a driver and made the money which many of them do, I'd make sure they were installed for my own safety. No amount of money can bring me back from the dead and I can't spend it from the grave.
 
#17D500winner said:
If I were a driver and made the money which many of them do, I'd make sure they were installed for my own safety. No amount of money can bring me back from the dead and I can't spend it from the grave.
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I'd be interested to see how the drivers would react when asked that. Like who would say what, which drivers prefer their money over their safety? Hmmmmm...
 
I'd be interested to see just one reporter pin down Pemberton in a press conference or at least write an article about it.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I'd be interested to see how the drivers would react when asked that. Like who would say what, which drivers prefer their money over their safety? Hmmmmm...
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. ISC track detrimental to condemn no safe barrier. So drivers just smile snd and talk about the weather.
 
If the drivers said anything about that, they would end up in the trailer with the ol, you need us, we don't need you story...they hung up Denny this year for all of them to see what happens.
 
No but I mean if the driver were asked to put some of their own money in to help make the SAFER barriers. I know that would never happen but I'm just curious which one's would be willing to.
 
Yeah well, I don't think that proved right. Given the fact that he's not around to continue to say it. I mean no disrespect but that statement alone if you think about it is enough to prove they do. They've come a long way in safety since he was around directly because of his death. The drivers know better than that nowadays.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Seriously, nothing like basically saying "look, either do something about it or shut up".. looks like he got exactly what he was looking for. I hope he's okay but I LOVE that he is going to miss races and probably any hope whatsoever of even making the chase let alone being a threat for the championship this year. Just because he brought it on himself. Bet he doesn't race Joey so hard next time. Now it time for Tony to learn that lesson.
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So you "LOVE" the fact a racecar driver is hurt and can't race??? Doesn't seem like something a race fan would cheer about, or any decent person for that matter.You going to feel the same if Joey's the driver sitting home next time?
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
So you "LOVE" the fact a racecar driver is hurt and can't race??? Doesn't seem like something a race fan would cheer about, or any decent person for that matter.You going to feel the same if Joey's the driver sitting home next time?
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You guys are taking it all wrong, I don't like that he's hurt. I've said that several times.. I just like that his championship hopes are gone because I don't like him is all.:XXROFL:

StandOnIt said:
This sliced bread kid has done more harm than good with his obsessive Joey drivel, for any Joey fans around here, and he is so ate up with it, that he has lost sight of human decency. I pity the fool
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Pity me? You're the one who has to put up with it not me lol. I'm fine with everything I say and I'm glad you guys don't like it that's why I say half the things I do is just to get a rise out of you guys. It works all the time too, it's pretty much amusement to me when you guys have ur little "I'm better than you" moments over my senseless drabble. Eat it up guys! GO JOEY!!!!
:partytime
 
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