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Charlie Spencer said:
Just for clarification, Dodge would have been unacceptable too?
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I think the case could be made either way for Dodge. I would say no.

Clearly you're missing the point. Why would you want a Japanese company to represent American stock car racing on an international stage?
 
wi_racefan said:
I think the case could be made either way for Dodge. I would say no.

Clearly you're missing the point. Why would you want a Japanese company to represent American stock car racing on an international stage?
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Why wouldn't I? They're a participating manufacturer.

NASCAR is trying to expand beyond the US. We can debate the wisdom of that decision, but having an international company might be more fitting on an international stage.

It's also trying to attract other manufacturers. Having a Toyota would send the message, "See, NASCAR isn't strictly about US-based companies; other manufacturers are welcome too!"

All of this is rhetorical, for debate purposes. Personally, I don't give a rotund rodent's hirsute hindquarters. It was a one-off run two years ago.
 
wi_racefan said:
I think the case could be made either way for Dodge. I would say no.

Clearly you're missing the point. Why would you want a Japanese company to represent American stock car racing on an international stage?
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Here is the bleeping point which continually keeps getting ignored. As usual, thread bender Revman is playing victim in the off season, crying in his beer wants a participation trophy for a manufacturer who has only won three titles in 25 years.

France said he went to Hendrick because that was the winningest team in NASCAR history and wanted that kind of success to help represent NASCAR.
 
StandOnIt said:
Here is the bleeping point which continually keeps getting ignored. As usual, thread bender Revman is playing victim in the off season, crying in his beer wants a participation trophy for a manufacturer who has only won three titles in 25 years.

France said he went to Hendrick because that was the winningest team in NASCAR history and wanted that kind of success to help represent NASCAR.
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Then why didn't he have the ****** balls to tell the other OEMs ahead of time?
 
Revman said:
Then why didn't he have the ****** balls to tell the other OEMs ahead of time?
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This was a side project that had nothing to do with Cup, Xfinity, or Truck competition. France knew who he wanted to work with, and there was no requirement for open bidding or communications with other manufacturers. It's not a question of trying to keep it quiet; there was simply no reason to involve Ford or Toyota.
 
Revman said:
Did you see the Next Gen development car?
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Sorry, I don't see any correlation between the two. In fact, I think using the development of the Next Gen car is an argument AGAINST involving more people. I ask the question again. How would YOU represent three manufacturers with one car in a meaningful way that any non-NASCAR fan boy is going to understand? Would it have made ANY difference if the car had a chassis assembled by JGR, an engine by Roush Yates, and a Chevy body hung by Hendrick? I am also reminded of the old comment that a camel is a horse designed by a committee. I too find it disingenuous that in one breath you lament Toyota not being involved, and then poo poo the whole thing for no reason other than they weren't. I also agree that given the time constraints and desire to get this project done, limiting it to one of the only teams that could handle basically every facet of it in one complex was probably the right move. Getting into a bunch of intramural squabbles and people trying not to divulge their secrets to their competitors wouldn't have helped anything.
 
It would have been just fine.

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Charlie Spencer said:
This was a side project that had nothing to do with Cup, Xfinity, or Truck competition. France knew who he wanted to work with, and there was no requirement for open bidding or communications with other manufacturers. It's not a question of trying to keep it quiet; there was simply no reason to involve Ford or Toyota.
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So I guess Ford and Toyota don't represent Nascar then.
 
Formerjackman said:
Sorry, I don't see any correlation between the two. In fact, I think using the development of the Next Gen car is an argument AGAINST involving more people. I ask the question again. How would YOU represent three manufacturers with one car in a meaningful way that any non-NASCAR fan boy is going to understand? Would it have made ANY difference if the car had a chassis assembled by JGR, an engine by Roush Yates, and a Chevy body hung by Hendrick? I am also reminded of the old comment that a camel is a horse designed by a committee. I too find it disingenuous that in one breath you lament Toyota not being involved, and then poo poo the whole thing for no reason other than they weren't. I also agree that given the time constraints and desire to get this project done, limiting it to one of the only teams that could handle basically every facet of it in one complex was probably the right move. Getting into a bunch of intramural squabbles and people trying not to divulge their secrets to their competitors wouldn't have helped anything.
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The Next Gen development car was a non-badged piece...developmental body. Yeah, it would have made a difference if the OEMs had come together to produce something that represented the whole sport--not just one team and manufacturer. Disingenuous? Really? Why would I support a backdoor deal with the favored NASCAR son? Yes, the only reason I poo poo the whole thing is because Toyota wasn't involved....and WE wanted to be. Are you at all curious as to why France didn't present your arguments to the other OEMs? Hell of a way to treat "partners." This thing was a Chain Gang self-stroking exercise accomplished with the worst of what NASCAR is. Why would I be interested in that? BTW...I'm not sure how much you know about how TRD works when you refer to the Chain Gang as the only entity that could get this done. Toyota--the OEM--got into this for this kind of thing--the engineering.........Yeah, the OEM....one that builds its own motors and sets the standard for OEM support. This whole thing was a slap in the face to the other OEMs, and something prospective OEMs should be looking at moving forward.... I get a kick out of the Chain Gang apologists, but come on man. Please address the way in which Jim and The Felon worked this deal. 1) Kept it secret, and didn't tell the other "partners", and 2) Only when Toyota and Ford got pissed did they decide to open up the garage for the other OEMs to see. Nothing to see here. No worries. bull****.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
This was a side project that had nothing to do with Cup, Xfinity, or Truck competition. France knew who he wanted to work with, and there was no requirement for open bidding or communications with other manufacturers. It's not a question of trying to keep it quiet; there was simply no reason to involve Ford or Toyota.
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That is complete bull****. You represent the sport that includes the "partners." Way weak sauce argument. Sorry. Felon doing Felon things.
 
Whizzer said:
OH! NO! Are you suggesting there might have been collusion between Hendrick Motorsports (gasp!) and NASCAR? God forbid that might be something that would happen! :rolleyes: :idunno: :sarcasm:
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I'd never suggest that! That would be like accusing Felon of bribery, and NASCAR of crapping on their "partners." Wait.
 
Revman said:
The Next Gen development car was a non-badged piece...developmental body. Yeah, it would have made a difference if the OEMs had come together to produce something that represented the whole sport--not just one team and manufacturer. Disingenuous? Really? Why would I support a backdoor deal with the favored NASCAR son? Yes, the only reason I poo poo the whole thing is because Toyota wasn't involved....and WE wanted to be. Are you at all curious as to why France didn't present your arguments to the other OEMs? Hell of a way to treat "partners." This thing was a Chain Gang self-stroking exercise accomplished with the worst of what NASCAR is. Why would I be interested in that? BTW...I'm not sure how much you know about how TRD works when you refer to the Chain Gang as the only entity that could get this done. Toyota--the OEM--got into this for this kind of thing--the engineering.........Yeah, the OEM....one that builds its own motors and sets the standard for OEM support. This whole thing was a slap in the face to the other OEMs, and something prospective OEMs should be looking at moving forward.... I get a kick out of the Chain Gang apologists, but come on man. Please address the way in which Jim and The Felon worked this deal. 1) Kept it secret, and didn't tell the other "partners", and 2) Only when Toyota and Ford got pissed did they decide to open up the garage for the other OEMs to see. Nothing to see here. No worries. bull****.
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Look, if you want to rag on Jim France, take a number. As I have said, he has been a HUGE disappointment to me leading NASCAR. As for the "Felon", all he did was answer the phone and take the deal, and it's not HIS job to see that Ford and Toyota didn't get their feelings hurt. Honestly, despite the rhetoric, I doubt they cared that MUCH, but they had to throw some red meat out in the water to satisfy the sharks like you. Next, yes TRD is capable, but they don't have 100% of their program, including engines, carbon fiber and their technology center all on the same campus. I will continue to maintain two things. First, I don't think there was much of any value to the manufacturers to split the project up, either from a practical sense, or from a marketing sense. Second, I don't think any one organization could have gotten this done this good this fast except HMS, and throwing other manufacturers together in "collaboration" would have made the process even slower. You can piss and moan all you want, but I'll die on that hill.
 
StandOnIt said:
Eh, he will just come up with something else. I have faith in Revman. He's looking a a long season this year.
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"But this will be the year Denny finally gets a championship and defeats that evil felon Jeffy. I can feel it he can definitely do it this time. He's a champion!"






Quote from Revman - Year 2047
 
Formerjackman said:
Look, if you want to rag on Jim France, take a number. As I have said, he has been a HUGE disappointment to me leading NASCAR. As for the "Felon", all he did was answer the phone and take the deal, and it's not HIS job to see that Ford and Toyota didn't get their feelings hurt. Honestly, despite the rhetoric, I doubt they cared that MUCH, but they had to throw some red meat out in the water to satisfy the sharks like you. Next, yes TRD is capable, but they don't have 100% of their program, including engines, carbon fiber and their technology center all on the same campus. I will continue to maintain two things. First, I don't think there was much of any value to the manufacturers to split the project up, either from a practical sense, or from a marketing sense. Second, I don't think any one organization could have gotten this done this good this fast except HMS, and throwing other manufacturers together in "collaboration" would have made the process even slower. You can piss and moan all you want, but I'll die on that hill.
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Fair, but I don't agree....and the way this came to be was the worst of NASCAR leadership....which is currently on full display.
 
Revman said:
Fair, but I don't agree....and the way this came to be was the worst of NASCAR leadership....which is currently on full display.
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You will get no argument from me about NASCAR management. I'm beginning to believe that gang couldn't pour piss out of a boot if you wrote the instructions on the heel.
 
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