I don't get it.

KTMLew01 said:
Let me help you. Just another gimmick. Get rid of the splitter and take the tapered spacer off. I'd love to see a couple races a year where the leader was on his/her own lap. ******* school em. let the best man...err...woman win. Forget parity. IT SUCKS!
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I take it you loved last fall's Dover race and last year's Coke 600
 
aunty dive said:
Need to see it for half a season before I decide.
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KTMLew01 said:
Let me help you. Just another gimmick. Get rid of the splitter and take the tapered spacer off. I'd love to see a couple races a year where the leader was on his/her own lap. ******* school em. let the best man...err...woman win. Forget parity. IT SUCKS!
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You didn't help at all, Mr. McFly.

Consider joining the rest of us in the present.
 
KTMLew01 said:
Let. Them. Race. Let them build what's fast. If one guy hits on something he kicks ass until the rest catch up. These are pros right?
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Here, I agree with you.

My one, short, backward glance. I'm over it now.
 
It sure seemed like there were a lot of speeding penalties in the Atlanta race.
 
Nitro Dude said:
It sure seemed like there were a lot of speeding penalties in the Atlanta race.
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I am good with that, it is a test of discipline as much as anything else. Driver mistakes being exploded out exponentially is a good thing.
I have not completly formed an opinion on the five minute rule yet, but I do like a wreck being treated more harshly than a parts failure.

Driver mistakes are more costly now, but you still have to go fast to win. String that out over long green runs with tire degradation and tire management and some great things will happen.
 
29-4 said:
NASCAR is allowing the field to catch up to the leader through an arbitrary caution. This is the equivalent of basketball awarding free points to the team that is losing at the end of every quarter.
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Not really it's more like a football team getting to the one yard line right before halftime but the clock runs out and then the other team gets the ball to start the second half...
 
kkfan91 said:
I wasn't watching on tv, so maybe they failed to show it but I know on twitter they were saying how Austin Dillon was pushing hard to get from 12th to 10th. As always I believe it's a TV not covering more then the top 5 thing.
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At one point, I noticed there was a battle for second on the scoring monitor, but FOX was only focused on the leader. This was shortly after they cut away from a different battle for position.
 
jws926 said:
I cant even............., no, having one car on the lead would suck, and that would be for a very boring "race".
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Racing was like this often back in the day, it's called a good set up and covering the field, now a days it's just the same old BS, cars that look like each other and race exactly like each other. Nascar has long since missed the boat and they wonder why there are so many empty seats in the stands and at home. People want to identify with the brand of car that is racing, pretty hard to do when at 180mph, they all look the same. Back in the 80s and early 90s you could tell a Ford from a Buick from a Chevy and so forth. Granted most cars on the production line these days look a lot alike, but at least for the most part on the street you can tell them apart. Like some one else said parity has come with the sacrifice of innovation and ingenuity. I still will watch a race, but I seriously can't remember the last time I watched a Cup, Xfinity, or truck race from start to finish, must be at least 5 years and this coming from a guy who would plan his Sundays around the race.
 
On the stages... I remain in the mode of wait-and-see. So far I'm favorable.

On the changes in championship format... I'm completely sold. It is entirely better than last year because the relevance of the regular season has been restored, and it rewards full year performance. Not a fan of the winner-take-all finale, but that was the same last year.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Racing was like this often back in the day, it's called a good set up and covering the field, ...
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It's also called boring, especially week in and week out. 'Back in the day' doesn't automatically make something good.

I agree with the rest of your points, particularly the ones about manufacturer differences.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
It's also called boring, especially week in and week out. 'Back in the day' doesn't automatically make something good.

I agree with the rest of your points, particularly the ones about manufacturer differences.
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True ...but is the racing good with the spec cars we have now?
 
I'm sure that folks that pay big money to see a non-racing sporting event (i.e. baseball, football, basketball) that turns into a rout aren't exactly thrilled with the outcome.

But it happens on a somewhat regular basis and it makes those events that do result in a close finish that much more authentic.

None of the sports mentioned artificially levels the playing field (score) throughout the event in order let the "have-nots" catch up to the "haves" to ensure a close, exciting outcome.

And this argument that at least the segment cautions seem to have eliminated the phantom debris cautions is just plain nuts.

It's like saying that you have to pick between two necessary evils. Why not just eliminate the boat of 'em ?
 
Mopardh9 said:
True ...but is the racing good with the spec cars we have now?
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That depends on one's definition of 'good racing'. I'd rather see what we saw at Atlanta this Sunday on a regular basis than a week-to-week dose of Truex at Charlotte last May. That kind of thing is entertaining once or twice a season, at most. Your opinion may be different.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Because they would never speed on pit road if they had a speedometer, right? ;)
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Dunno, but at least they'd have an instrument that shows them the data they're being penalized on. NASCAR never announced a speeding penalty as 'exceeding 2200 RPM in 2nd gear'. The penalties are in average MPH. Basing your speed on a tach reading gained while attempting to maintain a constant distance behind another vehicle (likely with other vehicles in between) has always seemed like a shaky proposition.

What inspired this was my attempting to respond to my wife's astonished, 'You mean the don't have speedometers'. I couldn't tell her why not.

They already have a 5 MPH cushion. Regardless of device, they're going to push it anyway.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Dunno, but at least they'd have an instrument that shows them the data they're being penalized on. NASCAR never announced a speeding penalty as 'exceeding 2200 RPM in 2nd gear'. The penalties are in average MPH. Basing your speed on a tach reading gained while attempting to maintain a constant distance behind another vehicle (likely with other vehicles in between) has always seemed like a shaky proposition.

What inspired this was my attempting to respond to my wife's astonished, 'You mean the don't have speedometers'. I couldn't tell her why not.

They already have a 5 MPH cushion. Regardless of device, they're going to push it anyway.
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They already have the means of determining that they are speeding. It's the tach and the idiot lights. The tack and gear ratio are calculated to give an accurate measurement of speed. They have it down it's just that they push the limits. A speedometer would not change that.
 
pjmolo said:
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None of the sports mentioned artificially levels the playing field (score) throughout the event in order let the "have-nots" catch up to the "haves" to ensure a close, exciting outcome. ...
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I'm about ready to regard the stages as separate races, although not exactly heats.

As to other sports, I may decide to think of this like gymnastics. One guy can be judged best on the rings and / or parallel bars, but someone else can still win the overall competition. Or maybe like that golf format where score is kept by who wins each hole, not overall strokes. You could win some holes by huge margins, while the other guy narrowly wins on more holes. I think I like the golf analogy better since it's scored, whereas gymnastics is judged.

Any resemblance to the Electoral College is purely coincidental, I promise.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
They already have the means of determining that they are speeding. It's the tach and the idiot lights. The tack and gear ratio are calculated to give an accurate measurement of speed. They have it down it's just that they push the limits. A speedometer would not change that.
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If it's precalculated, what's with the parade laps with two packs each following separate pace cars at pit road speed? Just an obsolete tradition?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
If it's precalculated, what's with the parade laps with two packs each following separate pace cars at pit road speed? Just an obsolete tradition?
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Yes, it's precalculated.

There are numerous articles out there on this subject. Calculating the tach reading for pit road is done long before they hit the track and do pace laps. You can read or not read this if you wish. It's rather dated now but the same science applies.

http://buildingspeed.org/blog/2009/07/27/pit_road_speeding_explained/

In any event, if they had a speedometer or even their wife sitting beside them telling them to slow down as they pit, they will continue to push the limits just as they do now. That's what they do.
 
The difference is with a speedometer drivers would be able to know their speeds when cornering and it would thus make them more consistent. NASCAR doesn't like that.
 
We’re never going to see authentic racing nor scratch the surface of the entertainment potential until we see greater numbers of stoppages.

The enhancement of inverting the field, or a portion of it, is also sorely needed.

Further experimentation should follow. I.E. the cars on odd positions thru 9 are prohibited from pitting under caution for the next segment.

The only limitation is imagination – or lack of it.
 
Thanks, but I'll skip the article. Once you pointed out the method, the basic calculations involved are pretty obvious. I'm guessing (RPM x gear ratio x tire diameter) / time, or something close to that.
 
R Clarence said:
We’re never going to see authentic racing nor scratch the surface of the entertainment potential until we see greater numbers of stoppages.

The enhancement of inverting the field, or a portion of it, is also sorely needed.

Further experimentation should follow. I.E. the cars on odd positions thru 9 are prohibited from pitting under caution for the next segment.

The only limitation is imagination – or lack of it.
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Be careful; you can easily bite your tongue when you jam it that far into your cheek. :p
 
aunty dive said:
They can read the tachometer and know the same thing.
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I have driven thousands and thousands of miles with only a tach and no speedo and I always knew what speed I was traveling. No biggie indeed.
 
LouieLouie said:
I don't know, I'm thinking Delana Harvick would be pretty tough on ole Happy if he went too fast down pit road!
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I saw a pic of that cow on a web page and I wouldn't want to piss her off.
 
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