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Brian must be at it again.....

NASCAR is considering a major experiment to see if it can improve the racing entertainment at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, where there has been precious few green-flag passes for the lead in recent years.

The sanction is considering use of restrictor-plate engines in next year’s second-tier Xfinity Series event at IMS, azcentral sports has learned. Plate engines, which restrict engine horsepower, are only mandated at the high-speed banked Daytona and Talladega superspeedways. If tried, and if deemed successful, plate engines could be used for the 2018 Brickyard 400.

“I would say we’re in some serious discussions about that (plate engines in the Xfinity race),” said Steve O’Donnell, NASCAR’s chief racing development officer. “It is something that’s on the table. We would like to see what happens and then go from there.”

Roger Penske, the record 16-time Indy 500 winning car owner but never a Brickyard 400 winner, said he would prefer to see how Cup’s new so-called “low downforce” aerodynamic rules work next season before such a big change.

“It’s very difficult to pass there (IMS),” he said. “Next year it might be different because you won’t have the downforce. Let’s wait before we throw another bomb into the middle of the rules’ package.”

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...nternational-raceway-dominance-ends/93781448/
 
Perhaps NASCAR is thinkin’ the plates may lead to some “Big Ones” similar to Talladega or Daytona to get the fans’ interest up.

It’s what makes stock car racing exciting.
 
They are probably tying to make them race like Indy Lights cars, move it back to IRP.
 
Yeah, let's put plates on and run around in a big pack into flat 90-degree corners. If they make it through braking going into turn 1, let's be sure they don't have the acceleration to get out of each others' way coming off the corner.

Mary Kay is on line 2. They'd like to sponsor this race in exchange for giving NASCAR a discount on all the lipstick they're putting on this pig.
 
I mean, I'm glad they are trying something. But if they think just slapping restrictor plates on the cars will create pack racing they are sadly wrong. The corners are far too tight and flat to take wide-open, and regardless the bottom already has such a huge advantage that the whole track is heavily single-groove. Again, I don't fault NASCAR for trying this though, just like I don't fault them for Loudon 2000. They saw the modifieds put on great races there with plates on and heavy drafting and thought it could work for stock cars. And hey, we're all just speculating here, but so is Roger Penske. Maybe plates will magically work and the lower downforce won't do a thing, just like it didn't do anything this year.
 
When I hear of the likelihood of plates coming to IMS it makes me wonder how much more even the remaining fan base can take. They took interesting tracks away, give laps back like a Pez Dispenser, call a caution flag for no reason yet ignore the caution flag when it is needed, made a joke out of qualifying, make rules and immediately go back on them, made the first 26 races of the season not important to the top teams, instituted an egg timer caution and turned a season long champ into a one race battle. I can't say that I have ever seen an organization inflict so much damage to itself as Nascar has.
 
Acs said:
I mean, I'm glad they are trying something. But if they think just slapping restrictor plates on the cars will create pack racing they are sadly wrong. The corners are far too tight and flat to take wide-open, and regardless the bottom already has such a huge advantage that the whole track is heavily single-groove. Again, I don't fault NASCAR for trying this though, just like I don't fault them for Loudon 2000. They saw the modifieds put on great races there with plates on and heavy drafting and thought it could work for stock cars. And hey, we're all just speculating here, but so is Roger Penske. Maybe plates will magically work and the lower downforce won't do a thing, just like it didn't do anything this year.
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If you are behind in your football fantasy league you may try some ill advised moves just in case lightning strikes and everything works but when you are in charge of business like Nascar throwing spaghetti against the ceiling in hopes of something sticking is beyond stupidity. Before Nascar even announces something like this hundreds of hours of testing should have been completed to see what it would be like. When you are a big company you never ask a question you don't know the answer to and you never never announce an initiative or new product without thousands of hours of data in order to have the best possible idea of how something will work or be received.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
When I hear of the likelihood of plates coming to IMS it makes me wonder how much more even the remaining fan base can take. They took interesting tracks away, give laps back like a Pez Dispenser, call a caution flag for no reason yet ignore the caution flag when it is needed, made a joke out of qualifying, make rules and immediately go back on them, made the first 26 races of the season not important to the top teams, instituted an egg timer caution and turned a season long champ into a one race battle. I can't say that I have ever seen an organization inflict so much damage to itself as Nascar has.
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Oh come on, this isn't one of those "if it ain't broke" situations. The racing at IMS is terrible, everyone agrees. Would you rather NASCAR do nothing and let the brickyard rot away? because your own comments from that race probably are along the lines of what NASCAR should do. "Can't take it anymore?" please. There's nobody left at the brickyard to piss off and 99% of NASCAR fans aren't going to care one way or another that they tried plates in the xfinity series for one race at IMS. If NASCAR continued to sit on their hands then a lot more like you would also be complaining of letting the racing go to sh*t, so for NASCAR it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.
 
This is the worst idea, in a long history of terrible ideas, that NASCAR has had in some time. They must be running out of gold paint for that turd they keep trying to pass off a crown jewel.
 
It seems that Brian and friends simply won't rest until they have bastardized every last aspect of stock car racing they can think of.

I'm sure it will be a riveting wire to wire victory for Kyle Busch. Hope the 5 fans in attendance get their money's worth.
 
Acs said:
Oh come on, this isn't one of those "if it ain't broke" situations. The racing at IMS is terrible, everyone agrees. Would you rather NASCAR do nothing and let the brickyard rot away? because your own comments from that race probably are along the lines of what NASCAR should do. "Can't take it anymore?" please. There's nobody left at the brickyard to piss off and 99% of NASCAR fans aren't going to care one way or another that they tried plates in the xfinity series for one race at IMS. If NASCAR continued to sit on their hands then a lot more like you would also be complaining of letting the racing go to sh*t, so for NASCAR it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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I somehow feel like Lloyd Bentson in the Vice Presidential debate with Dan Quayle all those years ago!

Now on to your comments:

If it were possible the vast majority of Nascar fans would wish IMS was carpet bombed and left a glowing crater.

Never, ever, EVER, attempt to put words in my mouth or assume how I view something based upon what you brain can conjure up.

What you are saying is that no one cares about racing at IMS so it is OK to make changes that no one knows the outcome to. I can see Campbell's Soup saying that sales of chicken soup are way down so we will remove half the noodles and see what happens. Fricken brilliant eh?

IDK how old you are or how long you have been a Nascar fan but the racing went to pot years ago. In fact I doubt very many fans under 35 have seen much in the way of good racing from Nascar but given that only a minuscule amount of Nascar fans are under 35 it is likely a moot point.

If putting plates on cars at IMS improves the racing or taking half the noodles out of Campbell's Chicken Soup improve sales then those things should be done. However they should never be done just for the hell of it to see if it helps as that is sheer stupidity.
 
JBone88 said:
It seems that Brian and friends simply won't rest until they have bastardized every last aspect of stock car racing they can think of.

I'm sure it will be a riveting wire to wire victory for Kyle Busch. Hope the 5 fans in attendance get their money's worth.
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If the Brickyard is to be kept on the schedule it should be an exhibition race where drivers use a different car suited to the track. Maybe use identically prepared legends and have a 4 hour 25 lap event.
 
Acs said:
... Would you rather NASCAR do nothing and let the brickyard rot away? ...
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No, I'd rather NASCAR move this series back to IRP. If it absotively, posilutely must run at IMS, use the road course. At least we already know X cars put on a decent show on other road courses. Plates are just going to artificially bunch up the field, same as the shot clock in the Truck series.

NASCAR doesn't owe IMS anything. Let it rot. Quit adapting cars to tracks they aren't suited to run on.
 
Acs said:
I mean, I'm glad they are trying something. But if they think just slapping restrictor plates on the cars will create pack racing they are sadly wrong. The corners are far too tight and flat to take wide-open, and regardless the bottom already has such a huge advantage that the whole track is heavily single-groove. Again, I don't fault NASCAR for trying this though, just like I don't fault them for Loudon 2000. They saw the modifieds put on great races there with plates on and heavy drafting and thought it could work for stock cars. And hey, we're all just speculating here, but so is Roger Penske. Maybe plates will magically work and the lower downforce won't do a thing, just like it didn't do anything this year.
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Improving the racing had little to do with the plates at Loudon in 2000. It was Petty and Irwin. NASCAR had to do something quickly to avoid more tragedy at this track.
 
If we are just tossing out bad ideas for indy why not come up with some sort of temporary banking that you can add for Mascara races there. That way for NASCAR you can jack the turns up to let's say 35 degrees and then put plates on em.
 
Practice and qualify at Indy and run the first 50 laps there....then red flag the race, trailer all the cars to Lucas and restart the race for the final 250 laps - no setup changes allowed.

-Brain F.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
When I hear of the likelihood of plates coming to IMS it makes me wonder how much more even the remaining fan base can take. They took interesting tracks away, give laps back like a Pez Dispenser, call a caution flag for no reason yet ignore the caution flag when it is needed, made a joke out of qualifying, make rules and immediately go back on them, made the first 26 races of the season not important to the top teams, instituted an egg timer caution and turned a season long champ into a one race battle. I can't say that I have ever seen an organization inflict so much damage to itself as Nascar has.
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Glad I'm not the only one who thinks knockout qualifying is stupid. Every time I attend a race there's no enthusiasm for qualifying like there used to be. It's glorified practice from the stands.

Debris cautions are a joke.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Three words - Lowe's Motor Speedway.
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Oh yeah.....Charlotte...as the Lowes moniker never stuck with me. I used to know all the names of the NHL and Football arenas and stadiums but the names change so often for many of them I no longer know any of them. It is kind of like Nascar sponsorship as there are so many sponsors on so many cars I don't remember most of them. Every once in a while I see Carl racing the ugliest looking calf**** brown car sponsored by a company called something like Anus. Beats me what it is all about.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
When you are a big company you never ask a question you don't know the answer to and you never never announce an initiative or new product without thousands of hours of data in order to have the best possible idea of how something will work or be received.
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Amen unless your name is Microsoft.
 
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