Interest builds around possible changes to NASCAR schedule

A doubleheader at Pocono sounds interesting. But I hope they reduce the number of stages because typically at Pocono one driver seems to nail the setup and could do very well with the stage points.
 
KodiakRusty89 said:
NASCAR listens to the fine folks at NBC and Fox. If I run into NBC Sports Pete Bevacqua at this year's PGA Championship at Bethpage I'll let him know my thoughts!

As it is, the chips will fall where the may. It's going to be one helluva a science experiment. I'm fascinated by this stuff....
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I get where you are coming from with Pocono. You don’t want to spend a fortune on a flea bag motel to see 2 races. You don’t want to have to commute for 2 races. You’re not interested in seeing a bunch of junior league racing and you don’t want to have to camp with a bunch of drunks. You may not even want to see cup races on back to back dates as I know I wouldn’t.
 
Spotter22 said:
If the 24 did the 11 you would be all about it.
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Negative sir, and he wouldn't. How exactly do you think you're capable of telling other's how they'd feel? Lol

I don't want things to get to a point in this sport where it becomes a curse to be leading a race at the end. That's what NASCAR wants for their drama aspect of things, and that's exactly what they're going for with making the cutoff races what they did. Including Daytona. It's sad and some of you are actually buying into it. I mean I get it if you don't have a rooting interest and all you want is to be entertained, but like I said, as someone whose already lived that scenario as an actual driver fan (first career win on the line, trip to the final 4, first win for the 24 at the same venue and same race as the previous driver's last win...) it completely blows. Logano's fans felt the exact same way in 2015.
 
Just reading on social media it’s funny to me that people say Nashville and The Rock have no Shot at getting back on the Cup schedule for 2021. They leave out the fact there’s almost 2 years worth of time in places where you could pretty much work year round to get the track safety up to code, amentity improvements added and infrastructure around the track complete. People will exploit every negative possible it’s really frustrating in that you’re not building these structures from scratch, you are just fixing up what’s already there. Now if you told me there’s a shot of Wilkesboro coming back I’d agree you would probably need more than two years from the looks of it everything but the track is falling over.
 
AdoubleU24 said:
Negative sir, and he wouldn't. How exactly do you think you're capable of telling other's how they'd feel? Lol

I don't want things to get to a point in this sport where it becomes a curse to be leading a race at the end. That's what NASCAR wants for their drama aspect of things, and that's exactly what they're going for with making the cutoff races what they did. Including Daytona. It's sad and some of you are actually buying into it. I mean I get it if you don't have a rooting interest, but like I said, as someone whose already lived that scenario as an actual driver fan (first career win on the line, trip to the final 4, first win for the 24 at the same venue and same race as the previous driver's last win...) it completely blows. Logano's fans felt the exact same way in 2015.
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The fact that they moved Dega just what was it two years ago for sheningans from the 4 in that cutoff race and now people are saying it’s a good move for Daytona to be the CUTOFF RACE FOR THE PLAYOFFS , I don’t understand that logic.
 
AdoubleU24 said:
Negative sir, and he wouldn't. How exactly do you think you're capable of telling other's how they'd feel? Lol

I don't want things to get to a point in this sport where it becomes a curse to be leading a race at the end. That's what NASCAR wants for their drama aspect of things, and that's exactly what they're going for with making the cutoff races what they did. Including Daytona. It's sad and some of you are actually buying into it. I mean I get it if you don't have a rooting interest and all you want is to be entertained like a simpleton, but like I said, as someone whose already lived that scenario as an actual driver fan (first career win on the line, trip to the final 4, first win for the 24 at the same venue and same race as the previous driver's last win...) it completely blows. Logano's fans felt the exact same way in 2015.
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It came to me in a dream.That stuff has been going on in NASCAR forever. Its all entertaining but we do have our share of fans who walk around like they have a bowl of crap under their nose and whine about everything. If the shoe fits....
 
Spotter22 said:
Its not the racing. Ive been watching and involved for over 40 years. Whats changed is the sport has been crippled by assholes on social media. As a fan and a participant thier is no question racing today is better than it was since I started watching in 1973. People are spoiled fools who complain and bitch about something they supposedly love yet they are destroying it for the younger fan who would love to get involved but they are poisioned by no nothing so called fans who end up depriving them the opportunity to watch and judge for themselves.
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Actually Nascar was ruined by the sudden boom in popularity and the increased arrogance from them it produced. Nascar thought it could do no wrong and closed tracks, moved dates and built crappy facilities for racing. Then they started messing with the cars and gave us the CoT and the ****box of today.

Blaming NASCARs woes on social media is completely laughable. Nascar is accountable for its own demise. Guess how many decisions I make based on social media?
 
IanMcVittie said:
I get where you are coming from with Pocono. You don’t want to spend a fortune on a flea bag motel to see 2 races. You don’t want to have to commute for 2 races. You’re not interested in seeing a bunch of junior league racing and you don’t want to have to camp with a bunch of drunks. You may not even want to see cup races on back to back dates as I know I wouldn’t.
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You dont go anymore so you are irrelevant.
 
IanMcVittie said:
Actually Nascar was ruined by the sudden boom in popularity and the increased arrogance from them it produced. Nascar thought it could do no wrong and closed tracks, moved dates and built crappy facilities for racing. Then they started messing with the cars and gave us the CoT and the ****box of today.

Blaming NASCARs woes on social media is completely laughable. Nascar is accountable for its own demise. Guess how many decisions I make based on social media?
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If you dont think social media has effected racing you are as outta touch as I thought you are.
 
Ventisca said:
Pocono double-header is not attractive for me as a TV viewer, as I'm not gonna travel from Georgia for that event -- but I hate missing Point Races.

After any NASCAR race (good or bad), I've reached my interest threshold as viewer fatigue sets in, so I can't imagine wanting to see another near-identical event the next day with the same drivers/cars.
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There are a few fans that would watch a cup race every day if they could. They don’t comprehend what viewer fatigue is or why too much of a good thing is bad.
 
ToyYoda said:
That little late June/early July stretch is probably gonna be pretty taxing on the teams. 900 miles at Pocono in one weekend then the Brickcracker 400 six days later.
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*800 miles. I forgot both races are 400 milers now. Although, I don’t think it’s been announced how long the 2020 races will be.
 
IanMcVittie said:
There are a few fans that would watch a cup race every day if they could. They don’t comprehend what viewer fatigue is or why too much of a good thing is bad.
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Their are also fans who claim they dont watch the race yet know all about it, you would think if they didnt like something they wouldnt watch then complain endlessly about it., thats where our fatigue come from.
 
Spotter22 said:
If you dont think social media has effected racing you are as outta touch as I thought you are.
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To the best of my knowledge social media had nothing to do with shuttering tracks, ushering in cookie cutters, giving us Brian, Jimmy and Lesa, giving the teams crap cars or coming up with a product more and more people don’t wish to consume. Nascar is responsible for its own successes and failures.
 
I have to say I am a bit surprised NASCAR did as much changing to the schedule as they did. I thought the major changes would take place for 2021 when the current contract with the tracks ends. I like a lot of the changes. I'm not sure about sticking Indy on July 4 weekend. It won't be the same to not be in Daytona at that time. I like Bristol being in the playoffs. But I think attendance will still suffer if they have to go against a Tennessee Vols home football game. Even though the team isn't that good, the fan support is still there. Given the choice, most people will opt to go to or stay home and watch a UT game than to go to Bristol. We'll have to see how that plays out.
 
Spotter22 said:
Their are also fans who claim they dont watch the race yet know all about it, you would think if they didnt like something they wouldnt watch then complain endlessly about it., thats where our fatigue come from.
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I think there is one member here that doesn’t watch the races but participates on the forum. I know that I have seen every race this year but I prefer the racing last year over the dumbed version this year. That is the case for several of us and we are certainly entitled to our preferences and opinions.

Very few people endorse everything Nascar has done, is doing and will do.
 
IanMcVittie said:
To the best of my knowledge social media had nothing to do with shuttering tracks, ushering in cookie cutters, giving us Brian, Jimmy and Lesa, giving the teams crap cars or coming up with a product more and more people don’t wish to consume. Nascar is responsible for its own successes and failures.
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Tracks shutter due to changing dynamics, Cookie cutter tracks only exist in fantasy land, no track is the same because it looks like it, these same tracks were packed at NASCARS height of popularity which came while Brain and Lisa France were in charge. The cars are the safest they have been in history and have saved many a drivers life and the racing today is miles better then 10, 20, 30 years ago.
 
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MRM said:
I have to say I am a bit surprised NASCAR did as much changing to the schedule as they did. I thought the major changes would take place for 2021 when the current contract with the tracks ends. I like a lot of the changes. I'm not sure about sticking Indy on July 4 weekend. It won't be the same to not be in Daytona at that time. I like Bristol being in the playoffs. But I think attendance will still suffer if they have to go against a Tennessee Vols home football game. Even though the team isn't that good, the fan support is still there. Given the choice, most people will opt to go to or stay home and watch a UT game than to go to Bristol. We'll have to see how that plays out.
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I think some of the changes to the schedule are trial balloons and some are to make it look like Nascar is being attentive to the fans. Mainly I see it as NASCAR trying to baffle with BS to buy time for hopefully better days.
 
Schedule looks good. Changed my Auto Club date. Doesn't matter. They run it on Christmas morning, I am there. Phoenix as the championship race is awesome. Harvick will be favored. All pressure on him. Love it. How many laps did he lead there a couple of weeks ago? Don't remember because it didn't matter. #Rowdy
 
AdoubleU24 said:
Do you guys really like the thought of a guy having his playoff chances wiped away after busting their ass all season to stay in the top 16 in points? All because they got caught up in somebodies stupid sh!t at Daytona? It's no different than when Dega was the cutoff race a couple years ago. We all (those of us with sense anyhow) hated it. I'll never understand how or why that's appealing.
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You have 25 races before that to win or secure your spot. If you are that close to the edge the guy the guy who beat you at Daytona deserved it just as much as you did.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I think some of the changes to the schedule are trial balloons and some are to make it look like Nascar is being attentive to the fans. Mainly I see it as NASCAR trying to baffle with BS to buy time for hopefully better days.
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might be because track contracts aren't up until year after next ya think? As it is, the main impetus with the schedule change THIS year has been the tracks that will be used for the cut off races for the most part.
 
Spotter22 said:
Tracks shutter due to changing dynamics, Cookie cutter tracks only exist in fantasy land, no track is the same because it looks like it, these same tracks were packed at NASCARS height of popularity which came while Brain and Lisa France were in charge. The cars are the safest they have been in history and have saved many a drivers life and the tracing today is miles better then 10, 20, 30 years ago. You are irrelevant
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I agree with you about the cookie cutters as they are different. The problem is that most of them have not produced racing that people want to watch from the track or from home.

In any case I will agree to disagree as I don’t see Nascar as a victim of social media or any vast conspiracies.
 
StandOnIt said:
might be because track contracts aren't up until year after next ya think? As it is, the main impetus with the schedule change THIS year has been the tracks that will be used for the cut off races for the most part.
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No question that Nascar did what they did with what they had to work with. Until they figure out what is wrong and how to fix it moving things around and adding changes here and there is the best way to go.
 
Random thought on the double-header: how will fantasy leagues handle it? I can’t see turning a site around overnight. How do you handle the entry deadlines? I suspect players will have to use the same drivers for both races. But it should provide plenty of data about how race teams will perform at Indy the following week.
 
I have no issue is the schedule shake-up as it as it has always evolved in some manner every few years. It was only a matter of time before another wave come.

My issue along with with a lot of others who attend Pocono is the whole concept appears to have been changed. While other tracks might have switched a date by most accounts it will be a "normal" race weekend with the Cup race being the showcase traditional length event on Sunday. People don't believe that will be the case at Pocono as the Cup races will be shortened and will be supported by a lower division race each day. I know I'm not the only one who is not interested in that. Instead it seems like Dover and Watkins Glen may especially benefit from this as they are also easily accessible to much of the same market.

Depending one how the format plays out will determine what I decide to do. If the format is changed I'll opt out and attend the IndyCar race at Pocono to support the track. I'll look at it as the reason to finally go back to Dover after what will be a 10 year hiatus after a 20 year run (1990-2010).

This Pocono thing is definitely a huge topic of discussion here locally. How it plays out will have a major impact on our area.
 
Opinions vary.

Saturday and Sunday pocono is actually going to be insane

ya know, I would *never* have dreamed of going to a race at Pocono.
But now, I'm considering it.

This would be a great week to go camping up there.

My thoughts exactly. Been thinking of getting a camper, tired of tenting it. This might put me over the edge.
Assuming the other schedules are hitting Pocono the same weekend (and keeping Pocono). This will be like race mega-weekend for the northeast.

Same. I'm in NYC, it's in my neighborhood... I like this.
 
StandOnIt said:
Opinions vary.

Saturday and Sunday pocono is actually going to be insane

ya know, I would *never* have dreamed of going to a race at Pocono.
But now, I'm considering it.

This would be a great week to go camping up there.

My thoughts exactly. Been thinking of getting a camper, tired of tenting it. This might put me over the edge.
Assuming the other schedules are hitting Pocono the same weekend (and keeping Pocono). This will be like race mega-weekend for the northeast.

Same. I'm in NYC, it's in my neighborhood... I like this.
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I think more will attend than will a single cup weekend. Hell I might fly up and rent a camper.
 
yeah from what I know it is a beautiful place, similar to Watkins Glenn, might turn out to be a happening like the Glenn has become.
 
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