Interest builds around possible changes to NASCAR schedule

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  1. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    I freely admit I don't understand why building a casino (or a water park, or a whorehouse) on the property would increase the likelihood of getting a race date. What does one have to do with the other?
     
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  2. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    I don't but if I did, why would I spend my recreational time and money in the racetrack's grandstands when I could be in the casino?

    I birdwatch but if you build a wildlife refuge next to an NBA arena, I still wouldn't attend the games. I like touring historic homes; you could move Buckingham Palace next to Fenway Park but I still wouldn't pay for a baseball game.

    Do you gamble? If there was a casino build next to something you don't already care about, would it motivate you to pay to see that other activity? Why? I truly don't get this, but then I never understood how an MMA fight or stunt motorcyclists were suppose to get me to attend a race.
     
  3. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I understand none of you eat, sleep or take in a show, play golf or drag race.
     
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  4. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    If that's an answer, it went way over my head. What do any of those have to do with casinos and race dates?
     
  5. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    You will have to figure that out or not. Oh gees I forgot horse racing tracks.
     
  6. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    Nope, that didn't help either.

    If you don't want to break it down, fine. Please ignore my future attempts to understand the connection. Your efforts so far aren't getting your point across.
     
  7. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I'm sure there are some who don't know anything about casino's that learned something. I really didn't hold much faith in this thread when I answered some of the commenters, I know how they are, should I say a bit closed minded? :D These are all activities that Casino's provide within 40 miles for the farthest one from my door. If a person can't figure out that a Nascar fan's time for the weekend won't all be spent at the race track there isn't much to work with.
     
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  8. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    Okay, that was a lot more helpful. I think I've been looking at it completely backwards.

    I've been seeing it as an attempt to attract people who primarily gamble to take attend a race as a secondary entertainment option. That's what I meant in my post #1242. It sounds like you're saying that by having gambling (and the other things you listed) as secondary options, people will be more inclined to buy race tickets.

    Sorry if I needed it broken down into small pieces. I'm usually content to spend race days at the track, get a bite to eat, and hit the hotel room. I may do other things the day before or after but they don't influence my decision to attend. I'll be there regardless and if there's little else to do, I schedule the trip for just the race days. That mindset hampered my understanding.
     
  9. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I started the whole thing off with "obviously you don't gamble". It hard to think beyond a person's experiences. BTW bites to eat and hotel rooms and more are available there depending on the casino. I frequented more casinos in Arizona than in my home state of Oklahoma. Large parking lots for truck parking, excellent meals, super clean rest rooms, one in particular had marble showers and floors, multi nozzles for the water and super soft towels. Very nice and I didn't spend a dime gambling. So a casino close to the track would be a great place to spend the weekend when a person or family wasn't at the track. It's all there without going anywhere. Food lodging and off track entertainment.
     
  10. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    I lived in Vegas for three years; I'm aware of the amenities. I was just looking at the transaction completely backwards. I couldn't figure how building a casino to attract gamblers (there's the error) would get them to care about going to the race. I can see why race fans would be more likely to attend if there are more things to do, now that my lenses have been recalibrated.
     
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  11. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Regardless which way you want to look at it, I'll restate MY question. Is there any CONCRETE evidence that race attendance in either Las Vegas or Kansas has been positively impacted to any great degree by having casinos nearby? If Atlanta wants another date, they are going to need to sell another 50-75,000 tickets to justify it. How many more tickets can they expect to sell because the casino is there?
     
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  13. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    As many as the casino is willing to buy.
     
  14. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    It's impossible to tell with Vegas. The casinos were there long before the track.
     
  15. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Well, that is where market research comes into play. Survey your ticket buyers in Vegas and Kansas (especially Kansas) and first find out how many of your ticket buyers used the casinos for any reason, and then try to find out how many based their ticket purchase in all of part because of the casinos. My guess is that THAT number would be 20% or less.
     
  16. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    Right with you. Time at the track is about walking a lot and sensory overload. Way cool, but just chilling on the Friday and Saturday after time at the track trying to figure out how good my drivers are going to be is just awesome. Post race Sunday is about debriefing over dinner (and hopefully celebrating). Rain date Monday is a play day before flying home.
     
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  17. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    I went to Kansas in 2016. It's a decent facility and the casino is ok. Me personally I would like to see a change of Kansas keeping playoff race but gets the spring race shifted to Iowa or Gateway, but I'm not sure how probable that would be.
     
  18. DewChaser988

    DewChaser988 NASCAR fan since 1998

    Honestly, the demand doesn't currently seem to be there for a 2nd Atlanta date. Not trying to be rude, but I think if you can't sell out your lone Cup date, you shouldn't get a 2nd one
     
  19. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    I wish NASCAR would make their schedule similar to the PGA Tour. West Coast swing, Florida swing, then start navigating its way up to the north, and then back down for the season finales.

    Daytona
    Phoenix
    Las Vegas
    California
    Sonoma
    Texas
    Miami
    Atlanta
    Martinsville
    Bristol
     
  20. DewChaser988

    DewChaser988 NASCAR fan since 1998

    Let me just say this: The season finale, especially under the current winner-take-all format we have, should NOT be held at a Superspeedway. They are far too crapshooty
     
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  21. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    I’d be cool if the championship race rotated each year between Fontana, Atlanta, Miami, Las Vegas and Phoenix. Much like the Super Bowl or College Football Playoff each new year has a new championship venue.
     
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  22. 2 Sweet

    2 Sweet Legend

    I like that. Solid 5-track rotation
     
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  23. Speedbowl14

    Speedbowl14 Ryan Preece and short tracks

    That's a fine assortment. Good mix of tracks without anyone having a distinct advantage.
     
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  24. DewChaser988

    DewChaser988 NASCAR fan since 1998

    I agree, throw in Charlotte too
     
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  25. RacerrecaR

    RacerrecaR Orange cone

    I think every track should be able to bid on hosting the finale, much like what occurs with the Super Bowl. Schedule the finale 3 years in advance and do not allow a track to host more than 1 finale during a 3-year span. This would also eliminate insanely long contracts with tracks, yet fans would be able to plan their race attendance up to 3 years in advance.
     
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  26. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    One of my many complaints with the playoffs is that no thought was given to how the tracks were chosen. They just happened to be the last ten on the schedule when the system was implemented. If NASCAR has given it any thought at all, would the tracks currently involved been the ones chosen?
     
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  27. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Remember that as long as the season continues to wind up a week before Thanksgiving, weather is going to seriously impact where you can have the finale or even the final 3-4 races of the year.
     
  28. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    Yes for sure gosh can’t believe I forgot that, a glaring omission on my part. The beauty of Charlotte is you can do a oval finale or Roval, it can be two separate venues in one track! The caveat being that it’s NON NEGOTIABLE that the year or years Charlotte hosts the final, the Coke 600 stays. Let’s try to keep some semblance of tradition on the schedule.
     
  29. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    I thought I read with the schedule change in 21, they are trying to end the year last week of October or first week in November. I think most places can host if it falls in that timeline
     
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  30. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    hard to say but that’s a very interesting point you brought up. Which IMO the original Chase concept was always a shotgun wedding due to Kenseth winning the Winston Cup with 1 win and Sprint taking over in 04 the very next year. Really, why did those 10 original Chase tracks and even the current tracks in playoffs deserve their playoff dates? What I’m trying to say is the last 10 tracks should have been rotated from the very start to have a true playoff like atmosphere so to speak
     
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  31. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    I love your idea of 3 years in advance, 1 Final in 3 year span. Very NFL/NCAA football idea. Adds to the big time feel. Also keep the fan in mind when trying to plan, 3 years is more than enough time. NASCAR can even have a big press conference or show of it when it’s time to announce the Championship 4 track each cycle.
     
  32. RacerrecaR

    RacerrecaR Orange cone

    My thought was announcing it at the awards banquet after the finale
     
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  33. DewChaser988

    DewChaser988 NASCAR fan since 1998

    Also, it's a home track
     
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  34. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    I'm not sure what to think about this:
     
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  35. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Brickyard 400 on Independence Day weekend may be one-and-done...

     
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  36. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    I'd rather just see them move back to Lucas Oil Speedway or IRP as it was originally called.

    I understand NASCAR is trying to keep the Brickyard in the schedule and this alternative could possibly work. Yet, just put IRP back on the schedule and be done with it. I think we would all like another short track for the Xfinity series.
     
  37. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    uh nope. Choice between dinky IRP and the road course at Indy is a no brainer for me. Does anybody think Penske won't improve the road course? Got plenty more room if they get rid of the golf course.
     
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  38. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Can Roger just buy IRP, too?

    A man can dream.:D
     
  39. donthaveanickname

    donthaveanickname Team Owner

    There should be an endurance race in the Cup Series. Make the Sonoma race a part of the west coast swing and extend it to 500 miles.
     
  40. bigspud

    bigspud Team Owner

    cup 3 races in one weekend finally at daytona,
    superspeedway friday, roadcourse saturday, sunday short track utilizing pit road and tri-oval as makeshift course, backstretch used as new pit road. driver with best point total of 3 races wins cup.
    rain might be a problem.
     
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