Is Ford behind? If so, why?

Is Ford behind?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 61.1%

  • No

    Votes: 7 38.9%
  • Total voters
    18
3wideinturn1 said:
Oh interesting, thanks Fender. So were there other teams dealing with that issue or just Penske? I won't even pretend like I know know what pump lubricant micro beads are haha
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Hell, I can't figure out why they even use lubricant, much less how it clogged their pumps. Maybe it clogged the filter. :idunno:

I didn't hear anything about other teams having the same issue. Brad hinted they tried a new lubricant, which makes me wonder why it took so long to figure out.

Ford has had fast cars to win championships, but lacked the organization to take advantage. Watching Roush in the last 5 chases shows how weak they are. Even Edwards said the Penske cars were faster than the RFR cars.
 
StandOnIt said:
sorry just fed up with the idol worship, talking about fords in general, but goof twists it to a joey wank...again, and again..
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Shut up. Follow the conversation... we were talking about races Ford should have won.. don't like it go to a different thread but its relevant regardless of your opinion.
 
yeah but the Fords don't have any wins to speak of, add up all the drivers in the chase and they are way behind. 4 wins for three drivers. not even close to any other maker.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Yes, this is about Ford's seeming lack of speed or whatever. And Joey does drive a Ford.
But let's not concentrate solely on Joey. What is happening with the rest of the Ford drivers?
I fully expected Edwards and Biffle to turn up the wick. They are doing well, but not what I expected.
Stenhouse has been showing some speed.
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That's what I'm curious about, they have talented drivers and good teams and equipment too. Where are they behind and why? With all the touting of the Roush Yates engine program we are all led to believe they have great motors but perhaps that's not the case?
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah but the Fords don't have any wins to speak of, add up all the drivers in the chase and they are way behind. 4 wins for three drivers. not even close to any other maker.
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Well like I said earlier there are more of the other manufacturers. The lack of wins doesn't necessarily mean a lack of speed. Id get into races Ford should have won but according to some people that's not relevant to this thread :rolleyes: lol
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah but the Fords don't have any wins to speak of, add up all the drivers in the chase and they are way behind. 4 wins for three drivers. not even close to any other maker.
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As sliced just explained, some wins Ford should have earned were missed out on. There's only 5 competitive Fords in the field each week. Even Toyota has more when the 55 runs.

How much Matt picked up this year says more about Roush than Ford, IMO. I swear Ford changed their hoods to the one Chevy uses and started picking up speed. I can't prove it though.
 
Ford has been behind 80 percent of time going back to when RJ Reynolds got involved.

Aside from Elliott's dominance from 85 to 88 and Yates power in from 91 to 96 they have been a weaker brand in cup racing.

But chevy folks shouldn't make fun of the afflicted. When you are around an old Ford guy just try to be patient. He may sound like a over the top hyperconreacts, but seriously his misery is genuine.

I just remind myself that as a chevy fan I am blessed, and to keep it classy:).
 
fords led 38 out of 267 laps spread between 6 drivers with Logano being 32 out of all of those, take him out of the equation and ya got 5 drivers leading 6 laps..that is pitiful.
 
Makes ya wonder if they had Logano's turned up to be competitive, and they blew it up doing so.
 
StandOnIt said:
fords led 38 out of 267 laps spread between 6 drivers with Logano being 32 out of all of those, take him out of the equation and ya got 5 drivers leading 6 laps..that is pitiful.
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IDK. It seemed to me someone was right about keeping up with track changes. It's hard to explain how Ford can qualify 1-2 and be down too much on power.
 
Ford teams --- excluding part time and some small operations
Penske ---- Brad and Joey
Petty -- Marcos and Aric
Roush --- Biffle, Stenhouse, and Edwards

Trevor Bayne, Casey Mears, and David Ragan

There are just not that many topflight Ford teams. They are simply out-numbered --- the odds are against them.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Ford teams --- excluding part time and some small operations
Penske ---- Brad and Joey
Petty -- Marcos and Aric
Roush --- Biffle, Stenhouse, and Edwards

Trevor Bayne, Casey Mears, and David Ragan

There are just not that many topflight Ford teams. They are simply out-numbered --- the odds are against them.
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That's because of Jack, who wants to deal with him?
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Ford teams --- excluding part time and some small operations
Penske ---- Brad and Joey
Petty -- Marcos and Aric
Roush --- Biffle, Stenhouse, and Edwards

Trevor Bayne, Casey Mears, and David Ragan

There are just not that many topflight Ford teams. They are simply out-numbered --- the odds are against them.
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Roush is a shell of what it once was. Penaske likes to be on their own island, so it's taken them some time to get going because they had to learn too much on their own. Petty is just hanging on, but do often show speed at the start of a race only to lose it as they adjust.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Some of it is luck and most of it is the drivers and teams themselves but I can think of countless championships Ford should have won.
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Are you talking about Carl in 2008 and 2011? IMO, Fords biggest problem these days is Jack. I'm sure Carl is about to hang himself over passing on that JGR offer.
 
FenderBumper said:
Someone has a log-o-rash.
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you got that? don't sound good, better get rid of it.
at any rate. Yeah the fords are outnumbered, but that shouldn't make that much of a difference, you have 5 or six cars that can win the chase, and Carl was talking big about how fast his car was and he led one lap, and finished behind rookie Stenhouse.
 
StandOnIt said:
at any rate. Yeah the fords are outnumbered, but that shouldn't make that much of a difference, you have 5 or six cars that can win the chase, and Carl was talking big about how fast his car was and he led one lap, and finished behind rookie Stenhouse.
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That mystified me, too. He looked good in practice and then --- poof, he was gone.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Enough of this yanking of chains.
Quit jumping on the poster for merely posting his/her opinion.
We are trying to solve Ford's problems for them --- not proving who here is the best and brightest of all.
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yeah guys, that was settled a long time ago. :D

TRL, do you think Roush is an asset to Ford?

I hate the whole 'one Ford' thing he has wrapped up with Yates.
 
BobbyFord said:
I don't think Carl and Fennig were able to adjust the car for the cooler temps...
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Carl was good when he was the first to run the cantered rear housing. Other than that, he's highly overrated and spends very little time at the shop. I think Fennig bails after this year.
 
FenderBumper said:
TRL, do you think Roush is an asset to Ford?

I hate the whole 'one Ford' thing he has wrapped up with Yates.
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10 years ago, I'd say yes, Jack was an asset. But it seems to me he has become more and more secretive
and more reluctant to share info. I've not heard anything definite, but body language speaks volumes.

Again, it all goes back to his penchant for micro-managing. He is the type that MUST be in control of everything at all times.
 
Ok , I'll ask if anyone can explain in general terms( easy for non-mechanics to understand) the big difference in the engines from make to make.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
10 years ago, I'd say yes, Jack was an asset. But it seems to me he has become more and more secretive
and more reluctant to share info. I've not heard anything definite, but body language speaks volumes.
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He got what he wanted from Petty when they were faster last year, then seemed to cut them loose. I think Fords only real hope is to shake things up and bring Penske closer to home base. They got it done in 2012 against huge odds with just 1 fulltime Dodge driver. They got him over to Ford, and now seem willing to squander that to keep Jack happy.
 
I still wonder why Mark Martin left Roush on such bad terms and how many championships he would've won if they had their falling out sooner than they did.
 
BamaFan said:
Ok , I'll ask if anyone can explain in general terms( easy for non-mechanics to understand) the big difference in the engines from make to make.
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Design-wise, I think NASCAR has made an effort to make them as close as possible. It's the builders that tweak them to get the max HP out of them. I think there's an article on the 'net about NASCAR engines from Hot Rod magazine or Popular Hot Rodding.
 
BamaFan said:
Ok , I'll ask if anyone can explain in general terms( easy for non-mechanics to understand) the big difference in the engines from make to make.
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I think mainly the head and intake design. Teams also find specialty coatings for their cams that can give an edge in performance and reliability.

Ford's FR9 was a bit unique because it focused a bit more on lower center of gravity and cooling. They had a big advantage at 1.5's for a couple of years because they could use more tape for downforce, but the new cars side downforce seems to have negated that advantage.
 
I brought this up in another thread but does anyone think Penske could supplant Roush as the premier Ford team?

I feel like bringing in Penske was great for Ford as a brand. Maybe the execs up at Ford realize that Roger might be the way to bring the blue oval back to the promise land. We all know about Jack's long standing relationship but Roger has just as many business connections and IMO has the superior race team.
 
I really think a lot of it is just that not only they are out numbered. They spent the first part of the year not working together. (Roush and Penske) Carl said something recently how they've learned to work together more lately and its showed in their performance. Greg said a while back that they were missing something but they were close. I think Brad would rather put the sport down and blame it on NASCAR then Ford.. and Joeys just happy to be there. They're catching up but I do think the Chevys have the shorter tracks figured out a little more.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I still wonder why Mark Martin left Roush on such bad terms and how many championships he would've won if they had their falling out sooner than they did.
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Look at Matt. I give Roush credit for doing so much to develop new talent, but he's old and tired and his people aren't keeping up anymore. Roush used to be a powerhouse in NW, but now it's JGR and Penske that over shadow him almost every week. They just don't seem to attract the top talent behind the scenes anymore.
 
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