Is it time for timed races?

FLRacingFan said:
NASCAR is literally the only racing organization I can think of that doesn't do this. Even on F1 race days fans are treated to some combination of GP2, Porsche GT3 Cup, Ferrari Challenge, and vintage races in the morning.
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Saturday night Sprint Cup races are even worse. They have literally all day to put something on the track but they don't.

Just another reason open wheel racing > NASCAR.
 
I was really hoping NASCAR would do heat races and run those on race day or something. But, instead, they decided to import a qualifying system from open wheel racing when they imported their points system from NHRA to replace the system they imported from USAR.
 
BobbyFord said:
I hope they keep the F1 out of NASCAR.
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They've already brought "the F1" in to NASCAR. Look up "Knockout Qualifying".

And if NASCAR races were half as exciting as last week's F1 race, viewership wouldn't be declining double digits each week.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Funny, a bunch of us watched entire races in the rec center in college.
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That'd be cool to do. I'll watch whole races and some buds of mine will pop in and out. But CFB rules here (and I dont mind that at all. SEC SEC SEC! :D).
 
I'd rather Nascar not go to timed races as I'm not crazy about them in other forms of racing but have learned to accept it as part of the package.

Although I don't quite agree with Andy that IndyCar has blown Nascar out of the water, I do concur that there has been much more action in both F1 and IndyCar this year.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Both. Shoot, there was even a Nats player a month or so ago who said he can't watch any other baseball games outside of his own because he finds it too long. Completely agree on the pre-race show.
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Anthony Rendon didnt say it was too long it was because Baseball was too boring of a game and because of that it is long to him. The length would never be an issue if the product is fast paced action packed without lags. BAseball in my opinion was meant to be long and drawn out. I have always compared Baseball and Nascar as a relationship. You invest a lot into it, its a very long season, the games/races are time consuming. Football which is king is more like an affair. Its weekly appointment TV, lasts for the day and then you want it more as the following week winds down. Its fast paced with tons of action.

As NAscar fans we need to face the facts. We are different. IF you watch Nascar on a high level, the odds are you watch almost anything that has wheels and if it were horse and buggy you'd watch that too. The people who are saying that it is too long are not like us and will never be like us. I am a hockey fan. I understand that most people are not hockey fans. Hockey like Nascar is very technical and has a lot of nuances that hard core fans understand. When someone says "Nascar? I have no intrest in seeing cars go round and round." We think they just dont understand how they get those cars to do that at such a consistent level. The fact is that they are not interested in that. Even if they knew they would still not get it.

Football makes it easy for the fringe fan. Fans like to see guys go one on one and hit each other. THey do not care about the technical aspect like the footwork of a WR at the line of scrimmage.

On the topic of the timed races ideas, I have never really liked the idea of it, but they definitely need to shorten up some of the bigger tracks. Dont like the segment idea either. I always feel like it kills the flow of the race.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
Anthony Rendon didnt say it was too long it was because Baseball was too boring of a game and because of that it is long to him. The length would never be an issue if the product is fast paced action packed without lags. BAseball in my opinion was meant to be long and drawn out. I have always compared Baseball and Nascar as a relationship. You invest a lot into it, its a very long season, the games/races are time consuming. Football which is king is more like an affair. Its weekly appointment TV, lasts for the day and then you want it more as the following week winds down. Its fast paced with tons of action.

As NAscar fans we need to face the facts. We are different. IF you watch Nascar on a high level, the odds are you watch almost anything that has wheels and if it were horse and buggy you'd watch that too. The people who are saying that it is too long are not like us and will never be like us. I am a hockey fan. I understand that most people are not hockey fans. Hockey like Nascar is very technical and has a lot of nuances that hard core fans understand. When someone says "Nascar? I have no intrest in seeing cars go round and round." We think they just dont understand how they get those cars to do that at such a consistent level. The fact is that they are not interested in that. Even if they knew they would still not get it.

Football makes it easy for the fringe fan. Fans like to see guys go one on one and hit each other. THey do not care about the technical aspect like the footwork of a WR at the line of scrimmage.

On the topic of the timed races ideas, I have never really liked the idea of it, but they definitely need to shorten up some of the bigger tracks. Dont like the segment idea either. I always feel like it kills the flow of the race.
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good job Clarkfan,I like the "different" part, well said. We probably disagree a bit on the timed races part. I'll watch a lawmower race if it is on. I haven't seen a stick n ball game in I can't remember when. Got a lot of crossover fans that don't have the attention span needed to watch a race that involves strategy, goes right over their heads and all kinds of crazy stuff comes out their mouths. Mostly the same ones say they don't like wrecks, but love the larger version of Bowman Grey, the short tracks. On the other hand they say they hate the restrictor plate races... go figure. But the minute a suggestion is brought up to alter the length of a race, any race, the same ones...well, you know the rest. I think timed races have their place when it is a safety issue with darkness coming, instead of calling the race off, if there is time to run enough laps to make it a race they could either use the time, or laps. Problem is with laps, you have cautions to deal with so it isn't a reliable way to end a race. got to remember fan outcry..can't end a race under caution, got to get the back markers out of the way on restarts, no racing back to the cautions..these are procedures or lack of that took a lot of danger out of the sport, but also took away some of the excitement. Years and years of changing this and that for the "fans" including the "chase". But it is all Brian's fault.:owquitit:o_O
 
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StandOnIt said:
Mostly the same ones say they don't like wrecks, but love the larger version of Bowman Grey, the short tracks.
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I haven't seen many attempted murders at Bristol, Richmond, and Martinsville recently.

StandOnIt said:
I think timed races have their place when it is a safety issue with darkness coming, instead of calling the race off, if there is time to run enough laps to make it a race they could either use the time, or laps. Problem is with laps, you have cautions to deal with so it isn't a reliable way to end a race.
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They cut the Nationwide race distance at Talladega spring 2013 because darkness was closing in and the track doesn't have lights. I think it was 10 laps they decided to cut off.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I haven't seen many attempted murders at Bristol, Richmond, and Martinsville recently.


They cut the Nationwide race distance at Talladega spring 2013 because darkness was closing in and the track doesn't have lights. I think it was 10 laps they decided to cut off.
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If they grouped three of them together like D.W. suggested, it would be a "fan" favorite.
Not a good way to do it by cutting laps..of course you can't end a race on a caution, so there ya go. Timed is safer and better for darkness.
 
StandOnIt said:
If they grouped three of them together like D.W. suggested, it would be a "fan" favorite.
Not a good way to do it by cutting laps..of course you can't end a race on a caution, so there ya go. Timed is safer and better for darkness.
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In that case they restrict the number of GWC attempts to one.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
But television pays the bills. You and 60,000 other people who go to the race might want to see 500 miles of racing, but NASCAR has to think about the five million people watching the races. NBC's paying $4.4 billion to be there, so... :idunno:
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So let's cut attendance even further and put the concessions and souvenir folks out of business! Sounds like a great plan. Oh, and timed races won't help.

Until NASCAR sheds its perception among casual observers as a hillbilly sport, it's going to continue to decline.
 
Matthew2470 said:
So let's cut attendance even further and put the concessions and souvenir folks out of business! Sounds like a great plan. Oh, and timed races won't help.

Until NASCAR sheds its perception among casual observers as a hillbilly sport, it's going to continue to decline.
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NASCAR can't shed that image so long as they try to cling to Earnhardt's legacy. 13 years later.
 
As for attendance - it would help if it didn't cost an arm and leg to go to a NASCAR race. Cutting laps won't hurt attendance. If the racing is better, more fans will want to go. Wanting "more laps" for your money is a purists way of thinking.
 
Indy car racing... if theres one thing more boring than watching a nascar race @ TMS, its watching indy cars hold it wide open all the way around at TMS for several hundred laps.
 
FLRacingFan said:
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FLRacingFan said:
You must've watched a different Indy 500 from everyone else.

One race doesn't make up the whole schedule anyways. :idunno:
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No, but its the exact same effect that NASCAR has on my generation when they see cars spread the hell out & the leader 6 seconds out there.

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Was the sound of changing the channel.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
As for attendance - it would help if it didn't cost an arm and leg to go to a NASCAR race. Cutting laps won't hurt attendance. If the racing is better, more fans will want to go. Wanting "more laps" for your money is a purists way of thinking.
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What's wrong with being a purist?
 
ChexOrWrex said:
No, but its the exact same effect that NASCAR has on my generation when they see cars spread the hell out & the leader 6 seconds out there.

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Was the sound of changing the channel.
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The only NASCAR races from this year that were as interesting were the Bristol and Richmond Cup races and the Truck race at Eldora.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
What's wrong with being a purist?
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More laps = more value is flawed logic. The feature at Eldora didn't even last a full 90 minutes and it was better than 90% of the Cup races this year. If ticket prices were the same across the board I still would've chosen those 75 miles on dirt over four hours and 500 miles at Texas.
 
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