Is it time for timed races?

Damn, you guys are easily entertained. A good finish for me is two cars rubbing fenders and getting sideways coming out of four, beating on each other all the way to the checkers.
Open wheel...yawn.
 
BobbyFord said:
Damn, you guys are easily entertained. A good finish for me is two cars rubbing fenders and getting sideways coming out of four, beating on each other all the way to the checkers.
Open wheel...yawn.
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So demolition derbies are entertaining to you?
 
BobbyFord said:
Damn, you guys are easily entertained. A good finish for me is two cars rubbing fenders and getting sideways coming out of four, beating on each other all the way to the checkers.
Open wheel...yawn.
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If "beating and banging" is your thing, there's more of that at a given street course race then there is at any Cup track not named Martinsville, Bristol, Richmond, Sonoma, or Watkins Glen.
 
FLRacingFan said:
If "beating and banging" is your thing, there's more of that at a given street course race then there is at any Cup track not named Martinsville, Bristol, Richmond, Sonoma, or Watkins Glen.
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Yeah... NASCAR is the new F1 of 1999-2006! Boring follow-the-leader bull****.

But I guess it's better because um, there are no uncircumcised foreigners in it or something.
 
A single chance of beating & banging beats a zero chance of beating & banging.
Open wheel is high speed butterfly swatting.
 
I enjoy both NASCAR and Indy Car, F1 not so much. I do have to say overall I think Indy Car has put on better shows this year than NASCAR has. Doesn't mean I don't still enjoy NASCAR though.
 
KevinWI said:
Or you could tolerate ideas that are different from yours?
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I'm fine to argue open wheel in the Open Wheel section.
I don't want to argue open wheel in the NASCAR section. I'm funny like that.
I don't like open wheel, so I don't frequent the Open Wheel section. I'm doing my best to avoid open wheel conflict but you ADHD guys want to bring it to the NASCAR section :idunno:
 
Not gonna get into the whole NASCAR vs. open wheel silliness. Everyone's entitled to their voice their opinion on the subject, though, and doing so doesn't make them a troll.

That being said, those of you who claim that NASCAR has been boring this year are confusing me because I thought we were pretty much all in agreement that it hasn't been. We've seen plenty of good Cup racing so far this year, and the fact that we've had a few lackluster races during the summer doesn't change that. I suppose I'm in the minority on this, but I actually feel like overall, the racing in NASCAR has been pretty darn good over the last few years. We've had plenty of close or dramatic finishes, we've seen long winless streaks being broken, we've seen guys who had not performed well or fallen into a bit of a rut step their game up tremendously, we've had the "boys, have at it" era, and we've had plenty of controversy and such to go along with it all and discuss passionately on here. I could go on forever.

Points system be damned, the actual racing has been really good lately IMO.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Not gonna get into the whole NASCAR vs. open wheel silliness. Everyone's entitled to their voice their opinion on the subject, though, and doing so doesn't make them a troll.

That being said, those of you who claim that NASCAR has been boring this year are confusing me because I thought we were pretty much all in agreement that it hasn't been. We've seen plenty of good Cup racing so far this year, and the fact that we've had a few lackluster races during the summer doesn't change that. I suppose I'm in the minority on this, but I actually feel like overall, the racing in NASCAR has been pretty darn good over the last few years. We've had plenty of close or dramatic finishes, we've seen long winless streaks being broken, we've seen guys who had not performed well or fallen into a bit of a rut step their game up tremendously, we've had the "boys, have at it" era, and we've had plenty of controversy and such to go along with it all and discuss passionately on here. I could go on forever.

Points system be damned, the actual racing has been really good lately IMO.
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FWIW, it was the "high-speed butterfly swatting" comment that set me off. If I made a comment about racing taxi cabs or something similar to that I'd expect the same reaction.

My guess would be because the summer stretch is, even as you said, pretty lackluster. The beginning of the season was good because there were different winners literally every week and it's front-loaded with tracks like Phoenix, Bristol, Fontana, Martinsville, and Richmond that, more often than not, put on a good show. After April ends the only races I can remember that did relatively well in the Rate the Race threads were Sonoma and possibly Kansas (along with Road America and Eldora from the other two series). Get to places like Kentucky and Indianapolis and even drivers are getting out of the cars saying it was impossible to pass. It's a shame because NASCAR has no competition other than baseball right now which this sport is capable of absolutely dominating.

I see it turning around next weekend at Watkins Glen and continuing on through the Mid Ohio-Bristol-Atlanta-Richmond stretch, which is probably the best of the year. Unfortunately, come Chase time the only race most people seem to really get up for is Martinsville and to a lesser extent Phoenix and Homestead.

I still consider the early 2000's more fun to watch but that's for a different thread.
 
FLRacingFan said:
FWIW, it was the "high-speed butterfly swatting" comment that set me off. If I made a comment about racing taxi cabs or something similar to that I'd expect the same reaction.
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Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. I can't speak for Bobby but he probably felt a similar feeling when a few of you started talking about how much better open wheel is than NASCAR. Inflamed rhetoric or not, that opinion will naturally draw a reaction from somebody in the NASCAR section.

FLRacingFan said:
My guess would be because the summer stretch is, even as you said, pretty lackluster. The beginning of the season was good because there were different winners literally every week and it's front-loaded with tracks like Phoenix, Bristol, Fontana, Martinsville, and Richmond that, more often than not, put on a good show. After April ends the only races I can remember that did relatively well in the Rate the Race threads were Sonoma and possibly Kansas (along with Road America and Eldora from the other two series). Get to places like Kentucky and Indianapolis and even drivers are getting out of the cars saying it was impossible to pass. It's a shame because NASCAR has no competition other than baseball right now which this sport is capable of absolutely dominating.

I see it turning around next weekend at Watkins Glen and continuing on through the Mid Ohio-Bristol-Atlanta-Richmond stretch, which is probably the best of the year. Unfortunately, come Chase time the only race most people seem to really get up for is Martinsville and to a lesser extent Phoenix and Homestead.

I still consider the early 2000's more fun to watch but that's for a different thread.
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The Daytona 500 didn't have a photo finish but that was the best RP race I've seen in a long time, and I'm not even saying that because Junior won it. Cali has only gotten more exciting over the last couple of years, but yeah, that race was good too. (I can admit that even though I've always liked that track - yet I dislike Michigan. Makes sense, I know.) We had a good finish at that cookie cutter Vegas though, and the first Pocono race had a good finish, even if Brad had to literally throw the race away for it to happen. Darlington also had a decent finish, although it took two GWCs for it to happen and the dominant car won in the end.

I agree with you on Indy, even though I actually do like flat tracks. If not for the prestige of that track, I'd say it should be dropped from the schedule. I also agree on Kentucky. That and Dover are probably my two least favorite tracks, and if they were both dropped tomorrow, I wouldn't shed any tears.
 
Does anyone know if there is a maximum length to a utube video ? If Nascar could get the race time down to a utube video length , I'm sure that would please all the bubble headed new fans . Of course , their attention span seems to get shorter each year.
 
ted@economy said:
Does anyone know if there is a maximum length to a utube video ? If Nascar could get the race time down to a utube video length , I'm sure that would please all the bubble headed new fans . Of course , their attention span seems to get shorter each year.
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The maximum file size is 128 GB and the maximum duration is 11 hours.

There are full length movies on YouTube. Another thing YouTube can do is broadcast live events. My kid would watch a race on his tablet in a heartbeat.
 
Maybe it's time to stop bending over for the "me, now...or else" crowd and tell them that if they don't like it, they can go back to playing with themselves on Twitter.
 
#17D500winner said:
Maybe it's time to stop bending over for the "me, now...or else" crowd and tell them that if they don't like it, they can go back to playing with themselves on Twitter.
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That's great in theory but the sport will die. It needs to be fun to watch. I'm a purist in many ways but I'm also a realist.
 
FLRacingFan said:
If "beating and banging" is your thing, there's more of that at a given street course race then there is at any Cup track not named Martinsville, Bristol, Richmond, Sonoma, or Watkins Glen.
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There was more contact in the three Baltimore races than there has been in NASCAR in the last 15 years.
 
KevinWI said:
Yeah... NASCAR is the new F1 of 1999-2006! Boring follow-the-leader bull****.

But I guess it's better because um, there are no uncircumcised foreigners in it or something.
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derrrrrp. You aren't very bright, are you?
 
Matthew2470 said:
That's great in theory but the sport will die. It needs to be fun to watch. I'm a purist in many ways but I'm also a realist.
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I believe that to be the perception but what happens when the next latest thing comes along and instant gratification no longer satiates them?
 
The open wheel is better than Nascar crap was started by you know who..again. Anyway back on topic. Today is what I am talking about, rain threatening, no lights, huge track. They have already moved up the start so if it rains, we can watch the blow dryers. No tires to run if it is damp, but hours of delays if it is even misting. All but the most avid Nascar fan won't hang around.
 
If it rains we will have the race to half drama, then we will wait for one drop to fall after that. If a little bitty shower as much as dampens one corner, hours of delays can result, no intermediate tire to put on and keep going. IMO this is probably something one of the fore fathers came up with back in the day, and has been carried on as a family tradition to be different than the other guys. IMO it isn't a good tradition to continue. Teams having to stay at the track another day, having to pay for another day on the road, scrambling to change travel reservations, not to mention all the TV / media people having to reschedule..and last but not least, all the fans who have to be at work.
 
FLRacingFan said:
If "beating and banging" is your thing, there's more of that at a given street course race then there is at any Cup track not named Martinsville, Bristol, Richmond, Sonoma, or Watkins Glen.
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That's obviously false, and you know it. There's a word for people who repeatedly state falsehoods.
 
Television likes things in neat time packages. NASCAR racing is prone to weather delays which can really mess up the network programming. But NASCAR races aren't about television convenience, its about the fans. As a fan I like the status quo because I'm used to it. If NASCAR wants to experiment with timed races they should try it in one of the other series.

As far as timed events go, I like the new qualifying process for most races.
 
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