It's Monster

Simple Fan said:
No ways those numbers are correct. 2 years 20 million a year is silly and anyone who believes it is silly.
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I don't know how many years this deal is for, but it is absolutely 20 million per year, and the teams are pissed about it. Think about this - why should Lowe's pay ~30 million a year for the 48, when they could have had the entire SERIES? It's Brian being Brian. Shouldn't be that surprising by now, unfortunately.
 
NASCAR is on really shaky ground if this is true. The whole series is worth less than many individual player yearly salaries in the major stick and ball sports...
 
29-4 said:
NASCAR is on really shaky ground if this is true. The whole series is worth less than many individual player yearly salaries in the major stick and ball sports...
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The series is worth what television is willing to pay for it.

The guy who owns the 48 and his RTA partners know that.
 
aunty dive said:
The series is worth what television is willing to pay for it.

The guy who owns the 48 and his RTA partners know that.
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Yep, just like everything else in this world..... it's worth whatever they're willing to pay and that price will adjust accordingly.

Who knows, maybe Monster is the Second Coming as NASCAR's savior? Whatever their unannounced ideas are may make a difference in the long run creating equity in the sport again. By the time those television contract renegotiation's roll around again, value may be there.

In any event, this sport will be around in some form or another. I'll be watching whether it's on FOX, NBC or the Home Shopping Network and people here will still be predicting the pending doom of the sport that they've been watching a lifetime.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
In any event, this sport will be around in some form or another. I'll be watching whether it's on FOX, NBC or the Home Shopping Network and people here will still be predicting the pending doom of the sport that they've been watching a lifetime.
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Maybe we'll be the last 2 fans.
 
aunty dive said:
The series is worth what television is willing to pay for it.

The guy who owns the 48 and his RTA partners know that.
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Aunty, you always point to the TV deal as a sign the sport is healthy. More and more, this seems like an economist pointing to increased sales of cardboard boxes during the Great Depression as a sign the economy is doing well. You may be content to whistle past the graveyard, but I think change is needed to save the sport.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Just NBC's contract. NBC's networks are commercial city as of late, must be them trying to recoup what they overpaid for.
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At the time apologists said the television contracts with FX1 and NBCS were going to enrich them beyond belief as with the addition of Nascar programming they would be able to charge cable and satellite providers much more dough so they could not help but make a lot of money. If that has happened it is a secret as I have not been able to find any source that provides any information regarding that.
 
29-4 said:
Aunty, you always point to the TV deal as a sign the sport is healthy. More and more, this seems like an economist pointing to increased sales of cardboard boxes during the Great Depression as a sign the economy is doing well. You may be content to whistle past the graveyard, but I think change is needed to save the sport.
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Always and never. Two very over-used words.

I don't reference the TV deal as a health indicator, I simply point to its reality. On a relative scale, the Monster money is peanuts.

I agree that some changes are required. Going backward in time is not one of them.
 
29-4 said:
NASCAR is on really shaky ground if this is true. The whole series is worth less than many individual player yearly salaries in the major stick and ball sports...
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It may have been better for Nascar to go without a title sponsor then take chump change for it and alienate team sponsors.
 
ToyYoda said:
Goodell is almost as bad as Brian France, but fortunately Goodell has the team owners to keep him in check when he wants to do something stupid. The RTA is nowhere near that level of power yet.
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Goodell is an idiot on a relatively short leash thank goodness.
 
29-4 said:
Aunty, you always point to the TV deal as a sign the sport is healthy. More and more, this seems like an economist pointing to increased sales of cardboard boxes during the Great Depression as a sign the economy is doing well. You may be content to whistle past the graveyard, but I think change is needed to save the sport.
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That is the way I see it as when you take something out of context or totality you can finagle it to say whatever you want it to. The truth is in the last decade or so Nascar has lost half its fan base, the tracks have ripped out hundreds of thousands of seats, over half Nascar's fans are aged 55 and older and Nascar suffered a multi million drop in viewers over 2015 which continued a long running theme. The title sponsor search wasn't as much of a search as it was Nascar going hat in hand to companies and having the door slammed in its face. Monster dictated its terms to Nascar and Nascar had to capitulate or have no title sponser at all.

Despite the best efforts of Nascar to divest itself of fans and supporters all is not lost but the patient is in serious condition and needs to hear some good news.
 
ToyYoda said:
Goodell is almost as bad as Brian France, but fortunately Goodell has the team owners to keep him in check when he wants to do something stupid. The RTA is nowhere near that level of power yet.
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Goodell is fairly bad, but he is nowhere near as destructive to the NFL as Brian has been to NASCAR. Goodell didn't move the Green Bay Packers to Los Angeles (similar in my mind to getting rid of Rockingham). Goodell didn't decree that the team that is behind gets free points at the end of every quarter (similar to BS cautions). Goodell didn't alter the playoff format that had worked for decades, and continue to meddle with it on a seemingly yearly basis (Chase).
 
Man everyone hates Brian France. Personally I think he's done a pretty good job. The Chase was the right way to go and they have it right now with wins being more important than ever. The Monster deal is all speculation right now and until anything official comes out I just don't believe the reports. Only thing that bothers me about France is the political correctness that he has kind of implemented. Other than that I think he's done a good job.
 
Simple Fan said:
Man everyone hates Brian France. Personally I think he's done a pretty good job. The Chase was the right way to go and they have it right now with wins being more important than ever. The Monster deal is all speculation right now and until anything official comes out I just don't believe the reports. Only thing that bothers me about France is the political correctness that he has kind of implemented. Other than that I think he's done a good job.
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Brian, is that you? ;)
 
ToyYoda said:
Goodell is almost as bad as Brian France, but fortunately Goodell has the team owners to keep him in check when he wants to do something stupid. The RTA is nowhere near that level of power yet.
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The RTA won't get to that level. Remember, Goodell works for the owners. The CEO of NASCAR will never report to the RTA.
 
29-4 said:
Goodell is fairly bad, but he is nowhere near as destructive to the NFL as Brian has been to NASCAR. Goodell didn't move the Green Bay Packers to Los Angeles (similar in my mind to getting rid of Rockingham). Goodell didn't decree that the team that is behind gets free points at the end of every quarter (similar to BS cautions). Goodell didn't alter the playoff format that had worked for decades, and continue to meddle with it on a seemingly yearly basis (Chase).
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Minor quibble - moving the race from Rockingham was completely an SMI / Bruton Smith operation.
 
Simple Fan said:
Sorry but no I'm not Brian. Just a NASCAR fan that doesn't hate him.
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That's a rarity here. I thought it was in the racing-forums.com bylaws that hating BF was to be agreed on when signing up for this forum? I could be mistaking that for the NASCAR Fan Council I guess.
 
29-4 said:
Goodell is fairly bad, but he is nowhere near as destructive to the NFL as Brian has been to NASCAR. Goodell didn't move the Green Bay Packers to Los Angeles (similar in my mind to getting rid of Rockingham). Goodell didn't decree that the team that is behind gets free points at the end of every quarter (similar to BS cautions). Goodell didn't alter the playoff format that had worked for decades, and continue to meddle with it on a seemingly yearly basis (Chase).
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Disagree entirely. The recent decisions by the NFL have been much worse than anything NASCAR has done.

And the modern changes this sport has done isn't close to what the NHL has done either, the sport doesn't even resemble itself from before the lockout.

While I am not a huge fan of some of the rule changes including the new chase style, I'm really not that concerned with titles as I am with the entertainment factor of the racing. And this season was some of the best I have ever seen

Bottom line is this is a sport who's almost entire base is blue collar, and that group was absolutely hammered in the Great Recession. Other sports have recovered as they have large club and suite sections to help ticket prices and secure upper class eyes. But the NASCAR demographic is much more defined than other pro sports and it took quite a hit
 
29-4 said:
NASCAR is on really shaky ground if this is true. The whole series is worth less than many individual player yearly salaries in the major stick and ball sports...
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Agree with the first part of your post, but as far as the second part, the title sponsorship of the top series is worth less than many individual player salaries, not "the whole series." NASCAR as a whole series is (probably) worth billions. As far as ROI, $20m seems to me a more reasonable fee than $90m or whatever crazy number Sprint was paying per year (even before NASCAR's decline). Mostly because you can take whatever the sponsorship number is and tack on a whole lot more in terms of actual investment (meaning, Sprint probably spent another $20-40m or so activating the sponsorship). I don't care how popular NASCAR is/was, you can't convince me that's money well spent...
 
Simple Fan said:
The Monster deal is all speculation right now and until anything official comes out I just don't believe the reports.
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You can choose not to believe multiple independent reporters and their sources if you want, that's your prerogative. However, no, it is not "all speculation". That's not how reporting works. Somebody that those reporters trust and had reason to believe were in a position to know gave them those figures. Nothing official will ever come out. NASCAR was clear that they will not release the terms of the agreement. They didn't release the terms of the previous agreements either, details only came out via media reports.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I don't hate him. I think he's as misguided as an ICMB without a gyroscope but capable of doing more damage, but I don't hate him.
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Me either as hatred has to be the worst emotion to have with jealousy running a close second. I see Brian as incompetent and out of touch but nothing even close to hatred.
 
Mispeedway15 said:
Disagree entirely. The recent decisions by the NFL have been much worse than anything NASCAR has done.

And the modern changes this sport has done isn't close to what the NHL has done either, the sport doesn't even resemble itself from before the lockout.

While I am not a huge fan of some of the rule changes including the new chase style, I'm really not that concerned with titles as I am with the entertainment factor of the racing. And this season was some of the best I have ever seen

Bottom line is this is a sport who's almost entire base is blue collar, and that group was absolutely hammered in the Great Recession. Other sports have recovered as they have large club and suite sections to help ticket prices and secure upper class eyes. But the NASCAR demographic is much more defined than other pro sports and it took quite a hit
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The realignment of the NFL divisions had no impact on play and the NHL pre-lockout was a boring neutral zone trap travesty where the best players were mauled on a nighly basis without repercussion. The NHL is in great shape today as if the NFL.
 
Simple Fan said:
Man everyone hates Brian France. Personally I think he's done a pretty good job. The Chase was the right way to go and they have it right now with wins being more important than ever. The Monster deal is all speculation right now and until anything official comes out I just don't believe the reports. Only thing that bothers me about France is the political correctness that he has kind of implemented. Other than that I think he's done a good job.
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Before the low downforce package was decided, Brian France wanted to run an increased downforce package with massive spoilers and canards that would have absolutely destroyed the quality of racing. His idea was to try to have pack drafting *everywhere*. That's just not feasible and shows that he doesn't have a single clue about racecars.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
The realignment of the NFL divisions had no impact on play and the NHL pre-lockout was a boring neutral zone trap travesty where the best players were mauled on a nighly basis without repercussion. The NHL is in great shape today as if the NFL.
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Who cares about the divisional realignments. It's the terrible rules changes, things like deflategate and suspensions that would vary from player to player even though the situation was the same, and now the new Thursday Night Football travesty.

The thing is I see NASCAR like golf in that I'm more worried about individual events than season points races. Not that I don't like the Chase or the Fedex Cup, but I'm more interested in the majors like the Southern 500, Daytona 500, and Bristol night race
 
cheesepuffs said:
Before the low downforce package was decided, Brian France wanted to run an increased downforce package with massive spoilers and canards that would have absolutely destroyed the quality of racing. His idea was to try to have pack drafting *everywhere*. That's just not feasible and shows that he doesn't have a single clue about racecars.
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This is correct. Anyone remember the episode of "Seinfeld" in which George suddenly found great success by doing the exact opposite of his every instinct? Adopting that philosophy is the only way Brian France would ever be a good leader.
 
kymartin6 said:
And I can't ever imagine that the money that was spent on the T.V. contracts was money well spent.... I would imagine the next round of negotiations will be much different.
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There's no way to know what factors will be in play 8 years in the future.

For example, it's possible that far fewer people will be viewing sports broadcasts on television while far more access them on other platforms. Time will tell.
 
gnomesayin said:
This is correct. Anyone remember the episode of "Seinfeld" in which George suddenly found great success by doing the exact opposite of his every instinct? Adopting that philosophy is the only way Brian France would ever be a good leader.
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Or, him taking the lead on stepping down from his position:laugh:
 
Ownership has its privileges. The only entity capable of moving this guy out of his chair is the RTA.

I doubt that will ever happen.
 
aunty dive said:
Ownership has its privileges. The only entity capable of moving this guy out of his chair is the RTA.

I doubt that will ever happen.
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Of course not, he wont voluntary step down, and I really cant see the RTA opening up that can of worms for the chance that it could back fire, and that would make for some awkward moments
 
If they did anything, it would involve writing a large check.
 
aunty dive said:
There's no way to know what factors will be in play 8 years in the future.

For example, it's possible that far fewer people will be viewing sports broadcasts on television while far more access them on other platforms. Time will tell.
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In 8 years most people will still likely be watching on a device that resembles a TV in the same places that people have since the days of Uncle Miltie. Of course one never knows as we all may be wearing virtual reality head gear where we can manipulate the racing the way we want by that time.
 
cheesepuffs said:
What the heck is the RTA gonna do? Brian is the France family and the France family is NASCAR. Brian isn't stepping down for anybody.
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IDK where the idea comes from that the RTA has any power because they don't. It is a case of the golden rule as in he who has the gold makes the rules and Nascar has the gold. The RTA can make some noise but at the end of the day it is just saber rattling.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
IDK where the idea comes from that the RTA has any power because they don't. It is a case of the golden rule as in he who has the gold makes the rules and Nascar has the gold. The RTA can make some noise but at the end of the day it is just saber rattling.
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The RTA is just a farce..... they have no power at all..... these charters that were handed out by Brian was just a smoke and mirror deal to satisfy demands ..... they mean nothing....... Nascar controls everything and always will.....
 
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