Jeff Burton?

ted@economy said:
Mark Martin 40 wins over 30 yrs . Had two or three good years , but for the most part 1 win per year.
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IMO, Mark Martin has always been of the verge of greatness but seems to fall short.

#17D500winner said:
Keselowski 5 yrs, 6 wins
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It's true he got in a cup car 5 years ago, but Brad has just 3 years worth of races under his belt with 4 different CC's. IMO, he's already a better driver than Jeff Burton ever was and it won't take him long to reach 20 wins.
 
FenderBumper said:
IMO, Mark Martin has always been of the verge of greatness but seems to fall short.



It's true he got in a cup car 5 years ago, but Brad has just 3 years worth of races under his belt with 4 different CC's. IMO, he's already a better driver than Jeff Burton ever was and it won't take him long to reach 20 wins.
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Burton did win 7 races in a season. Not to mention he is the only driver who has led every lap of a 500 mile race. If Jeff had better equipment then he would win alot more
 
Rowdy said:
Burton did win 7 races in a season. Not to mention he is the only driver who has led every lap of a 500 mile race. If Jeff had better equipment then he would win alot more
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IDK, he has a lot of goose eggs in the win column, but maybe you're right. We'll never know, because his best chances are behind him for sure.
 
FenderBumper said:
IMO, Mark Martin has always been of the verge of greatness but seems to fall short.



It's true he got in a cup car 5 years ago, but Brad has just 3 years worth of races under his belt with 4 different CC's. IMO, he's already a better driver than Jeff Burton ever was and it won't take him long to reach 20 wins.
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While I agree that Keselowski is a good driver, I'm not willing to go quite that far yet. More than a few drivers have made a splash in Nascar and then had trouble reaching that 20 win plateau. Newman, K.Petty, McMurray, Mayfield, G.Bodine and Sadler all come to mind.

I think this stint with HMS will also tell the tale of just how good Kahne actually is.

Thanks for allowing me oppurtunity to disagree with you :)
 
FenderBumper said:
lol I misspelled it, so you were probably think of the Fish.
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LOL. No. That would be pollock. I thought you meant some racing team named Pollack and then I spelled Polish wrong and now it's just a mess. I'm heading out for beer drinking and Soccer watching(mostly beer) in a few so I'll be fine in a bit.
 
#17D500winner said:
LOL. No. That would be pollock. I thought you meant some racing team named Pollack and then I spelled Polish wrong and now it's just a mess. I'm heading out for beer drinking and Soccer watching(mostly beer) in a few so I'll be fine in a bit.
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lol and I went and changed the spelling to make you feel better. ;)
 
Ok here is a little blasphemy or the unexpected.


What if 'papa' RCR wanted Kurt Busch in the car for 2013. Sounds insane but heres the insane reasoning,



Papa wants the grand boys in his Race Cars.

-He keeps Harvicks who has been his best performer in recent years.
-He keeps Menard, he is money (if Menard leaves it is his call, money yada, yada, yada.)
-He couldn't keep Bowyer because he is still young enough to command a long term deal. Keeping Harvicks and Menards meant to that Clint had to go, to keep to vacancies in place when needed.


He could bring Austin up in 2013 into a fourth team if he has sponsorship. If not Burton gets dumped if they decide to bring him up anyway. But if the fourth team is there for him, Burton could be dumped for a one year gig with Kurt.



In 2014 or 15, they will bring Ty up and RCR only has four seats, Burton without a doubt is done by then.
 
When ty and Austin come up, I wouldn't be surprised to see Harvick leave for an SHR or HMS ride.
 
Greg said:
Ok here is a little blasphemy or the unexpected.


What if 'papa' RCR wanted Kurt Busch in the car for 2013. Sounds insane but heres the insane reasoning,



Papa wants the grand boys in his Race Cars.

-He keeps Harvicks who has been his best performer in recent years.
-He keeps Menard, he is money (if Menard leaves it is his call, money yada, yada, yada.)
-He couldn't keep Bowyer because he is still young enough to command a long term deal. Keeping Harvicks and Menards meant to that Clint had to go, to keep to vacancies in place when needed.


He could bring Austin up in 2013 into a fourth team if he has sponsorship. If not Burton gets dumped if they decide to bring him up anyway. But if the fourth team is there for him, Burton could be dumped for a one year gig with Kurt.



In 2014 or 15, they will bring Ty up and RCR only has four seats, Burton without a doubt is done by then.
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I will be getting rid of everything RCR if Kurt is there.
 
JimmieGordon2448 said:
I see Vickers in the 55, no matter what.
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I wonder how much MWR's turnaround had to do with Mark Martin being there though. Look what Mark did for Ginn/EGR across the board and, within a year and a half of him leaving, look how the entire organization fell to ****.

MWR is now the third Cup team to turn around and become contenders when Martin came on board. Could be coincidence, but it looks to me like there's something he brings to these organizations. I like Truex but I see him being the odd man out.
 
Rowdy said:
Burton did win 7 races in a season. Not to mention he is the only driver who has led every lap of a 500 mile race. If Jeff had better equipment then he would win alot more
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You can't seriously count that race as meaning something. It was a bad experiment gone wrong and they haven't used restrictor plates on short tracks since. There will never be a worse race then that one.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I wonder how much MWR's turnaround had to do with Mark Martin being there though. Look what Mark did for Ginn/EGR across the board and, within a year and a half of him leaving, look how the entire organization fell to ****.

MWR is now the third Cup team to turn around and become contenders when Martin came on board. Could be coincidence, but it looks to me like there's something he brings to these organizations. I like Truex but I see him being the odd man out.
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Andy we still know who you are even behind the happy face. :rolleyes:
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I wonder how much MWR's turnaround had to do with Mark Martin being there though. Look what Mark did for Ginn/EGR across the board and, within a year and a half of him leaving, look how the entire organization fell to ****.

MWR is now the third Cup team to turn around and become contenders when Martin came on board. Could be coincidence, but it looks to me like there's something he brings to these organizations. I like Truex but I see him being the odd man out.
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IMO, MM helps the drivers, but those cars are light years ahead of last year. I would say Scott Miller as VP of competition is the key. He left RCR, and they fell off quite a bit while MWR has really improved.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I wonder how much MWR's turnaround had to do with Mark Martin being there though. Look what Mark did for Ginn/EGR across the board and, within a year and a half of him leaving, look how the entire organization fell to ****.

MWR is now the third Cup team to turn around and become contenders when Martin came on board. Could be coincidence, but it looks to me like there's something he brings to these organizations. I like Truex but I see him being the odd man out.
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I don't know all their names , but I think MWR got some pretty big guns in the off season to head up their racing program . Including one from RCR who came before Bowyer . These guys may be a lot bigger part of the improvement than the drivers have been . Just sayin. It may also be why some other teams like RCR are down a bit .
 
FenderBumper said:
IMO, MM helps the drivers, but those cars are light years ahead of last year. I would say Scott Miller as VP of competition is the key. He left RCR, and they fell off quite a bit while MWR has really improved.
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He has also resorted to the dreaded tactic of using FACTS. :rolleyes:
 
Dana Harvicks not in the firesuits this year is what is killing RCR.
 
FenderBumper said:
IMO, MM helps the drivers, but those cars are light years ahead of last year. I would say Scott Miller as VP of competition is the key. He left RCR, and they fell off quite a bit while MWR has really improved.
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ted@economy said:
I don't know all their names , but I think MWR got some pretty big guns in the off season to head up their racing program . Including one from RCR who came before Bowyer . These guys may be a lot bigger part of the improvement than the drivers have been . Just sayin. It may also be why some other teams like RCR are down a bit .
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This.

And I also think that Andy is correct in that Having Martin around doesn't hurt.
 
why is this guy still driving the 31 car?? I see a story today saying how he expects to be back in the 31 car next year. I scratch my head. RCR gave bowyer his walking papers in order to keep burton. for those that don't remember bowyer had 5 hour energy wanting to sponsor him I think it was a half season deal. bowyer still had some general mills sponsorship and BB&T, we are talking all but maybe 6-7 races of sponsorship. so bowyer was sent packing and the remaining bowyer sponsorship was shifted over to burton's car along with a largely diminished Cat sponsorship. what I am saying is at the time it looked like bowyer had more sponsorship than burton did without even bring 5 hour on board.

burton is the bobby labonte of the sport these days. I would rather have dinger, kurt busch (first choice) newman, well pretty much anyone short of the hauler driver than jeff burton.
 
Jeff Burton and Bobby Labonte are both veterans of the sport. I get that everything today is a lot more fast paced and whatnot. But Dale Earnhardt and Richard Petty both struggled in the years leading up to their departure from NASCAR as well. RCR as a whole right now is just struggling I think.
 
I would not say RCR is struggling in fact I see the team emerging. kevin has won a race and been running well. kurt busch who is a satellite team, well they are essentially an RCR team has been in contention and could easily have 2 wins this year maybe one more if things got lucky. that 78 car is fast and has speed every week.

to compare jeff burton to 2 7 time champions is missing it. RP should have retired years eariler dale sr was second in points the season before he was killed. jeff burton hasn't won much in the last 10 years and its been 5 since he won at all. he is 46 years old and needs to move on, especially when there is more talent out there available. it must have been tuff to see bowyer win 3 races and be runner up to the title last year.
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't have a clue what you are smoking. You just keep making stuff up.
Here is Boyer's reason for leaving Childress.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20.../12/clint.bowyer.richard.childress/index.html
Here is the result:
http://www.michaelwaltripracing.com...yer-5-hour-energy-join-michael-waltrip-racing

you got it kinda right about Burton..he does expect to drive the car. He has a contract that has one more year on it.
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umm ok I just read the link you posted and it actually confirms what I am contending. well not all the way I am adding the part about BB&T and general mills still being in the mix and ending up being moved to burton's car. it also alludes to clint being very suprised himself a deal couldn't be reached, further the article also states that room was being made for austin dillon. the facts and the tone of the article suggest exactly what I am saying.
 
huh? RCR didn't give Boyer his walking papers, Boyer shopped around and Michael snapped him up. It wasn't a half season deal, it was a primary sponsor deal..freakin race is on, I don't have time for all the rest of it. never mind continue your dream.
 
All Im saying is that Jeff Burton is not a bad race car driver and still deserves to be in a good ride
 
It's my understanding that Caterpillar really likes Jeff Burton, so as long as they're willing to put up the $, he probably has a ride there. My prediction for RCR is that Austin Dillon takes over the 29 (3?) next year, and Ty will move up to take over the 31 when he's ready for Cup and/or when Burton is ready to retire, which should pretty closely coincide. That's why I don't think you'll see Kurt Busch or Ryan Newman driving for RCR, as has been rumored. As for Menard, he's not going anywhere as long as he's bringing Papa's money with him.
 
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