Jeff Burton?

ToyYoda said:
It's my understanding that Caterpillar really likes Jeff Burton, so as long as they're willing to put up the $, he probably has a ride there. My prediction for RCR is that Austin Dillon takes over the 29 (3?) next year, and Ty will move up to take over the 31 when he's ready for Cup and/or when Burton is ready to retire, which should pretty closely coincide. That's why I don't think you'll see Kurt Busch or Ryan Newman driving for RCR, as has been rumored. As for Menard, he's not going anywhere as long as he's bringing Papa's money with him.
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That's the scenario that makes the most sense to me and Burton has done more with that #31 car than any driver before him.

Mike Dillon - Austin/Ty Dillons father - drove one race in the #31 in 1998, substituting for Mike Skinner.
 
ToyYoda said:
It's my understanding that Caterpillar really likes Jeff Burton, so as long as they're willing to put up the $, he probably has a ride there. My prediction for RCR is that Austin Dillon takes over the 29 (3?) next year, and Ty will move up to take over the 31 when he's ready for Cup and/or when Burton is ready to retire, which should pretty closely coincide. That's why I don't think you'll see Kurt Busch or Ryan Newman driving for RCR, as has been rumored. As for Menard, he's not going anywhere as long as he's bringing Papa's money with him.
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DUDE!!! ok finally a reason, so ok CAT like burton roger that. I guess that is a point if the sponsor is willing to pay the money then why look for another driver. this is why sadler stayed in a cup car for so long the sponsors loved him.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
DUDE!!! ok finally a reason, so ok CAT like burton roger that. I guess that is a point if the sponsor is willing to pay the money then why look for another driver. this is why sadler stayed in a cup car for so long the sponsors loved him.
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Dude , that's business.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
DUDE!!! ok finally a reason, so ok CAT like burton roger that. I guess that is a point if the sponsor is willing to pay the money then why look for another driver. this is why sadler stayed in a cup car for so long the sponsors loved him.
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Dude!!! JG could race until he's 65 if he wants because sponsors absolutely love him, In My Opinion. That's life in sponsored sports.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
why is this guy still driving the 31 car?? I see a story today saying how he expects to be back in the 31 car next year. I scratch my head. RCR gave bowyer his walking papers in order to keep burton. for those that don't remember bowyer had 5 hour energy wanting to sponsor him I think it was a half season deal. bowyer still had some general mills sponsorship and BB&T, we are talking all but maybe 6-7 races of sponsorship. so bowyer was sent packing and the remaining bowyer sponsorship was shifted over to burton's car along with a largely diminished Cat sponsorship. what I am saying is at the time it looked like bowyer had more sponsorship than burton did without even bring 5 hour on board.

burton is the bobby labonte of the sport these days. I would rather have dinger, kurt busch (first choice) newman, well pretty much anyone short of the hauler driver than jeff burton.
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Do you have a problem with hauler drivers? You are not giving us very much credit. :)
 
Nitro Dude said:
Do you have a problem with hauler drivers? You are not giving us very much credit. :)
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Don't mind hdc nitro, I'll bet when and if he ever drives into a track its not a hauler parade, jealousy?
 
Johali said:
Don't mind hdc nitro, I'll bet when and if he ever drives into a track its not a hauler parade, jealousy?
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I was just joking with him. LOL. I guess I'm a little bored sitting here in my hotel room waiting to go to the track. We have late qualifying sessions today. 5 pm and 8 pm. It rained one of our sessions out last night.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I was just joking with him. LOL. I guess I'm a little bored sitting here in my hotel room waiting to go to the track. We have late qualifying sessions today. 5 pm and 8 pm. It rained one of our sessions out last night.
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That's a bummer .:(
 
Nitro Dude said:
I was just joking with him. LOL. I guess I'm a little bored sitting here in my hotel room waiting to go to the track. We have late qualifying sessions today. 5 pm and 8 pm. It rained one of our sessions out last night.
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Your too mellow nitro throw a tantrum like andy every once in a while it looks like fun. :)
 
FenderBumper said:
When ty and Austin come up, I wouldn't be surprised to see Harvick leave for an SHR or HMS ride.
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Whoa.... from last summer! I will never doubt Fender again. For all the speculating and "I heard...." (I made up) rumors around here, Fender was spot on with Harvick going to SHR. I believe! I believe!
 
They call the likes of Burton "journeyman drivers" I call them wheel holders but that usually jacks people up. they have long careers usually, try to stay in the top 15, hardly ever drive hard enough to win. They make decent money for themselves and the team and are almost never in the spotlight. Burton was sleeping and ran into Jeff last year during a caution. that was the first time in years, 08 I believe, that he was in the spotlight. They are good drivers, but they don't have that burning desire to win like a Bush or a Johnson
 
StandOnIt said:
They call the likes of Burton "journeyman drivers" I call them wheel holders but that usually jacks people up. they have long careers usually, try to stay in the top 15, hardly ever drive hard enough to win. They make decent money for themselves and the team and are almost never in the spotlight. Burton was sleeping and ran into Jeff last year during a caution. that was the first time in years, 08 I believe, that he was in the spotlight. They are good drivers, but they don't have that burning desire to win like a Bush or a Johnson
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Journeyman? He's only been with two teams.

I agree that his best days are behind him but RCR isn't what it was either. I'd say he's about the same level as the #31 team.
 
StandOnIt said:
They call the likes of Burton "journeyman drivers" I call them wheel holders but that usually jacks people up. they have long careers usually, try to stay in the top 15, hardly ever drive hard enough to win. They make decent money for themselves and the team and are almost never in the spotlight. Burton was sleeping and ran into Jeff last year during a caution. that was the first time in years, 08 I believe, that he was in the spotlight. They are good drivers, but they don't have that burning desire to win like a Bush or a Johnson
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My unpopular opinion of the day: I would put Mark Martin in that category for most of his career. Aside from 1990 and 2009, was he ever a championship contender? He's a class act, he'll bring the car home and get you some wins, but he doesn't have the killer instinct of an Earnhardt (Sr.), (Darrell) Waltrip, Gordon or Johnson.
 
In the union trades, you start out as an apprentice, after more time and tests, you become a journeyman. Another definition. I still call them wheel holders, they can't all be greats or multi champions. Hate to name names, gets people riled up. Truex is a good one. when he has a bad week, you can count on him to start racing his way into the top ten. Manard is another. I think he will be going for a top five at Kentucky. Menard is in a tough spot, he needs to win a race this year to get into the chase besides pointing his way up into the top 12. Kahne and Stewart have the wild cards covered right now. Burton is pretty screwed, he is a long way from 12th.
 
ToyYoda said:
I thought a journeyman was someone who goes to a different place every couple years?
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from dictionary.com:

1. a person who has served an apprenticeship at a trade or handicraft and is certified to work at it assisting or under another person.
2. any experienced, competent but routine worker or performer.
3. a person hired to do work for another, usually for a day at a time.
 
KevinWI said:
My unpopular opinion of the day: I would put Mark Martin in that category for most of his career. Aside from 1990 and 2009, was he ever a championship contender?
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I'd say finishing in the Top 5 in points would mean you were a title contender. Besides '90 and '09, he did that, what, 10 or 11 more times? I don't think there's any way you can put Martin and Burton in the same category.
 
StandOnIt said:
Journeyman-
  1. A worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding.
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Thanks for trying to explain that . The term applies to at least 90 % of sports players and drivers . If you didn't have them , you wouldn't have a sport . The few outstanding players would be 'first ballot' hall of famers like a Jimmy Johnson or an Earnhardt Sr. . It isn't a negative term.
 
pjmolo said:
from dictionary.com:

1. a person who has served an apprenticeship at a trade or handicraft and is certified to work at it assisting or under another person.
2. any experienced, competent but routine worker or performer.
3. a person hired to do work for another, usually for a day at a time.
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Hmmm....ya learn something new everyday.
 
StandOnIt said:
Journeyman-
  1. A worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman

The word journeyman comes from the French word journée, which means a period of one day. The title refers to the journeyman's right to charge a fee for each day's work. ... In parts of Europe, as in later medieval Germany, spending time as a wandering journeyman (Wandergeselle), moving from one town to another to gain experience of different workshops, was an important part of the training of an aspirant master. Carpenters in Germany have retained the tradition of traveling journeymen even today, although only a few still practice it.
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I am going to ask the question again....

How does Jeff Burton, at 46 years of age, keep his ride?

Stewart has missed three races and he is ahead of Burton in points. I rarely see Jeff interviewed and seldom hear him mentioned. Montoya, Newman and Reutiman are looking for rides and all three have won races more recently than Jeff.

I can't understand how any sponsor would be satisfied with the amount of exposure this team gets.
 
Johali said:
The press, sponsors, other drivers and owners respect him. Besides he has a smokin hot wife.
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ted@economy said:
I think that he does have a few things going for him. He is great with sponsors , fans and fellow drivers ; he doesn't tear up race cars ; he has a great wife ; and he is a top twelve driver . That said , most of the great drivers like DW and Rusty finished out the last half dozen years with very few trips to victory lane .
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FenderBumper said:
Rumor is, Caterpillar loves Burton. As long as they do, he'll have a ride. If Menard doesn't have more success, I expect him to move to Roush if they still have room in 2014.
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It's only my opinion but I think that these posts are the answer.
 
Smoke14 said:
I am going to ask the question again....

How does Jeff Burton, at 46 years of age, keep his ride?

Stewart has missed three races and he is ahead of Burton in points. I rarely see Jeff interviewed and seldom hear him mentioned. Montoya, Newman and Reutiman are looking for rides and all three have won races more recently than Jeff.

I can't understand how any sponsor would be satisfied with the amount of exposure this team gets.
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well I asked the same question, to further muddy things remember when bowyer was trying to stay at RCR, bowyer had 5 hour energy, BB&T, general mills, and some other misc sponsorship. basically clint rustled up enough sponsorship to run 3/4 of the season. burton on the other hand was loosing CAT or for that matter most of the CAT sponsorship. what does RCR do, they tell bowyer to take a hike and use the remaining sponsorship that he had to put on burton's car for the next season.

burton is done, he is the bobby labonte of the sport nowadays. There are people that say and this makes sense that CAT loves burton. So what it really comes down to is if a company is willing to put up 20 million for a driver it doesn't matter if they are washed up or not. Money drives the driver decisions and who is in the car. This just happens to be a weird deal where a tired old veteran has somehow convinced a company to stay on board in a day in age where just finding any sponsorship is not easy. sponsorship woes have led to matt kenseth leaving roush, I am sure ryan newman's leave from SHR had much to do with lack of sponsorship. even a guy like tony stewart has a pieced together sponsorship deal on his car. So let it be said whatever burton is doing is very much working at getting the money in the doors even if the results on the track are not getting it done.
 
Smoke14 said:
I am going to ask the question again....

How does Jeff Burton, at 46 years of age, keep his ride?

Stewart has missed three races and he is ahead of Burton in points. I rarely see Jeff interviewed and seldom hear him mentioned. Montoya, Newman and Reutiman are looking for rides and all three have won races more recently than Jeff.

I can't understand how any sponsor would be satisfied with the amount of exposure this team gets.
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He's always been a class act and a sponsor's dream but his performance has been putrid that last 5 years.

When he got passed on the last lap by Bowyer at Talladega a couple years ago, I remember thinking damn he really needed that win. With his continued mediocrity he might not get another chance at getting to victory lane.

I'll be surprised if he's at RCR past next year.
 
ToyYoda said:
I thought Bobby Labonte was the Bobby Labonte of the sport?
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No... Bobby Labonte is now the Terry Labonte of the sport...Burton is now the next Bobby... hmmm but wait maybe Burton is the next mark Martin and Bobby is the last Burton.. I wonder whos gona be the next Montoya?
 
SlicedBread22 said:
No... Bobby Labonte is now the Terry Labonte of the sport...Burton is now the next Bobby... hmmm but wait maybe Burton is the next mark Martin and Bobby is the last Burton.. I wonder whos gona be the next Montoya?
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And I think Jeff Gordon is on his way to becoming Jeff Burton....
 
ToyYoda said:
And I think Jeff Gordon is on his way to becoming Jeff Burton....
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I was gona say that too but I think he can be strong for a bit longer. So .. Bobby is the next terry, and Burton is the next Bobby... Gordon is the next Burton... does that make Montoya the next Gordon?!!! Hmmmm this theory has holes...
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I was gona say that too but I think he can be strong for a bit longer. So .. Bobby is the next terry, and Burton is the next Bobby... Gordon is the next Burton... does that make Montoya the next Gordon?!!! Hmmmm this theory has holes...
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Not really: In theory if a driver was on his way to being another driver and simultaneously pursuing gender reassignment, the theory would then have (some extry) holes.
 
ToyYoda said:
And I think Jeff Gordon is on his way to becoming Jeff Burton....
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I agree with Gordon , I also think that Smoke will quickly follow the same path . Sponsors love these guys ..Burton , Gordon & Stewart .They can still wheel a racecar . And they have dozens of people who work for them in one way or another that will be out of jobs when they hang it up . Much as they don't need the money , it's hard to step away ,when employees , sponsors and fans don't want them to. All drivers will go down the same path , unless they get injured and have to stop racing before they are ready.
 
I think its all but a foregone conclusion that Burton is gone after 2014 with Ty Dillon replacing him.
 
Jeff Burton represents a successful NASCAR career. At 46 he has lasted longer than most drivers. He has been successful on the track which gave him opportunities to develop relationships in the industry that has helped him keep a ride. He has a golden sponsor and I suspect he does things for them that may not be apparent to the racing community. I suspect his veteran status at RCR has helped that team during his employment there. Like every successful drive he probably wants to race as long as he can. He's not a back marker and he is no longer one of the front runners. He has earned his ride and will represent his sponsor well. That's what it is all about.

But I am curious what his post driver plans are.
 
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