Kansas - Hollywood Casino 400 - Pre Race Thread

You look at the trucks and Nationwide and they have around three or four drivers who could possibly win, close racing in both series. The racing is too close IMO that you need to go the other way and not have a chase. But the powers that be feel the pressure I guess. Something different.
 
Kevin Harvick is the root of all his problems.

He'd probably have 3 titles if he could get out of his own way.

And just because I called Harvick one of the top whiners in the sport doesn't mean Kyle Busch isn't the biggest whiner in the damn sport.
 
I don't think there is any way they are going to win, don't have a good pit spot and it look like the tires are as hard as rocks so probably no pit tricks. They're in trouble in my book. It will be interesting to see what they come up with
 
BobbyFord said:
Like Kyle or not, you never have to wonder what he's thinking or how he's feeling.
The new PC NASCAR fanbase expects drivers to be cheery and happy when they lose. They simply aren't. Shocker; competitive people are not happy when they lose.
When I was racing, I showed up to win. I always thought I had all of the tools to win every race. When I lost a race it was because I let up in a turn, or I didn't get back to the gas soon enough. It was never because the other guy was better in that race. That's what makes a winner keep after it even if they don't win every race.
I'd rather see a guy pissed off after the race because he didn't win rather than some PC camera-sucker make up BS excuses why they're happy about finishing second. If you are a true racer, you're never happy about finishing second.
But in this "everybody gets a trophy and there are no losers" society, it's politically correct to enjoy losing. (Another reason NASCAR is losing it's fanbase.)
JMO, of course.
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Couldn't agree more
 
Reck said:
No kidding!

I have the race and I just watched the final segment to make sure. Gordon pitted a lap earlier than Harvick, for one and he was running his fastest laps of the race. DW even mentioned it.

Second, Harvick's pit stop was actually slightly better than Gordon's.

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Gordon was just faster right up until 4 or 3 laps to go in which it was already too late for Harvick to catch him.

But you know, anything to discredit Gordon of anything positive he does.

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Slower pit stop but Gordon also had a full lap on fresher tires.
 
SATURDAY, OCTOBER 4:

ON TRACK
-- 11-11:50 a.m.: NASCAR Sprint Cup Series practice, FOX Sports 1 (Follow live)
-- 12:15 p.m.: NASCAR Nationwide Series Coors Light Pole Qualifying, FOX Sports 2 (Follow live)
-- 2-2:50 p.m.: NASCAR Sprint Cup Series final practice, FOX Sports 2 (Follow live)
-- 3:30 p.m.: NASCAR Nationwide Series Kansas Lottery 300 (200 laps, 300 miles), ESPN (Follow live)

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-- 6:15 p.m.: Post-NNS race
 
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FLRacingFan said:
Slower pit stop but Gordon also had a full lap on fresher tires.
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Half of a lap at most.

It's not like we are talking about Gordon short pitting 5 laps early. It was a normal pit cycle. Harvick got beat on the track. He even said he ran the car out of gas coming onto pit road and then he spun the tires too much exiting.

But, even then that doesn't fit with the Harvick's crew cost him the race motto.
 

If RCR was good enough for Dale Earnhardt, it was good enough for Kevin Harvick.

Sounds like a lot of excuses to me. That's like me saying Gordon hasn't won because Hendrick is giving Jimmie all the good cars which is bull****.
 
^ Always been a front-runner, but it has been 20 years since their last championship...

Also, remember Earnhardt was the only driver for quite a while... It wasn't until like the early 2000s' where Childress expanded the team. Dale Sr ran that SOB for sometime.
 
beantownkid10 said:
Half of a lap at most.

It's not like we are talking about Gordon short pitting 5 laps early. It was a normal pit cycle. Harvick got beat on the track. He even said he ran the car out of gas coming onto pit road and then he spun the tires too much exiting.

But, even then that doesn't fit with the Harvick's crew cost him the race motto.
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Lol That's not what anyone said. Pitting early won Gordon the race. Even pushing for the out-lap on fifty-lap fresher tires makes up a lot of time.
 
beantownkid10 said:
If RCR was good enough for Dale Earnhardt, it was good enough for Kevin Harvick.

Sounds like a lot of excuses to me. That's like me saying Gordon hasn't won because Hendrick is giving Jimmie all the good cars which is bull****.
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Harvick has finished 3rd or better in the championship three of the last four years. Earnhardt did twice in his last six full seasons. Multi-car organizations passed RCR by a while ago.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Lol That's not what anyone said. Pitting early won Gordon the race. Even pushing for the out-lap on fifty-lap fresher tires makes up a lot of time.
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lol yes it was in this specific thread.

Gordon didn't pit early. He was one of the last cars to pit. Harvick pitted 1 lap later than him. 1 lap, or like I said, a half lap doesn't make up that much time. We see it all the time. If you pit early enough say 5 laps, that could be the difference, but 1 lap isn't worth 3 seconds of advantage on the track otherwise you would never see any of the leaders stay out long.
 
beantownkid10 said:
lol yes it was in this specific thread.

Gordon didn't pit early. He was one of the last cars to pit. Harvick pitted 1 lap later than him. 1 lap, or like I said, a half lap doesn't make up that much time. We see it all the time. If you pit early enough say 5 laps, that could be the difference, but 1 lap isn't worth 3 seconds of advantage on the track otherwise you would never see any of the leaders stay out long.
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"Bad luck" doesn't mean "His crew sucked again".

Pitting *earlier* does make a huge difference even if only for a lap. There were fifty laps' worth of a difference in tire life. Watch qualifying and see how much slower guys who have to make a second or third attempt are compared to their first run.
 
Kiante said:
^ Always been a front-runner, but it has been 20 years since their last championship...

Also, remember Earnhardt was the only driver for quite a while... It wasn't until like the early 2000s' where Childress expanded the team. Dale Sr ran that SOB for sometime.
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RCR expanded to two teams in 1997 when Skinner came aboard, and to three teams in 2002.

Earnhardt won his last championship in 1994, but he didn't exactly run like garbage thereafter. Remember, he won a couple of races and finished 2nd in points in 2000, his final season.
 
ToyYoda said:
RCR expanded to two teams in 1997 when Skinner came aboard, and to three teams in 2002.

Earnhardt won his last championship in 1994, but he didn't exactly run like garbage thereafter. Remember, he won a couple of races and finished 2nd in points in 2000, his final season.
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People also forget that Dale was one of the favorites to win the championship in 2001. I wish we had gotten Harvick in the 30 in 2002 to team with Dale and (I assume) Robby Gordon. That would've been a powder keg.
 
Here I am, off this weekend but not going to the race because I can't afford the six hour round trip drive plus the ridiculous $115 ticket price for the higher up seats. Looks like I'll be watching the race here with the rest of you.
 
FLRacingFan said:
"Bad luck" doesn't mean "His crew sucked again".

Pitting *earlier* does make a huge difference even if only for a lap. There were fifty laps' worth of a difference in tire life. Watch qualifying and see how much slower guys who have to make a second or third attempt are compared to their first run.
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But it evens out, however.

Gordon came in to pit in second place while behind by a few seconds. Plus he had a slower stop than Harvick. I'm not going to argue that even 1 lap makes a difference but that's a hell of a difference going from at least 1 and a half seconds behind to having a slower pit stop than the leader and actually coming out ahead by a second and change.
 
Larson and Dillon both have fast cars so it'd be cool to see those two battling up front.

Harvick has a very fast car - as usual.

I don't know what in hell is going on with the #48 team this weekend :idunno:
 
One thing we'll hear is Chase contenders (my driver included) crying about non-chasers racing them hard and if yeterdays race is if even a hint of an indicator, it could get messy for some title hopefuls (my driver included).
 
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