Kaulig penalty upheld

jaqua19 said:
I heard HMS had staff on the board.

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What a load of total crap. Why would you even repeat such utter nonsense? If that were found to be true in any way it would be the absolute end of NASCAR as a serious sports organization.
 
Revman said:
They grandstanded....because Hendrick. The Appeals Panel should be insulted that it was discussed at all prior top and after. Jeffy and Chadly's ability to throw **** out there without any rebuttal (God knows why) damages the process. A process that should be blown up.
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Why is explaining your side of the story grandstanding? Is Chris Rice grandstanding, is Denny Hamlin grandstanding? Just man up and admit you're butt hurt because the process didn't yield the results you were dying for because you hate Hendrick Motorsports so much. I didn't complain one single word when HMS got the penalty, so why are you so bent out of shape when most of it was rescinded. Also note that I didn't say a word last summer when two of your cars were disqualified and gave "MY" driver the win. Getting holier than thou is a futile effort in this sport because next week the shoe will likely be on the other foot.
 
Formerjackman said:
Why is explaining your side of the story grandstanding? Is Chris Rice grandstanding, is Denny Hamlin grandstanding? Just man up and admit you're butt hurt because the process didn't yield the results you were dying for because you hate Hendrick Motorsports so much. I didn't complain one single word when HMS got the penalty, so why are you so bent out of shape when most of it was rescinded. Also note that I didn't say a word last summer when two of your cars were disqualified and gave "MY" driver the win. Getting holier than thou is a futile effort in this sport because next week the shoe will likely be on the other foot.
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Geez dude....There is a process for explaining your side of the story--the damn appeals process. A process that is accepted as behind closed doors. Anything else is lobbying public opinion to gain influence--or stroking your own ego which is likely the case. I said before the decision to give The Chain Gang their points back, and get back to racing. I win either way....MY Toyotas gain points positions, or The Chain Gang's season is tainted. Either way, it's a bad look for the Ex Con. I didn't complain last summer one bit, and was proud that MY Toyotas didn't go the sleezeball way of Jeffy, Chadly, and the Ex Con by not appealing. You are smart enough to understand the damage done to this sport by naming Kaulig and excusing The Chain Gang. If you are a new manufacturer and/or team, would you sign up for this bull****....and we haven't even mentioned the Camaro 2.0 and Garage 56 farces.
 
wi_racefan said:
Generally someone that constantly refers to people as Jeffy, Chadly, the convict and the chain gang doesn't have much credibility

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Other than "convict" because that is proven....but I personally like Felon. Also indisputable....
 
Revman said:
Geez dude....There is a process for explaining your side of the story--the damn appeals process. A process that is accepted as behind closed doors. Anything else is lobbying public opinion to gain influence--or stroking your own ego which is likely the case. I said before the decision to give The Chain Gang their points back, and get back to racing. I win either way....MY Toyotas gain points positions, or The Chain Gang's season is tainted. Either way, it's a bad look for the Ex Con. I didn't complain last summer one bit, and was proud that MY Toyotas didn't go the sleezeball way of Jeffy, Chadly, and the Ex Con by not appealing. You are smart enough to understand the damage done to this sport by naming Kaulig and excusing The Chain Gang. If you are a new manufacturer and/or team, would you sign up for this bull****....and we haven't even mentioned the Camaro 2.0 and Garage 56 farces.
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Except that since we never hear anything from the appeals process other than the verdict, NOBODY outside that room would ever know what the defense to the allegations were. Does the public not have the right know WHY the accused is appealing in the first place? I'll say it once again. YOUR Toyota's didn't appeal because they had no defense for what they did. It is OBVIOUS that in the HMS case, there were extenuating circumstances which lead the panel to modify the penalty, PLUS the fact that the "illegal" parts never hit the race track. If defending yourself in a disagreement over the facts of a situation is going sleezeball, then all hope has been lost. Yes, I am disappointed that the Appeals Board didn't come to the same conclusion in the Kaulig case, but without knowing what was argued or what evidence was presented, it would be impossible for a REASONABLE MINDED person to draw a conclusion as to why that was the case. I agree, NASCAR looks a little foolish, but if they are the least bit worried about it, then let them come down off their high horse and lay the FACTS of the case out there for everyone to judge for themselves. As long as they are unwilling to do that, I really don't give a damn how stupid they look. Chances are, if the whole truth came out, they would look FAR worse than they do now.
 
rd45usa said:
Maybe they have to sign an NDA at hearing.
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Appeal summaries are kept private.

These parts all come off the shelf now. There shouldn’t be anything proprietary involved anymore. Can’t have zero transparency in this new age, it only serves to create more distrust among the fan base and the garage.

 
Formerjackman said:
Except that since we never hear anything from the appeals process other than the verdict, NOBODY outside that room would ever know what the defense to the allegations were. Does the public not have the right know WHY the accused is appealing in the first place? I'll say it once again. YOUR Toyota's didn't appeal because they had no defense for what they did. It is OBVIOUS that in the HMS case, there were extenuating circumstances which lead the panel to modify the penalty, PLUS the fact that the "illegal" parts never hit the race track. If defending yourself in a disagreement over the facts of a situation is going sleezeball, then all hope has been lost. Yes, I am disappointed that the Appeals Board didn't come to the same conclusion in the Kaulig case, but without knowing what was argued or what evidence was presented, it would be impossible for a REASONABLE MINDED person to draw a conclusion as to why that was the case. I agree, NASCAR looks a little foolish, but if they are the least bit worried about it, then let them come down off their high horse and lay the FACTS of the case out there for everyone to judge for themselves. As long as they are unwilling to do that, I really don't give a damn how stupid they look. Chances are, if the whole truth came out, they would look FAR worse than they do now.
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You need a bigger glass for your Kool-Aide. By your own admission, you have no idea what The Chain Gang presented so you don't know if it was bull**** or not.

You don't know why WE didn't appeal.

You don't know the facts. You are listening to a couple of biased lackeys who were sent to work the media.

The Chain Gang's parts hitting the track have no bearing on the penalty. As Chris Rice. Geez dude....think that one through.

You have nothing but your bias....but I take issue with presenting this bias as statements of fact.
 
Was listening to a replay of the late shift and Todd Gordon actually made a legitimate case that you may have manipulated one louver and not both if you're trying to manipulate the air flow over the car to change the aero handling of the car. Having different air flow on the left and right sides of the car has the potential to be very beneficial
 
Repeating what I said yesterday.

Race teams don’t do anything without a purpose.
 
aunty dive said:
Repeating what I said yesterday.

Race teams don’t do anything without a purpose.
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Oh no, no, no, no.....Simple miscommunication and ABSOLUTLEY no performance advantage. I listen to Jeffy and Chadly. They teach me. This just in....Santa and The Easter Bunny are real. Those slits in the wrap are accidental....box knives can be tricky.
 
If you actually listen to Jeff and take it for what he says the issue is actually a manufacturing issue. Basically the manufacturers are not capable of producing a part to the specs of the CAD dwg given their manufacturing capabilities. So maybe that falls back on nascar for approving a part that they're suppliers can't actually produce?

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wi_racefan said:
If you actually listen to Jeff and take it for what he says the issue is actually a manufacturing issue. Basically the manufacturers are not capable of producing a part to the specs of the CAD dwg given their manufacturing capabilities. So maybe that falls back on nascar for approving a part that they're suppliers can't actually produce?

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bull****. I believe @aunty dive has referenced this....The Chain Gang was the only Chevy team with a manufacturing issue? Bad luck? Why didn't we hear anything from RCR, etc.? The Chain Gang knew exactly what they were doing, and then Jeffy had the audacity to stick his face in the camera, and shame literally anybody who thought they had done something wrong....followed by smug ass Chadly. The Chain Gang is not stupid. Remember, slits in wrap gain aero. They can do this correctly. They tried to take advantage of a manufacturing issue in a new era. I am mystified by the sanctity of The Chain Gang. Never knew it was this bad.
 
wi_racefan said:
Was listening to a replay of the late shift and Todd Gordon actually made a legitimate case that you may have manipulated one louver and not both if you're trying to manipulate the air flow over the car to change the aero handling of the car. Having different air flow on the left and right sides of the car has the potential to be very beneficial
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Mr. Gordon....Mr. Campbell is one Line 1. Must have forgotten that he is no longer a Ford guy.
 
What even is this season lol. Need to erase this one from the history books for sure and it's not even halfway.
 
It was posted that Kaulig would be under the same rules as the Hendrick cars were before they amended the rule book to what it is now. I'm too lazy to wade thru page after page to find it, but I am pretty sure I posted it in between all of the who shot John posts.
 
IMO this just adds to the black helicopters. So they were mad at HMS for getting the points back so they "randomly" selected them so they could find something else to hammer them on. Now they ask for the points portion of the penalty for the #31 to be taken away.........

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wi_racefan said:
IMO this just adds to the black helicopters. So they were mad at HMS for getting the points back so they "randomly" selected them so they could find something else to hammer them on. Now they ask for the points portion of the penalty for the #31 to be taken away.........

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For people who live with black helo's on the brain it probably does. I would say they made the same point that Hendrick did.
 
StandOnIt said:
For people who live with black helo's on the brain it probably does. I would say they made the same point that Hendrick did.
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So are their cars getting a "random" inspection this week then too?

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Why would NASCAR have to ask to have a penalty rescinded? It imposed the penalty; doesn't it have the ability to take it away without 'external' permission or approval? Give Kaulig back the points and let's go down to the creek and have a couple of cold ones.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Why would NASCAR have to ask to have a penalty rescinded? It imposed the penalty; doesn't it have the ability to take it away without 'external' permission or approval? Give Kaulig back the points and let's go down to the creek and have a couple of cold ones.
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Parity
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Why would NASCAR have to ask to have a penalty rescinded? It imposed the penalty; doesn't it have the ability to take it away without 'external' permission or approval? Give Kaulig back the points and let's go down to the creek and have a couple of cold ones.
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Why would nascar be upset that HMS got their points back, yet be upset the points were upheld with kaulig?

Alex, I'll take things that don't make sense for $500

Like we say at work "the truth is more unbelievable than fiction"

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In typical NASCAR fashion, they screwed this deal up from the word go. Right or wrong, I'm glad NASCAR saw the light and called the dogs off. I feel Kaulig was getting unfairly run through the ringer over NASCAR's exasperation with Hendrick.
 
Helo's usually don't read, they listen to the buzzing in their brains and imagine. lol Too much HBO.
 
Kaulig said they helped Hendrick replace the louvers Nascar took. It isn't like Kaulig didn't know what happened and just sat there if they thought they had problems. This whole thing is nothing but a Klingon mind meld.
 
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