Kyle Larson

K&N East is tough competition right now - much tougher than it was four or five years ago. Larson's championship in that series isn't something to overlook.
 
It doesn't matter what any of these guys did. It only matters what they do from here on out. I remember not all that long ago when a guy entered the Cup ranks with just one win in over 70+ Nationwide starts including an average finish of over 20 during his Nationwide career. Everyone wondered what the hell they were thinking. 6 Championships later I think everyone's figured it out. We can argue all we want who is the better driver but truth is, we don't know yet.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It doesn't matter what any of these guys did. It only matters what they do from here on out. I remember not all that long ago when a guy entered the Cup ranks with just one win in over 70+ Nationwide starts including an average finish of over 20 during his Nationwide career. Everyone wondered what the hell they were thinking. 6 Championships later I think everyone's figured it out. We can argue all we want who is the better driver but truth is, we don't know yet.
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Sshhh, I'm having fun turning the tables on'em.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Larson/Dillon, Dillon/Larson. Who knows? Stats throughout their careers heavily favor Dillon when I look them up.

Head to head in.....

Cup, Dillon comes out on top.
Nationwide, Dillon again
Truck, Dillon once again

Larson to Cup to early? Over their head? Who's to say? Time will tell. This should be a great rookie paring this year.
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All those numbers are greatly skewed. Larson has run 5 truck races and won one, (better win percentage than Dillon) and cup is far too small a sample size to judge. Dillon was running for a prominent cup organization in nationwide ( yet couldn't win) and Larson was a rookie driving for a lesser team, yet still came closer to winning then Dillon. So what heavily favors Dillon again?
 
DaBiff1618 said:
All those numbers are greatly skewed. Larson has run 5 truck races and won one, (better win percentage than Dillon) and cup is far too small a sample size to judge. Dillon was running for a prominent cup organization in nationwide ( yet couldn't win) and Larson was a rookie driving for a lesser team, yet still came closer to winning then Dillon. So what heavily favors Dillon again?
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Everything.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It doesn't matter what any of these guys did. It only matters what they do from here on out. I remember not all that long ago when a guy entered the Cup ranks with just one win in over 70+ Nationwide starts including an average finish of over 20 during his Nationwide career. Everyone wondered what the hell they were thinking. 6 Championships later I think everyone's figured it out. We can argue all we want who is the better driver but truth is, we don't know yet.
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That guy didn't win Rookie of the Year either.
 
Austin Dillon's a methodical, consistent driver who'd rather finish second than risk tearing his car up going for a win. Kyle Larson's an aggressive driver who wants to win and would be more likely to take a risk that ends up being the difference between winning and second place. And the new points system in NASCAR emphasizes winning races.

Dillon should and will win Rookie of the Year, easily. Dillon's in a car with a team that contends for championships while Larson's in a car with a team that contends for top-30 finishes. Dillon has six years of experience while Larson only has two. If Austin Dillon doesn't win Rookie of the Year, it'll be because he's not a good enough driver to compete in this series. Which would be unbelievable.

Austin Dillon has talent but Kyle Larson has way more talent than Dillon - but not enough talent to overcome the crap cars he's driving in.
 
DaBiff1618 said:
All those numbers are greatly skewed. Larson has run 5 truck races and won one, (better win percentage than Dillon) and cup is far too small a sample size to judge. Dillon was running for a prominent cup organization in nationwide ( yet couldn't win) and Larson was a rookie driving for a lesser team, yet still came closer to winning then Dillon. So what heavily favors Dillon again?
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The stats aren't skewed. Feel free to look them up. I did and I posted what I found. racing-reference will yield the answers.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
The stats aren't skewed. Feel free to look them up. I did and I posted what I found. racing-reference will yield the answers.
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I just explained above how they are skewed. Anyone who can't win a single race in the best full-time nationwide ride has his work cut out for him in cup.
 
DaBiff1618 said:
All those numbers are greatly skewed. Larson has run 5 truck races and won one, (better win percentage than Dillon) and cup is far too small a sample size to judge. Dillon was running for a prominent cup organization in nationwide ( yet couldn't win) and Larson was a rookie driving for a lesser team, yet still came closer to winning then Dillon. So what heavily favors Dillon again?
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Come on, man. You can only use the "better equipment in the lower series" argument when you're talking about Kyle Busch.
With Dillon it was pure talent that got him those stats. His better equipment had nothing to do with it. lol
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Dillon's in a car with a team that contends for championships while Larson's in a car with a team that contends for top-30 finishes.
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What a bunch of BS.

What is with this reputation that the Ganassi cars are junk? People on this board act like they are a low budget team running ancient equipment powered by Triad motors. They aren't one of the top teams, but they are certainly good enough to occasionally run up front and win races.
 
TooSweet said:
What a bunch of BS.

What is with this reputation that the Ganassi cars are junk? People on this board act like they are a low budget team running ancient equipment powered by Triad motors. They aren't one of the top teams, but they are certainly good enough to occasionally run up front and win races.
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I can't decide if it is the drivers or the equipment....Over the past 3/4 season Montoya and McMurray couldnt have won more than a handful of races with most coming from McM on RP tracks. They both kind of hover between 15-25 in pts.
 
TooSweet said:
What a bunch of BS.

What is with this reputation that the Ganassi cars are junk? People on this board act like they are a low budget team running ancient equipment powered by Triad motors. They aren't one of the top teams, but they are certainly good enough to occasionally run up front and win races.
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It happens a lot when the driver love is strong..It's the car, or it's the crew chief, or they get the teams slowest equipment etc.. You hear it all around here.:) Larson has a nasty habit of running right next to the wall. Daytona isn't the first track where he has taken himself out by running high, hitting the wall and cutting a tire. He has a lot to learn.
 
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that neither Larson or Dillon had a very good race at Daytona. But, i think i'm just going to sit back and watch how they progress through this season before i make any judgement calls on their ability to race in a cup car. There will be a learning curve for both of them and they will make mistakes, but, how they overcome their mistakes is what will help determine how good they will be in the cup series. I'm not really that interested in what they did in the past few years...i'm more interested in what they do from here on out.
 
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As someone who lived in Iredell County when Austin Dillon ran the show at Hickory and such.. Larson for the win. Just my opinion.
 
TooSweet said:
What a bunch of BS.

What is with this reputation that the Ganassi cars are junk? People on this board act like they are a low budget team running ancient equipment powered by Triad motors. They aren't one of the top teams, but they are certainly good enough to occasionally run up front and win races.
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I happen to think chip's cars are better than most people think. ask yourself who has he really had as drivers?? yeah jmac had that one good year but other than that its been pretty poor. JPM was actually in position to win dover and richmond I believe last year and I think one other race. wonder what they would have done if JPM had won those 3 races.

the other thing to look at is what drivers did after leaving chip's team. what did jmac do at roush?? a couple plate wins thats it. that was also when roush had ALOT better cars. casey mears, one fuel mileage win at hendrick. no wins at RCR and well he was horrible after leaving chip.

as to how good larson will be, we can't say yet. someone mentioned a K&N east title and how competitive that was. In the lower series having better equipment and funding can absolutely win the day its huge there. I don't know who was running larson's east car but if it had any cup connections. That is something that very much needs to be taken into consideration. If indeed there were only 9 cars that ran the full NW schedule dillon winning that isn't much to crow about. The reason that don't have a NW chase is there isn't enough cars!!! I see more potential at this point with larson than I do dillon.
 
Dillon, Hornish, Smith, Sadler, Allgaier, Bayne, Scott, Larson, Kligerman, Piquet, Bliss, Pastrana and Wallace. All ran 33 races in ’13.
 
of those 13 the first 5 out of 6 are the only ones who had a real shot at the title, or should I say the experience and equipment to win it. dillon was racing against only 4 other drivers, thats why no wins won the title.
 
Nitro Dude said:
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that neither Larson or Dillon had a very good race at Daytona. But, i think i'm just going to sit back and watch how they progress through this season before i make any judgement calls on their ability to race in a cup car. There will be a learning curve for both of them and they will make mistakes, but, how they overcome their mistakes is what will help determine how good they will be in the cup series. I'm not really that interested in what they did in the past few years...i'm more interested in what they do from here on out.
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I think Dillon is the safer bet right now. He ran for the championship in truck and NW, not win totals. Larson is a wheelman, and that doesn't always start out smooth. I think they both will get there, and I happen to like both personalities. Good stuff is coming when James Beuscher, Bowman and some others get up to the cup level.
 
FenderBumper said:
I think Dillon is the safer bet right now. He ran for the championship in truck and NW, not win totals. Larson is a wheelman, and that doesn't always start out smooth. I think they both will get there, and I happen to like both personalities. Good stuff is coming when James Beuscher, Bowman and some others get up to the cup level.
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Crap, you mean we are allowed to like them both? Now I may have to rethink this whole thing. One can still be considered better than the other though, right?
 
Here's a burning question for Redskin fans. How long before a native American driver shows up and cowboy hats are banned?
 
FenderBumper said:
lol Don't get carried away. One always has to be the bestest.

For me, it may come down to who does or doesn't wear a cowboy hat.
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If he wore the hat while he was racing I'd probably have a problem with it but heck, you've seen me..... Who am I to comment on someone's fashion sense? I'll leave that to the other Joan Rivers wannabe's here. ;)
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Crap, you mean we are allowed to like them both? Now I may have to rethink this whole thing. One can still be considered better than the other though, right?
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But the real question is, can I like one and think the other is a twerp, that's with a p Fender, or like the twerp and throw the other one under the bus or throw the other one I like under the bus when I'm pissed about something else, I need a ruling here.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
If he wore the hat while he was racing I'd probably have a problem with it but heck, you've seen me..... Who am I to comment on someone's fashion sense? I'll leave that to the other Joan Rivers wannabe's here. ;)
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Hey, the fashion sense of anyone wearing an Eldora dirt shirt should NEVER be questioned.
 
Johali said:
But the real question is, can I like one and think the other is a twerp, that's with a p Fender, or like the twerp and throw the other one under the bus or throw the other one I like under the bus when I'm pissed about something else, I need a ruling here.
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lol At your age, you can do whatever the hell you want. You earned it. :cheers:

All I ask is that you be gentle with ole' Buck. ;)
 
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