Matts last ride

This thread reminds me of the interview with Brad where they're talking about him getting duped by Hendrick and Brad has this 1,000 yard stare like Hendrick had killed his unborn child.
 
I'm gonna go with what Charlie Spencer said, even though this thread got off topic he's dead on the money. If we judge every driver, Hall or Fame or not on choices they made on track, none would pass the smell test. None.
 
Spotter22 said:
I'm gonna go with what Charlie Spencer said, even though this thread got off topic he's dead on the money. If we judge every driver, Hall or Fame or not on choices they made on track, none would pass the smell test. None.
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You mean Dale Sr. wouldn't have appreciated being canonized as some sort of larger than life figure? Scandalous!
 
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Spotter22 said:
I'm gonna go with what Charlie Spencer said, even though this thread got off topic he's dead on the money. If we judge every driver, Hall or Fame or not on choices they made on track, none would pass the smell test. None.
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Hell, I watch just as hard for mistakes as I do for brilliant racing. And I consider a long career like Kenseth's and the record he has with 39 wins and a title to be a successful career.
 
Formerjackman said:
Since you mentioned Carl, if ANY driver is going to be labeled a POS for the rest of his life for on-track retaliation, then Cousin Carl goes all the way to the top of the list in my book for trying to put Kes in the grandstands at Atlanta. That makes anything JG and Kenseth ever did look like door dinging somebody in a parking lot.
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Honorable mention to his Cole Trickling of Jr in an Xfinity race...

Didn’t realize, or notice, Matt called it a career. Never much cared for him early on, but as time passed I grew to appreciate his ability as well as the wry sense of humor.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
If a couple of hotheaded incidents is all it takes for drivers to have "crossed the line from being decent human beings" then the field, the HOF, and every form of racing is full of damned souls.
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Many drivers have lost it in the heat of the moment. It's when a driver insists that what he did was right, that tells me the mans true character. Lost a ton of respect for Junior in this as well.
I guess that is the way of the privileged and rich.
 
DaBiff1618 said:
Jr. Had half the career Kenseth did and nbc treated it like Jesus ascending into heaven last year. A legend of our sport Matt Kenseth wheels a 28th place ride to back to back 6th place finishes to end his career and don’t even hear a peep. Rick was likely to busy googling Logano’s team to find some kind of death or other drama to hype up the championship
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Hahaha Jesus ascending into heaven
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Oh, certainly. Poor working class people don't need to justify their actions. It's common knowledge they're pure of heart, never vengeful or vindictive. ;)
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I don't get carried away Charlie. All I did was state my opinion of the actions of 2 men doing something that is not a part of racing and in their minds it was OK.
Same attitude of a man who hits his wife because...............
 
I was there watching Cup Qualifying and he was right there in the mix every round. Hard to get noticed on Championship Weekend though even if your career is ending afterwards.

I bought my youngest son a Number 6 Matt Kenseth shirt which he put on right away.
 
Team Penske said:
Many drivers have lost it in the heat of the moment. It's when a driver insists that what he did was right, that tells me the mans true character. Lost a ton of respect for Junior in this as well.
I guess that is the way of the privileged and rich.
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Whether you agree or not or like it or not, stock car racing has it's own code of ethics and HAS since practically the beginning. What might seem totally unacceptable and abhorrent to you is not that big of deal in the stock car world. Sure, some will get a soapbox and decry it to play to their audience, but when you get down to it, those in the garage understand that if you poke a bear too many times, you're probably going to get bit. There is also an unwritten code that when you've attained a certain status in the sport, you don't have to take crap from upstarts. As a Jeff Gordon fan, my ONLY problem with what he did to Bowyer was that he got an innocent Joey Logano involved in it, which was just wrong. Clint earned what he got, and you'll notice Mr. Bowyer never ran into Jeff the rest of Jeff's career. I thought Kenseth's move on Joey was an overreaction, but the fact is Joey had ample time to diffuse the situation (as did Bowyer) and neither one did, and they were both taught a lesson they won't soon forget. There is also a time and place for everything. Martinsville and under caution at Phoenix is acceptable. Taking somebody out going into the corner at Atlanta is clearly not, and I never heard Carl have too much regret over that one either. Personally, I don't see much difference between what Gordon and Kenseth did and what Hamlin did to Elliott last year or what Ricky Rudd did to Gordon at Charlotte in 1994 or any one of a hundred other incidents I have seen other the years from the local bullring all the Cup Series.
 
IanMcVittie said:
Handsome Harry didn’t even start his cup career until he was almost 40 and never had the best stuff. Great driver and a great man. They don’t make them like Harry anymore
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There used to be a guy here that honored Harry Gant with his user name and avatar. He's still around, but he has changed his user name a few times.
 
Formerjackman said:
Whether you agree or not or like it or not, stock car racing has it's own code of ethics and HAS since practically the beginning. What might seem totally unacceptable and abhorrent to you is not that big of deal in the stock car world. Sure, some will get a soapbox and decry it to play to their audience, but when you get down to it, those in the garage understand that if you poke a bear too many times, you're probably going to get bit. There is also an unwritten code that when you've attained a certain status in the sport, you don't have to take crap from upstarts. As a Jeff Gordon fan, my ONLY problem with what he did to Bowyer was that he got an innocent Joey Logano involved in it, which was just wrong. Clint earned what he got, and you'll notice Mr. Bowyer never ran into Jeff the rest of Jeff's career. I thought Kenseth's move on Joey was an overreaction, but the fact is Joey had ample time to diffuse the situation (as did Bowyer) and neither one did, and they were both taught a lesson they won't soon forget. There is also a time and place for everything. Martinsville and under caution at Phoenix is acceptable. Taking somebody out going into the corner at Atlanta is clearly not, and I never heard Carl have too much regret over that one either. Personally, I don't see much difference between what Gordon and Kenseth did and what Hamlin did to Elliott last year or what Ricky Rudd did to Gordon at Charlotte in 1994 or any one of a hundred other incidents I have seen other the years from the local bullring all the Cup Series.
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You are describing the sense of entitlement that many veterans develop as an agreed upon law of stock car racing. It is not. It has been challenged by many of the "upstarts" from the beginning... thankfully.
 
LewTheShoe said:
You are describing the sense of entitlement that many veterans develop as an agreed upon law of stock car racing. It is not. It has been challenged by many of the "upstarts" from the beginning... thankfully.
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That is the other side of the story. Chastain/Harvick was a good example of that. What Harvick said afterwards didn't make any sense unless you thought like he that he was entitled and Chastain shouldn't have any business trying to race hard to keep the lead. I did applaud Chastain for making sure Harvick didn't survive either and I am a fan of both.FWIW.
 
StandOnIt said:
That is the other side of the story. Chastain/Harvick was a good example of that. What Harvick said afterwards didn't make any sense unless you thought like he that he was entitled and Chastain shouldn't have any business trying to race hard to keep the lead. I did applaud Chastain for making sure Harvick didn't survive either and I am a fan of both.FWIW.
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Wasnt he mad about getting hooked in the right rear?
 
Wtf?

What does Jr have to do with this thread? @DaBiff1618 cannot go one second without ****ting on the man, yikes. Both are retired and have done their respected work in NASCAR. Just leave it at that and Matt was impressive his last two runs. Seems like he started to adjust well at the end, good on Matt.
 
Spotter22 said:
Harvick, the one who got hooked in the right rear :D
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oh yeah he wasn't happy about that, thought he got off scott free mashing Chastain into the wall. If he was such a pro he should have waited until he had a clean pass instead of trying to use a backmarker as a pic to get by Chastain. I didn't buy Kenseth's reason at Martinsville either. He was mad because the Penske's were controlling the restarts, then Kes blows out a ball joint on the curb while being crowded by Kenseth or at the least Kenseth took the hit while he was beside the 2, and somehow that all with Kenseth telling the story contributed to his taking Joey out. Hell, just tell the damn truth. tire went down :D
 
StandOnIt said:
oh yeah he wasn't happy about that, thought he got off scott free mashing Chastain into the wall. If he was such a pro he should have waited until he had a clean pass instead of trying to use a backmarker as a pic to get by Chastain. I didn't buy Kenseth's reason at Martinsville either. He was mad because the Penske's were controlling the restarts, then Kes blows out a ball joint on the curb while being crowded by Kenseth or at the least Kenseth took the hit while he was beside the 2, and somehow that all with Kenseth telling the story contributed to his taking Joey out. Hell, just tell the damn truth. tire went down :D
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Matt told the truth, no brakes right?? ;)
 
Spotter22 said:
Matt told the truth, no brakes right?? ;)
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StandOnIt said:
looked like the throttle stuck after the tire went down and the brakes went out to me. :D
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Looked to me like my boy needed a case of dental floss to get all the $h!t out of his grin. Like Logano and Truex a few weeks ago, even Stevie Wonder could see those events coming.
 
LewTheShoe said:
You are describing the sense of entitlement that many veterans develop as an agreed upon law of stock car racing. It is not. It has been challenged by many of the "upstarts" from the beginning... thankfully.
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Oh, it gets challenged alright, and usually ends with the upstart in a fence somewhere. Richard Petty was poking guys in the chest with "that big long crooked index finger" about 50 years ago. Lee Petty, Curtis Turner, Buck Baker, Junior Johnson. If you were lucky , you only got your car wrecked, not your face too.
 
Formerjackman said:
Oh, it gets challenged alright, and usually ends with the upstart in a fence somewhere. Richard Petty was poking guys in the chest with "that big long crooked index finger" about 50 years ago. Lee Petty, Curtis Turner, Buck Baker, Junior Johnson. If you were lucky , you only got your car wrecked, not your face too.
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it isn't 50 years ago. Like Tony was saying the new ones who came in after he was there didn't pay any attention to that. It is on the coffee with Kyle thread if you want to listen to it.
 
StandOnIt said:
it isn't 50 years ago. Like Tony was saying the new ones who came in after he was there didn't pay any attention to that. It is on the coffee with Kyle thread if you want to listen to it.
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That's why you put them in the fence. They'll get the message pretty quickly.
 
about all you see now is they take away their line and race then hard. Maybe next year it will be different if they can run more than one line on some of these tracks.
 
Formerjackman said:
That's why you put them in the fence. They'll get the message pretty quickly.
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Sometimes they get the message, sometimes they dont. I remember Dale Jr at MB Speedway running like a bull in a China shop and messing with Charles Powell who was winnnig everything and a hell of a race car driver telling Jr if he kept using him up he was gonna have a bad day, Jr told him " thats fine I can build more then you can wreck?" Powell told him, "then you better start building them buddy" and he meant it. Jr had met his match and finally figured out this dude wasnt playin. They are good friends today.
 
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Yeah this was my favorite win of the #41 if I'm not mistaken that was his first win with Stewart Haas in the spring 2014 race. It was awesome he complained his day was ruined and that car was beat to hell but it was so fast he made it look easy getting the win that day.

*edited* but yeah congratulations to Kenseth nice job there those last 2 races getting a lot more out of that car than should have been possible. Matt is an awesome driver with stellar integrity. He's a winner and a champion.
 
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Formerjackman said:
Whether you agree or not or like it or not, stock car racing has it's own code of ethics and HAS since practically the beginning. What might seem totally unacceptable and abhorrent to you is not that big of deal in the stock car world.
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I raced in my younger days and I don't give crap who you are, being a decent human being has no boundaries.
 
10-4 said:
Yeah this was my favorite win of the #41 if I'm not mistaken that was his first win with Stewart Haas in the spring 2014 race. It was awesome he complained his day was ruined and that car was beat to hell but it was so fast he made it look easy getting the win that day.

*edited* but yeah congratulations to Kenseth nice job there those last 2 races getting a lot more out of that car than should have been possible. Matt is an awesome driver with stellar integrity. He's a winner and a champion.
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One heck of a race. I never understood what the deal was between Kurt and Brad, but it made for nice TV, haha. Especially since Kurt got a well-deserved win, which was his first with SHR. You are right.

I also remember the lapped cars giving second-placed Jimmie Johnson quite a fuss as he tried to get closer to Kurt.
 
Truex_rox said:
One heck of a race. I never understood what the deal was between Kurt and Brad, but it made for nice TV, haha. Especially since Kurt got a well-deserved win, which was his first with SHR. You are right.

I also remember the lapped cars giving second-placed Jimmie Johnson quite a fuss as he tried to get closer to Kurt.
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I remembered Kurt tried to squeeze by Keselowski in the pits and he caught the 2's fender and tore the hell out of his right front sheet metal. I think besides that he messed up his front end alignment. Keselowski was a back marker after that.
 
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