NAPA Leaves MWR

ElliottFan said:
I doubt MWR will close the doors over losing one major sponsor for 3 teams. But its still gotta sting. Now if several others pull out it will be all over but the crying. They are in full panic mode at MWR right this minute.
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As of today Aarons says they are staying. Forgot where I read the statement since I've read so much of this stuff today.
 
How many think that Napa is jumping ship because MWR got caught and not because of what they were caught doing? If they would have done the same thing and not got caught, then I think Napa would have been fine with it if it got their car in.
 
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The more I think about it the less it makes sense. Aaron's should be the one packing it.

Vickers blatantly admitted he did what he did willingly and would do it again.

NAPA saw the golden oportunity to finally leave Waltrip and took it. I think overall they were fed up with his shenanigans going all the way back to the jet fuel thing like someone here already mentioned.
 
I feel terrible for Martin Truex, Jr. All this happening through no fault of his own. I'd hate to see him without a ride because of the actions of Michael Waltrip, Ty Norris, Clint Bowyer and Brian Vickers.
 
Nitro Dude said:
How many think that Napa is jumping ship because MWR got caught and not because of what they were caught doing? If they would have done the same thing and not got caught, then I think Napa would have been fine with it if it got their car in.
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I'm convinced now this is the reason for NAPA's decision. From the article TRL posted...

"In the days following the race, NAPA’s Facebook page was inundated with angry messages from NASCAR fans; many of whom were also NAPA customers. One after another, thousands of fans vowed to boycott the auto parts distributor, despite the fact that NAPA had no stake in – and no prior knowledge of – MWR’s actions.

NAPA’s sponsorship of MWR was undertaken in an effort to build brand loyalty and increase sales. Now, their involvement has produced the exact opposite effect, costing them business and alienating longtime customers. Scorn, ridicule and lost revenue were not supposed to be part of the deal."
 
reck said:
The more I think about it the less it makes sense. Aaron's should be the one packing it.

Vickers blatantly admitted he did what he did willingly and would do it again.

NAPA saw the golden oportunity to finally leave Waltrip and took it. I think overall they were fed up with his shenanigans going all the way back to the jet fuel thing like someone here already mentioned.
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You are correct. Aarons should run for the hills before they have to sign over one check. There are plenty of opportunities for sponsors. I know I sure would not want to be associated with Mikey if I was a big time CEO.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I feel terrible for Martin Truex, Jr. All this happening through no fault of his own. I'd hate to see him without a ride because of the actions of Michael Waltrip, Ty Norris, Clint Bowyer and Brian Vickers.
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Truex will land on his feet no matter what happens. He is one of the few players in all of this mess that is actually innocent.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
That's very presumptuous on your part. When drivers like Dale Jr and Tony Stewart have open races left on their cars, the idea that Truex will just pick up the phone and bring in a new sponsor is ludacris. If you hadn't noticed many companies are scaling back their commitments and dropping out completey. With the current landscape of the sport, teams like Roush are just scraping together enough sponsorship to get by. This is not just a "reallocation", this has the potential to put a team out of the sport or severly damage their ability to compete going forward. This exit by NAPA will have ripple effects felt by many.
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what's to say that NAPA won't do a trade with another team? Then it doesn't cost anybody money. What if NAPA goes to another team, and truex does to? nobody has lost anything. The only way somebody loses is if MWR doesn't release truex.
 
ElliottFan said:
You are correct. Aarons should run for the hills before they have to sign over one check. There are plenty of opportunities for sponsors. I know I sure would not want to be associated with Mikey if I was a big time CEO.
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Aaron's should bolt and head back to Hendrick Motorsports. I'm no Chase Elliott fan but I'd hate to see him lose a ride b/c of no sponsor while Aaron's stays with MWR.
 
Magnethead said:
what's to say that NAPA won't do a trade with another team? Then it doesn't cost anybody money. What if NAPA goes to another team, and truex does to? nobody has lost anything. The only way somebody loses is if MWR doesn't release truex.
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That's all well and good if there is a sponsor that is willing to take their driver to MWR. Hard to imagine that happening right now.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I feel terrible for Martin Truex, Jr. All this happening through no fault of his own. I'd hate to see him without a ride because of the actions of Michael Waltrip, Ty Norris, Clint Bowyer and Brian Vickers.
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He could sue MWR and so could NAPA for the money they spent this year that has now become non productive advertising.
 
Michael Waltrip is still at it, taking responsibility only because he owns part of the team and not his direct involvement and for the Brian Vickers thing only instead of just fessing up to all of it and moving on and if he is allowed to continue on Fox we will never hear the end of him professing his innocence.

Quote From His Statement: To the fans and those who made their voice heard through social media, as the owner, I am responsible for all actions of MWR. I sincerely apologize for the role our team played and for the lines NASCAR has ruled were crossed by our actions at Richmond
 
Having Michael Waltrip in the booth calling races would be the equivalent to having Pete Rose calling baseball games on ESPN.

No network would disrespect any other sport the way Fox disrespects NASCAR and its fans by having Michael Waltrip calling races for NASCAR's longest-running broadcast partner.
 
gordonite said:
I'm convinced now this is the reason for NAPA's decision. From the article TRL posted...

"In the days following the race, NAPA’s Facebook page was inundated with angry messages from NASCAR fans; many of whom were also NAPA customers. One after another, thousands of fans vowed to boycott the auto parts distributor, despite the fact that NAPA had no stake in – and no prior knowledge of – MWR’s actions.

NAPA’s sponsorship of MWR was undertaken in an effort to build brand loyalty and increase sales. Now, their involvement has produced the exact opposite effect, costing them business and alienating longtime customers. Scorn, ridicule and lost revenue were not supposed to be part of the deal."
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This is just what I was talking about in a previous post when I said after a scandal a sponsor will check the fan backlash and see if they can or want to do damage control. In this case they didn't try to do any damage control....they took thier money and ran.
 
KevinWI said:
Would that stop the witch hunt?
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Witch hunt is not applicable in this instance, In My Opinion.

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Smoke14 said:
Why is Ty Norris still employed by MWR?
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If one person should be lynched, it should be Waltrip. Dave Moody's article hit it dead on, this was a massive conspiracy by MWR, not some split second decision by Ty Norris. I just hate it for Truex because he's the one man suffering the most in all this.
 
Johali said:
Witch hunt is not applicable in this instance, In My Opinion.

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Well, Mikey did think cheating was ok, and that's a differing view for sure. ;)
 
Besides, why would MWR fire the guilty parties, Norris, Bowyer and Vickers, if they were acting at his discretion and obeying his orders? Quite honestly, if they fired Norris, he'd probably have a case to go after them for wrongful termination.
 
Smoke14 said:
It would have if done early enough.
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NAPA wouldn't have left if Norris resigned? NASCAR wouldn't have hit them with 150 points worth of penalties if Norris had quit? People wouldn't be be calling for felony grand juries, prison times or litigation if Norris had quit?

People have worked themselves into a frenzy. I doubt there is anything to going stop the public rage train at this point. I've seen a few sporting controversies in my life, but the amount of public rage for this is off the scale. The level of rage displayed in this very thread is easy to see why on the other side of the world, human beings can be talked into blowing themselves up in a crowded market for ideology out of anger. Hyperbolic comparison? Yes, but done to illustrate a point.

RCR, Roush, Hendrick, Gibbs - EVERYBODY in stock car racing has cheated at one time or another. NASCAR has attempted to "fix" what happened at Richmond via fines and penalties and arbitrarily inserting people into the Chase. The fact that people are still out for blood and want MWR financially ruined and destroyed and are talking about lawsuits and prison time is disgusting.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
If one person should be lynched, it should be Waltrip. Dave Moody's article hit it dead on, this was a massive conspiracy by MWR, not some split second decision by Ty Norris. I just hate it for Truex because he's the one man suffering the most in all this.
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When was it proven that it was not a split second decision? I have not seen anything about that.
 
Johali said:
Witch hunt is not applicable in this instance, In My Opinion.

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And the people leaving comments on MWR's Facebook page and on their sponsor's Facebook pages aren't harassing and undermining them?

NASCAR handled the sporting side with penalties and fines. Anybody who is still mad about what happened is intentionally whipping themselves into a crowd frenzy.

Sorry, Johali, people want MWR out of business for something that was done and dealt with by the sporting body. So yes, I consider all of this a witch hunt.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Besides, why would MWR fire the guilty parties, Norris, Bowyer and Vickers, if they were acting at his discretion and obeying his orders? Quite honestly, if they fired Norris, he'd probably have a case to go after them for wrongful termination.
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That bunch is dumb enough to let him go and Noris is even more dumber to actually sue MWR.

That would be some good self destruction that would help no one involved.

I'd like to see this happen only to see Waltrip walk the plank out of dodge.
 
KevinWI said:
And the people leaving comments on MWR's Facebook page and on their sponsor's Facebook pages aren't harassing and undermining them?
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Calling someone out on their shady actions isn't harassing. It's called holding people responsible.
 
I think a lot of fans who haven't watched The pre race, practices, qualifying, news and post race shows that are no longer on the air three four times a day or more don't also realize all the free publicity that the various sponsors received, along with the opportunity to advertise their products to a target audience during these times. So besides the bad publicity, their advertising dollar value is not producing what it once had, so any excuse to bail out and go a different direction is being considered also. Using the fan outcry to break a contract is as good a reason as any to bail for non performance or a morals clause. MVR really can't fight it and win.​
 
reck said:
That bunch is dumb enough to let him go and Noris is even more dumber to actually sue MWR.

That would be some good self destruction that would help no one involved.

I'd like to see this happen only to see Waltrip walk the plank out of dodge.
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All I'm saying is, as a journalist, if Michael Waltrip fired Ty Norris over this, I'd be at his doorstep within hours for an interview. I doubt Michael Waltrip wants Ty Norris telling his side of the story after being fired. Ty's already become the scapegoat and Waltrip, for all his talk about the "team", has thrown him under the bus. I'm sure Ty Norris would LOVE to explain how this was all concocted by Michael Waltrip. And Ty ain't a dummy. He was a journalist in his former life, I'm sure he'd spill the beans if he were fired. That would absolutely devastate MWR's narrative that this was all done in the heat of the moment and all concocted by Ty Norris.
 
Stewart Fan said:
Calling someone out on their shady actions isn't harassing. It's called holding people responsible.
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Except, the public outrage continued after the sporting body had taken action. So the point of the outage is to what? People want to put MWR out of business for cheating in a sport where cheating has been apart of it from the beginning.
 
KevinWI said:
And the people leaving comments on MWR's Facebook page and on their sponsor's Facebook pages aren't harassing and undermining them?

NASCAR handled the sporting side with penalties and fines. Anybody who is still mad about what happened is intentionally whipping themselves into a crowd frenzy.

Sorry, Johali, people want MWR out of business for something that was done and dealt with by the sporting body. So yes, I consider all of this a witch hunt.
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All of the above is your opinion and I respect your right to it but I obviously think you are wrong, things like I highlighted above are your opinions. It is not harassing and undermining to email text or tweet your opinions to anybody, and I have seen no proof of this whipping into a crowd frenzy you speak of, and I have read only a couple of posts out of several hundred that want Michael Waltrip out of business, most like me just want him to man up for the first time and admit to what extent he was involved in this mess and as far as this being a witch hunt is also your opinion which you are entitled to.
 
I remember a year or two ago Kyle Busch had a controversy going on. I don't remember what it was about but I do remember a lot of fans were wanting M&M'S to drop him and JGR. M&M'S held their ground and stood behind them and now they have a real good shot at winning a championship this year. I type this while I'm sitting here snacking on a bag of M&M'S.:)
 
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