NAPA Leaves MWR

Moody nailed it - this is the equivalent of a political scandal. Firing Ty Norris would be the equivalent of when President Obama fired the acting IRS director over that clusterphuque. The people responsible either left long ago or have gotten promotions. I would be willing to bet big money that the reason President Obama hasn't fired Sarah Hall Ingram is because he doesn't want her going on Fox News and telling Megyn Kelly that she was engaging in the targeting of political opponents at the request of President Obama. Not trying to get political, just adding context. The Michael Waltrip Racing saga really is the same exact thing now.
 
Johali said:
All of the above is your opinion and I respect your right to it but I obviously think you are wrong, things like I highlighted above are your opinions. It is not harassing and undermining to email text or tweet your opinions to anybody, and I have seen no proof of this whipping into a crowd frenzy you speak of, and I have read only a couple of posts out of several hundred that want Michael Waltrip out of business, most like me just want him to man up for the first time and admit to what extent he was involved in this mess and as far as this being a witch hunt is also your opinion which you are entitled to.
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Right Johali, but I would include "Aarons and 5 Hour Energy should leave too!" as the opinions in favor of MWR going out of business. MWR won't run without sponsors. Whether or not they see it this way, people who complain to NAPA or the other sponsors are trying to put MWR out of business. Like you said, my opinion.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I remember a year or two ago Kyle Busch had a controversy going on. I don't remember what it was about but I do remember a lot of fans were wanting M&M'S to drop him and JGR. M&M'S held their ground and stood behind them and now they have a real good shot at winning a championship this year. I type this while I'm sitting here snacking on a bag of M&M'S.:)
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That isn't anywhere near the same as this. First difference is, Kyle Busch is probably going to win 200 races and he's got at least 10 more years and could rack up a lot of championships. Second difference is, what Kyle Busch did was nowhere near as egregious as what MWR did. Kyle got pissed off and wrecked someone. Michael Waltrip Racing cooked up a conspiracy and fixed a race. If there was a thermonuclear blast resistant level of proof that Kyle Busch planned to go in to a minor league race and wreck drivers under caution, that'd be a different story and he'd probably no longer have a ride.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I remember a year or two ago Kyle Busch had a controversy going on. I don't remember what it was about but I do remember a lot of fans were wanting M&M'S to drop him and JGR. M&M'S held their ground and stood behind them and now they have a real good shot at winning a championship this year. I type this while I'm sitting here snacking on a bag of M&M'S.:)
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As I recall, M&Ms said they were going to drop him and then later changed their mind.
 
KevinWI said:
NAPA wouldn't have left if Norris resigned? NASCAR wouldn't have hit them with 150 points worth of penalties if Norris had quit? People wouldn't be be calling for felony grand juries, prison times or litigation if Norris had quit?

People have worked themselves into a frenzy. I doubt there is anything to going stop the public rage train at this point. I've seen a few sporting controversies in my life, but the amount of public rage for this is off the scale. The level of rage displayed in this very thread is easy to see why on the other side of the world, human beings can be talked into blowing themselves up in a crowded market for ideology out of anger. Hyperbolic comparison? Yes, but done to illustrate a point.

RCR, Roush, Hendrick, Gibbs - EVERYBODY in stock car racing has cheated at one time or another. NASCAR has attempted to "fix" what happened at Richmond via fines and penalties and arbitrarily inserting people into the Chase. The fact that people are still out for blood and want MWR financially ruined and destroyed and are talking about lawsuits and prison time is disgusting.
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I think like me people are just pissed off because of all dancing around what really happen. just like mikey's quote today. lines that nascar said we crossed. he still wont say they conspired to fix the race.
 
KevinWI said:
And the people leaving comments on MWR's Facebook page and on their sponsor's Facebook pages aren't harassing and undermining them?

NASCAR handled the sporting side with penalties and fines. Anybody who is still mad about what happened is intentionally whipping themselves into a crowd frenzy.

Sorry, Johali, people want MWR out of business for something that was done and dealt with by the sporting body. So yes, I consider all of this a witch hunt.
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People have a right to spend their money any way they choose. If they don't like what MWR did and decided to not spend their money at NAPA and say so on NAPA's facebook page, that's their choice.

Sponsors also have a right to spend their money the way they choose.

Call it a witch hunt if you want, but it's their money, their choice.
 
KevinWI said:
NAPA wouldn't have left if Norris resigned? NASCAR wouldn't have hit them with 150 points worth of penalties if Norris had quit? People wouldn't be be calling for felony grand juries, prison times or litigation if Norris had quit?

People have worked themselves into a frenzy. I doubt there is anything to going stop the public rage train at this point. I've seen a few sporting controversies in my life, but the amount of public rage for this is off the scale. The level of rage displayed in this very thread is easy to see why on the other side of the world, human beings can be talked into blowing themselves up in a crowded market for ideology out of anger. Hyperbolic comparison? Yes, but done to illustrate a point.

RCR, Roush, Hendrick, Gibbs - EVERYBODY in stock car racing has cheated at one time or another. NASCAR has attempted to "fix" what happened at Richmond via fines and penalties and arbitrarily inserting people into the Chase. The fact that people are still out for blood and want MWR financially ruined and destroyed and are talking about lawsuits and prison time is disgusting.
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WOW!
 
Nitro Dude said:
I remember a year or two ago Kyle Busch had a controversy going on. I don't remember what it was about but I do remember a lot of fans were wanting M&M'S to drop him and JGR. M&M'S held their ground and stood behind them and now they have a real good shot at winning a championship this year. I type this while I'm sitting here snacking on a bag of M&M'S.:)
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Word through the garage and was widely reported is that Mars came close but JD and Joe Gibbs cut a deal with them so Mars put him on probation with a stern warning that one more incident of any kind and he was out.
 
gordonite said:
People have a right to spend their money any way they choose. If they don't like what MWR did and decided to not spend their money at NAPA and say so on NAPA's facebook page, that's their choice.

Sponsors also have a right to spend their money the way they choose.

Call it a witch hunt if you want, but it's their money, their choice.
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It's pretty rare for any company to say, very publicly, that people stopped spending money at their store because of a single incident in a sporting event. Hell, even the sponsors who dropped Michael Vick did so because it was the politically correct thing to do.
 
Magnethead said:
what's to say that NAPA won't do a trade with another team? Then it doesn't cost anybody money. What if NAPA goes to another team, and truex does to? nobody has lost anything. The only way somebody loses is if MWR doesn't release truex.
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Except all the people at MWR could lose their jobs and the Cup garage could lose 3 quality teams. I'd say those are pretty significant losses we could be looking at. I'm sure NAPA will continue their presence in NASCAR but they could be the first domino that leads to a mass exodus of sponsors at MWR and puts that organization 6 feet deep.
 
Don't know what all the ha-ranging is about, the cat is already out of the bag, somehow ya think if Mikey says I DID IT is going to get NAPA back? hail no, more sponsors are going to jump ship soon, so don't blow it all out on this deal..save some for later will ya.
 
Johali said:
Word through the garage and was widely reported is that Mars came close but JD and Joe Gibbs cut a deal with them so Mars put him on probation with a stern warning that one more incident of any kind and he was out.
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This is also true from everything I've heard. Kyle Busch came damn close to losing sponsors. Gibbs has dealt with hothead drivers with anger control issues before. I don't know what went on between Gibbs and Kyle after that but I'm fairly certain they warned him about stepping another toe out of line. Kyle hasn't acted like a massive bag of douche ever since.
 
gordonite said:
People have a right to spend their money any way they choose. If they don't like what MWR did and decided to not spend their money at NAPA and say so on NAPA's facebook page, that's their choice.

Sponsors also have a right to spend their money the way they choose.

Call it a witch hunt if you want, but it's their money, their choice.
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Thank you, I do want.

But, did anybody protest Lowe's when the #48 had an illegal something-or-other or Home Depot when the #20 had the illegal connecting rod? Who boycotted DuPont paint when Rick Hendrick entered the #58 car with Jeff Purvis to assure Jeff Gordon would win the 1995 Cup championship? Did anybody complain to GM Goodwrench when Dale Sr. won races because Dave Marcis had "handling problems"?

My point is, public reaction to this cheating scandal is way overdone.

Anybody who didn't know that teammates work together on the track has their eyes closed.

Race manipulation? Race fixing? MWR controlled 3 out of 43 cars at Richmond. Give me a break. This isn't Pete Rose, the 1919 Black Sox or the mob fixing boxing matches. Michael Waltrip had as much control over the outcome of Richmond has he normally does. Newman was done in by a crappy pit stop, no amount of cautions caused by Bowyer or Vickers would have changed that.

I have nothing else to say on the issue. Everybody can read my opinions in this thread and elsewhere. Looking forward to this weekend, Loudon is one of my favorite tracks.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I bet their glad they changed their mind.
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I bet they're glad Kyle put his head on his shoulders and hasn't acted like a complete assclown and is competing for championships now. And I bet Kyle's glad he had a "come to Jesus" moment because he's become a better driver ever since then. I'd also be willing to bet that if Kyle won the championship this year, he'd say that the incident with Hornaday, the fallout from it and everything after that helped him become a better person and would attribute his attitude adjustment as one of the main reasons he won the title.
 
One of the first things I thought is will MWR still be able to compete on the highest level like they have been for the past couple years? Im assuming that whoever they get to replace NAPA wont be handing over as large of cheques.
 
KevinWI said:
Thank you, I do want.

But, did anybody protest Lowe's when the #48 had an illegal something-or-other or Home Depot when the #20 had the illegal connecting rod? Who boycotted DuPont paint when Rick Hendrick entered the #58 car with Jeff Purvis to assure Jeff Gordon would win the 1995 Cup championship? Did anybody complain to GM Goodwrench when Dale Sr. won races because Dave Marcis had "handling problems"?

My point is, public reaction to this cheating scandal is way overdone.

Anybody who didn't know that teammates work together on the track has their eyes closed.

Race manipulation? Race fixing? MWR controlled 3 out of 43 cars at Richmond. Give me a break. This isn't Pete Rose, the 1919 Black Sox or the mob fixing boxing matches. Michael Waltrip had as much control over the outcome of Richmond has he normally does. Newman was done in by a crappy pit stop, no amount of cautions caused by Bowyer or Vickers would have changed that.

I have nothing else to say on the issue. Everybody can read my opinions in this thread and elsewhere. Looking forward to this weekend, Loudon is one of my favorite tracks.
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You're right, this isn't the 1919 White Sox. The 1919 White Sox would criticize this stuff.
 
Smoke14 said:
Why is Ty Norris still employed by MWR?
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LOOOOOL...He holds all the cards to weather Mikey has additional LEGAL troubles....If Norris tells a story about any MWR organization meetings where this manipulation was in fact talked about, this powder keg will blow like no one has seen b-4
 
KevinWI said:
Thank you, I do want.

But, did anybody protest Lowe's when the #48 had an illegal something-or-other or Home Depot when the #20 had the illegal connecting rod? Who boycotted DuPont paint when Rick Hendrick entered the #58 car with Jeff Purvis to assure Jeff Gordon would win the 1995 Cup championship? Did anybody complain to GM Goodwrench when Dale Sr. won races because Dave Marcis had "handling problems"?

My point is, public reaction to this cheating scandal is way overdone.

Anybody who didn't know that teammates work together on the track has their eyes closed.

Race manipulation? Race fixing? MWR controlled 3 out of 43 cars at Richmond. Give me a break. This isn't Pete Rose, the 1919 Black Sox or the mob fixing boxing matches. Michael Waltrip had as much control over the outcome of Richmond has he normally does. Newman was done in by a crappy pit stop, no amount of cautions caused by Bowyer or Vickers would have changed that.

I have nothing else to say on the issue. Everybody can read my opinions in this thread and elsewhere. Looking forward to this weekend, Loudon is one of my favorite tracks.
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Maybe it is overdone. But like I said, people have a right to spend their money how they see fit.
Same with sponsors.
 
KevinWI said:
Thank you, I do want.

But, did anybody protest Lowe's when the #48 had an illegal something-or-other or Home Depot when the #20 had the illegal connecting rod? Who boycotted DuPont paint when Rick Hendrick entered the #58 car with Jeff Purvis to assure Jeff Gordon would win the 1995 Cup championship? Did anybody complain to GM Goodwrench when Dale Sr. won races because Dave Marcis had "handling problems"?

My point is, public reaction to this cheating scandal is way overdone.

Anybody who didn't know that teammates work together on the track has their eyes closed.

Race manipulation? Race fixing? MWR controlled 3 out of 43 cars at Richmond. Give me a break. This isn't Pete Rose, the 1919 Black Sox or the mob fixing boxing matches. Michael Waltrip had as much control over the outcome of Richmond has he normally does. Newman was done in by a crappy pit stop, no amount of cautions caused by Bowyer or Vickers would have changed that.

I have nothing else to say on the issue. Everybody can read my opinions in this thread and elsewhere. Looking forward to this weekend, Loudon is one of my favorite tracks.
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As hard as you're protesting I'm beginning to think that you are Michael Waltrip. o_O
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I bet they're glad Kyle put his head on his shoulders and hasn't acted like a complete assclown and is competing for championships now. And I bet Kyle's glad he had a "come to Jesus" moment because he's become a better driver ever since then. I'd also be willing to bet that if Kyle won the championship this year, he'd say that the incident with Hornaday, the fallout from it and everything after that helped him become a better person and would attribute his attitude adjustment as one of the main reasons he won the title.
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And don't forget the plastic boobies, FB aint around so I had to take up his slack. :)
 
KevinWI said:
Thank you, I do want.

But, did anybody protest Lowe's when the #48 had an illegal something-or-other or Home Depot when the #20 had the illegal connecting rod? Who boycotted DuPont paint when Rick Hendrick entered the #58 car with Jeff Purvis to assure Jeff Gordon would win the 1995 Cup championship? Did anybody complain to GM Goodwrench when Dale Sr. won races because Dave Marcis had "handling problems"?

My point is, public reaction to this cheating scandal is way overdone.

Anybody who didn't know that teammates work together on the track has their eyes closed.

Race manipulation? Race fixing? MWR controlled 3 out of 43 cars at Richmond. Give me a break. This isn't Pete Rose, the 1919 Black Sox or the mob fixing boxing matches. Michael Waltrip had as much control over the outcome of Richmond has he normally does. Newman was done in by a crappy pit stop, no amount of cautions caused by Bowyer or Vickers would have changed that.

I have nothing else to say on the issue. Everybody can read my opinions in this thread and elsewhere. Looking forward to this weekend, Loudon is one of my favorite tracks.
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different world today. Nascar wanted the masses they got them.
 
gordonite said:
Did NAPA say that?
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They cited a single incident, yes. That's rare. This wasn't a blanket statement. NAPA made it very clear the reason they exited was because of the Richmond fiasco. They said exactly what MWR did. They didn't say "MWR's actions are inconsistent with our image and we will not renew our sponsorship".
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I bet they're glad Kyle put his head on his shoulders and hasn't acted like a complete assclown and is competing for championships now. And I bet Kyle's glad he had a "come to Jesus" moment because he's become a better driver ever since then. I'd also be willing to bet that if Kyle won the championship this year, he'd say that the incident with Hornaday, the fallout from it and everything after that helped him become a better person and would attribute his attitude adjustment as one of the main reasons he won the title.
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You and I are on the same page now.
 
Johali said:
As hard as you're protesting I'm beginning to think that you are Michael Waltrip. o_O
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lol, you never know.:cool:

I think MW is a bumbling buffoon for rubes on TV who couldn't drive a race car to save his life. And he is a cheat, see the 2007 rocket fuel scandal. But, my pop taught me to stand up for what I thought was right, which is why I defend MWR in this case, or Hendrick when people start with the "he bribed Clinton" crap (even though I don't like HMS) or Toyota when people accuse them of being corrupt (even though I don't like Toyotas). I don't think what MWR did was that outrageous, so even though I think MW is a cheat and buffoon, I defend him because I don't think NASCAR or the public's reaction was/is fair.
 
KevinWI said:
lol, you never know.:cool:

I think MW is a bumbling buffoon for rubes on TV who couldn't drive a race car to save his life. And he is a cheat, see the 2007 rocket fuel scandal. But, my pop taught me to stand up for what I thought was right, which is why I defend MWR in this case, or Hendrick when people start with the "he bribed Clinton" crap (even though I don't like HMS) or Toyota when people accuse them of being corrupt (even though I don't like Toyotas). I don't think what MWR did was that outrageous, so even though I think MW is a cheat and buffoon, I defend him because I don't think NASCAR or the public's reaction was/is fair.
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Hokay.
 
I think the nail in the coffin for MWR was Clint's ridiculous behavior on ESPN. As Moody pointed out, he winked and danced and never gave a straight answer. I was totally turned off by that interview ---

I also think that if Michael had owned up on Monday, come clean, suspended or fired Ty, and admitted the spin as intentional, the public fallout might not have been as bad. As it was, he danced and two-stepped and did the poor me act.

Michael is not stupid, but he can do some stupid things.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Second difference is, what Kyle Busch did was nowhere near as egregious as what MWR did. Kyle got pissed off and wrecked someone. Michael Waltrip Racing cooked up a conspiracy and fixed a race.
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Sorry Andy, gott disagree with you on this one. Running down someone under caution (who was in the running for a championship at that) and turning them head first into the wall is as bad if not worse. That's a safety issue. Just like what Gordon did to Bowyer at Phoenix last year, which all of St. Gordon's fans are conveniently forgetting. NASCAR lost their biggest star to a head on collision with the wall, you'd think they'd be a little more sensitive to it.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I think the nail in the coffin for MWR was Clint's ridiculous behavior on ESPN. As Moody pointed out, he winked and danced and never gave a straight answer. I was totally turned off by that interview ---

I also think that if Michael had owned up on Monday, come clean, suspended or fired Ty, and admitted the spin as intentional, the public fallout might not have been as bad. As it was, he danced and two-stepped and did the poor me act.

Michael is not stupid, but he can do some stupid things.
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I used to respect Clint Bowyer but not anymore. He could wreck out every week and I'd be okay with it. Honestly, I lost respects for him last year with the way he kept taking cheap shots at Jeff Gordon. I'm not a Gordon fan by any means but he finally snapped. Bowyer's showing his true colors now and I don't like it.
 
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TexasRaceLady said:
I think the nail in the coffin for MWR was Clint's ridiculous behavior on ESPN. As Moody pointed out, he winked and danced and never gave a straight answer. I was totally turned off by that interview ---

I also think that if Michael had owned up on Monday, come clean, suspended or fired Ty, and admitted the spin as intentional, the public fallout might not have been as bad. As it was, he danced and two-stepped and did the poor me act.

Michael is not stupid, but he can do some stupid things.
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Clint should've been the one who lost his spot in the Chase/Sponsor instead of Truex.
 
ToyYoda said:
Sorry Andy, gott disagree with you on this one. Running down someone under caution (who was in the running for a championship at that) and turning them head first into the wall is as bad if not worse. That's a safety issue. Just like what Gordon did to Bowyer at Phoenix last year, which all of St. Gordon's fans are conveniently forgetting. NASCAR lost their biggest star to a head on collision with the wall, you'd think they'd be a little more sensitive to it.
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Gordons fans aren't forgetting it, they relish it and talk about it as often as they can, they think and rightfully so that Bowyer deserved it, but this is not the thread for that.
 
KevinWI said:
lol, you never know.:cool:

I think MW is a bumbling buffoon for rubes on TV who couldn't drive a race car to save his life. And he is a cheat, see the 2007 rocket fuel scandal. But, my pop taught me to stand up for what I thought was right, which is why I defend MWR in this case, or Hendrick when people start with the "he bribed Clinton" crap (even though I don't like HMS) or Toyota when people accuse them of being corrupt (even though I don't like Toyotas). I don't think what MWR did was that outrageous, so even though I think MW is a cheat and buffoon, I defend him because I don't think NASCAR or the public's reaction was/is fair.
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I didn't know you were a fringe ABT member. :idunno::ninja:
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
They cited a single incident, yes. That's rare. This wasn't a blanket statement. NAPA made it very clear the reason they exited was because of the Richmond fiasco. They said exactly what MWR did. They didn't say "MWR's actions are inconsistent with our image and we will not renew our sponsorship".
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Yes, I know NAPA cited the Richmond incident as to why they are pulling their sponsorship.
That's different than NAPA saying people stopped spending money at their store because of it.
 
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