NASCAR considering OTT network

Team Penske said:
I honestly believe that satellite and cable TV will be things of the past in the not to distant future.
Internet and live streaming will be the choice.
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It is a thing of the past in my household. Been strictly streaming since late February early March of this year. I haven't missed my satellite dish for a second. I am saving over $100 a month and luvin every minute of it.

RacerrecaR said:
I've said for a couple years that Netflix is NASCAR's golden ticket. Netflix Sports will be the future of sports TV viewing....mark my words.
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Netflix, Amazon, Vue, YouTube..... The options are endless and available to everyone with an internet connection.

Formerjackman said:
I have an almost new computer and fiber optic internet in the second most populated county in the state of Indiana in the middle of a densely packed neighborhood. I have also tried to watch some episodes of TV series I have missed, and I usually just end up saying the hell with it.
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That's crazy. I'm about as rural as they get these days. 40 minutes from the closest Walmart. ;) I am able to stream 5 HD streams concurrently along with a son that live steams his XBOX matches on COD. You'd think that in an area like yours a better option would be available for you.


Spotter22 said:
Firestick and Durex TV. Look it up yall. $14.95 gets you all your heart desires.
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Firestick = :cool:

DurexTV is just one of many IPTV services out there with access to everything. I may try out their service sometime but I currently pay $15/month for the same access with another IPTV service. We are huge sports fans. Nascar, NFL, NHL, MLB, NCAAF, NCAABB, NCAA T&F. PPV sporting events. It's all good and all available. I've tried turning people on to it in the Chit-Chat's Cable Cutters thread. Doesn't seem that too many care..... yet.

Someday in NASCAR's future there may be a dedicated feed. I'll be there one way or another.
 
Just a local company that is wireless. Little dish antenna on my house. I just happen to have a good sight line to their local antenna.

Because of the hills around me, some areas don't have cell phone reception.
The phone line isn't even fiber optic out here.
 
StandOnIt said:
I've never watched a WWE, but I probably wouldn't tell anybody if I ever did.
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I’ve never watched Street Outlaws and I would definitely not tell a soul if I had. Same thing with any show that featured Dick Rawlins
 
IanMcVittie said:
NFL Sunday Ticket?
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Not the same IPTV as mentioned previously They are all about the same with the exception of price and simultaneous streams but on a typical Sunday we stream four or five simultaneous NFL games depending on whether or not the race is broadcast at the same time. Yes, five tv's. Four along one wall and another mounted on a separate wall. Saturday's it's NCAAF. Most week nights it NHL & NCABB. Everything that is being broadcast is available.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It is a thing of the past in my household. Been strictly streaming since late February early March of this year. I haven't missed my satellite dish for a second. I am saving over $100 a month and luvin every minute of it.



Netflix, Amazon, Vue, YouTube..... The options are endless and available to everyone with an internet connection.



That's crazy. I'm about as rural as they get these days. 40 minutes from the closest Walmart. ;) I am able to stream 5 HD streams concurrently along with a son that live steams his XBOX matches on COD. You'd think that in an area like yours a better option would be available for you.



Firestick = :cool:

DurexTV is just one of many IPTV services out there with access to everything. I may try out their service sometime but I currently pay $15/month for the same access with another IPTV service. We are huge sports fans. Nascar, NFL, NHL, MLB, NCAAF, NCAABB, NCAA T&F. PPV sporting events. It's all good and all available. I've tried turning people on to it in the Chit-Chat's Cable Cutters thread. Doesn't seem that too many care..... yet.

Someday in NASCAR's future there may be a dedicated feed. I'll be there one way or another.
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Durex has a pretty friendly setup and is easy to use, what are you using for your IPTV?
 
Spotter22 said:
And a database of Movies and TV shows in the thousands
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I'm not familiar with the service that you are using but the one I use has a 'Catchup' option. Every single show on every single network/channel is recorded and available for up to one week. If there was something that we missed on some obscure channel we can pull it up and watch it at a later date. The possibilities are endless. Dish Network's prices pushed us to pursue other options available. There is no looking back now. Heck, what that portable firestick, as long as you have an internet connection, you've got absolutely everything available to you anywhere you're located. We take it with us when we are out of town and don't miss a thing.
 
Spotter22 said:
Durex has a pretty friendly setup and is easy to use, what are you using for your IPTV?
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Vader is our current provider. We've used, now defunct, SetTV. We've also tried XStreamingTV. GripKing is another. Along with several other options. Thanks to your mention, I've now added Durex to my list of potentials.

Mine currently allows unlimited devices with a max of five concurrent streams. No limit on a home location. $15/month
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I'm not familiar with the service that you are using but the one I use has a 'Catchup' option. Every single show on every single network/channel is recorded and available for up to one week. If there was something that we missed on some obscure channel we can pull it up and watch it at a later date. The possibilities are endless. Dish Network's prices pushed us to pursue other options available. There is no looking back now. Heck, what that portable firestick, as long as you have an internet connection, you've got absolutely everything available to you anywhere you're located. We take it with us when we are out of town and don't miss a thing.
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Same thing here, it goes with me where ever I go. I think Durex has catchup but I'll have to check it and make sure. I used Boom Boom TV for a long time but had issues with it timing out to many times and Durex seems to have solved that problem.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Vader is our current provider. We've used, now defunct, SetTV. We've also tried XStreamingTV. GripKing is another. Along with several other options. Thanks to your mention, I've now added Durex to my list of potentials.

Mine currently allows unlimited devices with a max of five concurrent streams. No limit on a home location. $15/month
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Thats really good, Durex is a max 2 connections.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I'm not familiar with the service that you are using but the one I use has a 'Catchup' option. Every single show on every single network/channel is recorded and available for up to one week. If there was something that we missed on some obscure channel we can pull it up and watch it at a later date. The possibilities are endless. Dish Network's prices pushed us to pursue other options available. There is no looking back now. Heck, what that portable firestick, as long as you have an internet connection, you've got absolutely everything available to you anywhere you're located. We take it with us when we are out of town and don't miss a thing.
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Ever crossed a border and try to make it work?? Just asking because many video's posted on here come back with the message "not available in your country".
 
There's getting to be some big players besides cable in the media business, NetFlix, YouTube, Liberty media, Amazon for a few, and they are all going to be looking for content in the future. Leave it at that. F-1 and Amazon have had talks already.
 
Formerjackman said:
The things I don't understand is why in the hell would ANYBODY want to watch a sporting event on a phone? We've spent the last 75 years making ever bigger TV screens and now people want to watch on something they can hold in their hand? Why not just record it and watch it later? Secondly, unless live streaming gets a HELL OF A LOT better than my experiences with it, it's a non starter. I have spent more time trying to get it work right than watching the programming. For the last several years I have attempted to watch the overnight hours of the Rolex 24 on live streaming, over two or three different networks, and the results are generally terrible. I have an almost new computer and fiber optic internet in the second most populated county in the state of Indiana in the middle of a densely packed neighborhood. I have also tried to watch some episodes of TV series I have missed, and I usually just end up saying the hell with it.
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You don't need a phone to stream. If you have a Fire Stick or Roku or whatever you can just plug that into your TV and so long as NASCAR Network or whatever is an available app you could stream everything right through your TV. I don't think you can Chromecast whatever is on FansChoice right now.

It would be along the lines of what ESPN+ is now, a separate network you could subscribe to outside of any traditional TV package, compatible with a lot of different devices like Fire Stick, Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku, PS4, Xbox...and they have a LOT of original programming that is exclusive to +.
 
StandOnIt said:
There's getting to be some big players besides cable in the media business, NetFlix, YouTube, Liberty media, Amazon for a few, and they are all going to be looking for content in the future. Leave it at that. F-1 and Amazon have had talks already
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It will be interesting to see what platform(s) Nascar programming will be on in the next broadcast deal. I will be really interested in seeing if Nascar can pull another rabbit out of their hats like they did a few years back with the value and term of the deal.
 
Snappy D said:
I’d never leave the house again if they’d add some World Of Outlaws races somehow, I’d be geeked just to get weekly ARCA races
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WoO sprint races are already all available live on their own service. I think it’s about $38 per month. Good value during some of the more race heavy months. They are doing a similar thing next year for the Late models (WoO and hell tour). All races live for $38. That’s a really good deal during hell tour month since they run around 25 races in 30 days and there are a few WoO LM races during that time as well.
Dirtvision.com
 
toledo47 said:
WoO sprint races are already all available live on their own service. I think it’s about $38 per month. Good value during some of the more race heavy months. They are doing a similar thing next year for the Late models (WoO and hell tour). All races live for $38. That’s a really good deal during hell tour month since they run around 25 races in 30 days and there are a few WoO LM races during that time as well.
Dirtvision.com
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Thanks man didn’t know that, I have to get Dirtvision.com!
 
I would pay a one-time fee for someone to take a list of channels I watch, determine if I have sufficient bandwidth to stream them, and provide a list of the gadgets and services would permit me to access them for less money than I'm spending now. I figure a fee equal to one year's savings would be appropriate.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I've never heard of Dick Rawlins and I'll definitely tell the entire Internet.
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I think he is the egomaniac from Gas Monkey Garage but it could be another fake reality show. Street Outlaws has been described as “the dumbest fake street racing show”’ and “a bunch of scripted herpaderp”
 
I've never heard of Gas Monkey Garage or Street Outlaws. I'm still unashamed to tell the Internet, but I did use it to find out what network they're on, which explains why I've never heard of them. (I remember when Discovery used to have programs with some scientific basis and not a just a buttload of pseudo-reality Shinola and re-hashed alarmist disasters.) I say 'find out' and not 'learn' because I'm not going to remember anything I discover at this hour of the night and this stage of insomnia. That's a shame, because I'd like to remember 'herpaderp'.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Just a local company that is wireless. Little dish antenna on my house. I just happen to have a good sight line to their local antenna.

Because of the hills around me, some areas don't have cell phone reception.
The phone line isn't even fiber optic out here.
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Thats not rural....Thats boonies.;)
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I've never heard of Gas Monkey Garage or Street Outlaws. I'm still unashamed to tell the Internet, but I did use it to find out what network they're on, which explains why I've never heard of them. (I remember when Discovery used to have programs with some scientific basis and not a just a buttload of pseudo-reality Shinola and re-hashed alarmist disasters.) I say 'find out' and not 'learn' because I'm not going to remember anything I discover at this hour of the night and this stage of insomnia. That's a shame, because I'd like to remember 'herpaderp'.
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I know what you mean and Discovery used to be a really good network
 
FLRacingFan said:


Was only a matter of time before this happened considering The Good Broadcaster already put IndyCar practice, of all things, behind a $50 ‘pass’.
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Well, if it includes everything like IMSA, NASCAR, ARCA, etc in the package... I will buy it for the year, its a shame that fanschoice lost out because its a great service.

We have already discussed this, I appreciate NBC's dedication to motorsports, but monepolozation is becoming more alarmingly obvious with IndyCar and NASCAR.
 
Kiante said:
Well, if it includes everything like IMSA, NASCAR, ARCA, etc in the package... I will buy it for the year, its a shame that fanschoice lost out because its a great service.

We have already discussed this, I appreciate NBC's dedication to motorsports, but monepolozation is becoming more alarmingly obvious with IndyCar and NASCAR.
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Pretty sure you’ll still need a package that includes FS2 and MAVTV for ARCA Menards, this should just cover the East and West series.

They have separate passes for Supercross and Motocross too. It’s ridiculous how much they manage to bilk people on top of requiring cable packages or some sort of streaming service that includes NBCSN. Makes ESPN+ look like a huge steal in comparison with everything in one $50/year bundle.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Pretty sure you’ll still need a package that includes FS2 and MAVTV for ARCA Menards, this should just cover the East and West series.

They have separate passes for Supercross and Motocross too. It’s ridiculous how much they manage to bilk people on top of requiring cable packages or some sort of streaming service that includes NBCSN. Makes ESPN+ look like a huge steal in comparison with everything in one $50/year bundle.
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If NBC/Comcast was smart, especially with motocross, modified, and ARCA being more niche. They need to do a bundle of the motorsports together for one annual pass. Hell, paying 60 dollars for a year of IndyCar and feeder series is already enough and motocross with its own deal.

Its not going to happen, but if they bundle all of it together for a fair price. I'd buy it with no issue, but how will this affect the growth of the series? This is what I don't understand about the paywall. Cutting cable is starting to become more expensive than actual cable. At the same time, I don't fully understand business in this aspect. I guess NBC will pump out more money for them all, I'm down for commercial free telecasts as well and having an option to not listen to commentary at times...
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
$5/month ain't bad. Much better than the rumored $30/month price tag that was being floated around about FansChoice.
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Yep. It might not stay at that price point, but if you're interested in the content and increased coverage, IMO there is zero room to complain about that price. I say that as someone who is spending $70 per month to stream sprint car races, and I have no issue with that either. You either support coverage of niche content or you don't. Free broadcast models aren't sustainable for stuff that thousands of people are interested in rather than hundreds of thousands.
 
I can not go along with this if it means they will **** me out of seeing the Racing Wives show. It has to be part of the deal.
 
Kiante said:
Cutting cable is starting to become more expensive than actual cable.
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Ding ding ding! Mark my words, when it is all said and done, if want any kind of broad cross section of television programming, you will be paying roughly as much as regular cable service, and you'll likely have to go to umpteen different providers to get it. If you have a very narrow focus in your television viewing, you may do OK, but if you watch a lot of different stuff, there will be no "free lunch".
 
Kiante said:
If NBC/Comcast was smart, especially with motocross, modified, and ARCA being more niche. They need to do a bundle of the motorsports together for one annual pass. Hell, paying 60 dollars for a year of IndyCar and feeder series is already enough and motocross with its own deal.

Its not going to happen, but if they bundle all of it together for a fair price. I'd buy it with no issue, but how will this affect the growth of the series? This is what I don't understand about the paywall. Cutting cable is starting to become more expensive than actual cable. At the same time, I don't fully understand business in this aspect. I guess NBC will pump out more money for them all, I'm down for commercial free telecasts as well and having an option to not listen to commentary at times...
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As douchey as he is, Clay Travis warned about this years ago. As traditional cable subscription numbers drop the less TV networks, niche ones in particular, are subsidized by folks who don’t necessarily consume their product. That’s particularly harmful for a network like NBCSN who pays out the ass for predominantly niche sports like hockey and Motorsports, so they do what they can to get more out of those who do consume their product. Everyone’s starting a standalone streaming service with exclusive content now and collectively it’s racking up.

One of them alone wouldn’t be too bad but as you said it sucks there’s no bundle for someone who follows all of them. On top of whatever you pay already for TV you’re looking at maybe $200-250 more for the year if you consider yourself dedicated enough. Unfortunately it also means it’ll likely be geoblocked outside of the US so overall no, not great if you want to try to increase interest in the regional series.
 
Kiante said:
If NBC/Comcast was smart, especially with motocross, modified, and ARCA being more niche. They need to do a bundle of the motorsports together for one annual pass. Hell, paying 60 dollars for a year of IndyCar and feeder series is already enough and motocross with its own deal.

Its not going to happen, but if they bundle all of it together for a fair price. I'd buy it with no issue, but how will this affect the growth of the series? This is what I don't understand about the paywall. Cutting cable is starting to become more expensive than actual cable. At the same time, I don't fully understand business in this aspect. I guess NBC will pump out more money for them all, I'm down for commercial free telecasts as well and having an option to not listen to commentary at times...
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Good points. They are milking hardcore fans. Realistically, a hardcore MX fan is unlikely to also be a hardcore IndyCar or IMSA or short track oval fan. There is crossover, but not a lot. That's why these packages remain narrowly targeted and individualized.

This has happened in many sectors of media. Two diverging trends of monolithic $10-$20 per month for a whole kitchen sink of content and more expensive niche subscriptions for small but passionate fanbases.

I agree that the few larger racing properties that already had meaningful traditional broadcasting in place should be careful to balance how much is locked behind a paywall, as this does inhibit growth and exposure. However, for the majority of racing series that didn't, building out an online subscription service is a no-brainer if there is demand.
 
gnomesayin said:
Good points. They are milking hardcore fans. Realistically, a hardcore MX fan is unlikely to also be a hardcore IndyCar or IMSA or short track oval fan. There is crossover, but not a lot. That's why these packages remain narrowly targeted and individualized.

This has happened in many sectors of media. Two diverging trends of monolithic $10-$20 per month for a whole kitchen sink of content and more expensive niche subscriptions for small but passionate fanbases.

I agree that the few larger racing properties that already had meaningful traditional broadcasting in place should be careful to balance how much is locked behind a paywall, as this does inhibit growth and exposure. However, for the majority of racing series that didn't, building out an online subscription service is a no-brainer if there is demand.
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yep how much can they squeeze out of us. Just announced for the NBC Sports $$$gold replaces the free Fans Choice TV. I'm pretty sure someone will come along and tell me what a bargain it is at 5 bucks a month replacing something that is free.

 
They better hope they don't have 15 car fields for any Menards Series race or I'm not bothering.
 
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