NASCAR To Begin Allowing Limited Fans

Charlie Spencer said:
After the privilege of wearing a military M-17 protective mask for hours or a couple of days at a time, I find it difficult to take mask complaints seriously.

That's not a put-down of those who have never worn a military 'gas mask'. It's strictly a comparison of the relative levels of discomfort, nothing more or less. Try one on at your local surplus store for 15 or 20 minutes.
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My complaint about the masks is they are unnecessary. They're basically a fad. I see strange people virtue signaling wearing them while they are alone driving their car. Nuts. If you or others feel they are necessary that is your opinion and you're free to wear one. I see people wearing them pulled down from their nose or even around their neck rubbing their nose or eyes. They're not even proper masks.
 
10-4 said:
My complaint about the masks is they are unnecessary. They're basically a fad.
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There’s a solution for those holding the above opinion.

Pull the bill of the red hat down in front of your nose and mouth. It will act as a deflector for incoming clouds of the virus. Apparently it works like tinfoil so familiarity is a factor.

Stay well.
 
I have no respect for your opinion either. So go cringe in your safe space and suffocate in a mask.
 
10-4 said:
My complaint about the masks is they are unnecessary. They're basically a fad. I see strange people virtue signaling wearing them while they are alone driving their car. Nuts. If you or others feel they are necessary that is your opinion and you're free to wear one. I see people wearing them pulled down from their nose or even around their neck rubbing their nose or eyes. They're not even proper masks.
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As long as people feel like they are accomplishing something, who cares about actual results? In my area, there are only two places that I am aware of that require the public to use them. Menards and Costco.
 
"I enjoyed the CARS Tour late model show at Ace Speedway on Saturday... "

Might not get to enjoy any more races at Ace Speedway for a while - the Governor is shutting them down due to violating the numbers of spectators allowed during this part of the phased-in reopening. Note that this is temporary - the Governor said he would allow them to reopen if they submit a spectator plan that meets current requirements. It appears that the track owners intend to be uncooperative, but we will see...


"Meanwhile at your local short track stands are open to paying customers and masks are not always required. Some do require you to sign a waiver. "

Other short tracks, at least in this same area, have been remaining closed or are making some attempt at complying (although how well I don't know)...they've been smart enough to not flaunt their disobedience on TV (as Ace has done over the past month). Maybe more will run afoul of the Governor, maybe not... it appears that the Governor is not looking for violators but is responding to violators who publicly try to embarrass public officials.
 
10-4 said:
My complaint about the masks is they are unnecessary. They're basically a fad. I see strange people virtue signaling wearing them while they are alone driving their car. Nuts. If you or others feel they are necessary that is your opinion and you're free to wear one. I see people wearing them pulled down from their nose or even around their neck rubbing their nose or eyes. They're not even proper masks.
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Well those are nut jobs. NASCAR doesn't want negative publicity and I don't blame them, but I agree in that they should allow 40% occupancy with masks. All I know is looking at SC's number this thing is contagious as heck so I'm okay with being a little cautious. The bug doesn't mess around
 
10-4 said:
I see strange people virtue signaling wearing them while they are alone driving their car.
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Objection, your honor. The witness is making an assumption.

I don't wear one in the car myself, but I'm the only operator. But let's say multiple family members get in or drive my car. If I became infected, I could be breathing out viruses for a couple of weeks before I knew. I wouldn't want to leave them on the steering wheel, the controls, the seat, possibly spreading the disease to more vulnerable family members. Masks aren't for your own protection, they're to protect others from what you might cough up, or breath out while singing 'Sweet Caroline'.

Or I could just be forgetful. Leaving it on while driving is one way to ensure I'll have it on when I go in Wally or Grocery Kitty.
 
10-4 said:
I often wonder who actually buys scalped tickets to a Nascar race. It's not like tickets are difficult to get or very expensive.

Look I dunno how or if they are enforcing this I just know what the guy told me. We got rained out of last fall's Dega race and opted not to go the next day so got to pick tickets from any Nascar owned track this year at no extra cost + they added another 20% of value which I used to upgrade our parking. I also have the option to bump that out until next year if we don't redeem this year. I dunno if they will give me my money back because I havent asked that. I'd really rather go see a race than get a refund.
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If there are only 5,000 people allowed in and people really want to go, there will be the tickets on the secondary market unless they put stipulations on them.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Objection, your honor. The witness is making an assumption.

I don't wear one in the car myself, but I'm the only operator. But let's say multiple family members get in or drive my car. If I became infected, I could be breathing out viruses for a couple of weeks before I knew. I wouldn't want to leave them on the steering wheel, the controls, the seat, possibly spreading the disease to more vulnerable family members. Masks aren't for your own protection, they're to protect others from what you might cough up, or breath out while singing 'Sweet Caroline'.

Or I could just be forgetful. Leaving it on while driving is one way to ensure I'll have it on when I go in Wally or Grocery Kitty.
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I didnt assume anything about you. I was just thinking back to a couple of days ago I was sitting at a redlight and saw some lady go thru the intersection by herself with the windows up and her covid mask on. Bless her heart. I don't believe these homemade masks or even the real ones prevent anyone from getting germs or spreading them. Sorry but there's far too much wrong and outright fake info out there from all points of view. I don't buy the science because it's all politics these days. And also I see too many people clearly not taking proper precautions that are wearing them. I dunno how many times I have seen grown men with full beards wearing them.

But I'm tired of posting about it. Every comment is political and people say crap on the internet, myself included here sometimes, that they would never say in person. I'm tired of it and tired of people that cant live and let live. I missed a caution over this BS. It's not worth it...
 
10-4 said:
I don't buy the science because it's all politics these days.
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Sad when people turn their backs on science because of politics. Good science has nothing to do with politics - scientific results follow the laws of physics and chemistry et. al. no matter what the politicians want. Scientific reporting can be colored by politics, but with a little effort it is not terribly hard to separate political bias from true science. Bottom line: take the risk of believing politicians if you want, but the effects of science still apply whether you choose to believe it or not.
 
gone said:
Sad when people turn their backs on science because of politics. Good science has nothing to do with politics - scientific results follow the laws of physics and chemistry et. al. no matter what the politicians want. Scientific reporting can be colored by politics, but with a little effort it is not terribly hard to separate political bias from true science. Bottom line: take the risk of believing politicians if you want, but the effects of science still apply whether you choose to believe it or not.
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When I actually see this virus in my local community I might have a change of heart. As far as I can see people are out and about back to business as usual as much as they can be. Still don't know of anyone locally who has or has had this virus. As far as that goes this is something that's a problem for nursing homes and some of you who live in overcrowded cities but not where I live. The massive overreaction to it has caused a LOT of economic pain and misery over a virus that is no worse than the flu from where I'm sitting. Sorry if that goes against the science or your opinion but that is the truth. No politician or tv news channel told me that. I see it every day with my own eyes when going about my business.
 
10-4 said:
When I actually see this virus in my local community I might have a change of heart. As far as I can see people are out and about back to business as usual as much as they can be. Still don't know of anyone locally who has or has had this virus. As far as that goes this is something that's a problem for nursing homes and some of you who live in overcrowded cities but not where I live. The massive overreaction to it has caused a LOT of economic pain and misery over a virus that is no worse than the flu from where I'm sitting. Sorry if that goes against the science or your opinion but that is the truth. No politician or tv news channel told me that. I see it every day with my own eyes when going about my business.
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Hospitals around here are not seeing any surge since they opened it up and by looking around people are fed up. The facts are that they are seeing a decrease in hospitalizations. And of course the news is trying to jack things up. The Mayor is raising hell about the full bars, restaurants and casinos, but he doesn't want to go against the Gov. Average age of casualties is 75 years old. Goes along with what the doctors in Cali were saying, many deaths are classified as Covid, instead of long term other problems.
 
StandOnIt said:
Hospitals around here are not seeing any surge since they opened it up and by looking around people are fed up. The facts are that they are seeing a decrease in hospitalizations. And of course the news is trying to jack things up. The Mayor is raising hell about the full bars, restaurants and casinos, but he doesn't want to go against the Gov. Average age of casualties is 75 years old. Goes along with what the doctors in Cali were saying, many deaths are classified as Covid, instead of long term other problems.
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It’s too bad the Cup cars don’t race in Okie.

Sounds like paradise compared to the rest of the world.
 
Are there scalper tickets around?

I need to knock that off the list.
 
aunty dive said:
Are there scalper tickets around?

I need to knock that off the list.
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I believe they may still be taking new orders for 2021 now.

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Second hand tickets are pretty easy to come by for preliminary nights, somewhat harder for Saturday. But if you don't wait until the last minute, people will be selling them. Especially this year if it goes forward as planned. You can also buy a pit pass that doesn't get you a seat but lets you mill around the pits and sit in the unassigned seating.

The seating is bleachers and they really pack 'em in.
 
10-4 said:
When I actually see this virus in my local community I might have a change of heart. As far as I can see people are out and about back to business as usual as much as they can be. Still don't know of anyone locally who has or has had this virus. As far as that goes this is something that's a problem for nursing homes and some of you who live in overcrowded cities but not where I live. The massive overreaction to it has caused a LOT of economic pain and misery over a virus that is no worse than the flu from where I'm sitting. Sorry if that goes against the science or your opinion but that is the truth. No politician or tv news channel told me that. I see it every day with my own eyes when going about my business.
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This Governor's twitter thread is a breath of fresh air.
 
10-4 said:
When I actually see this virus in my local community I might have a change of heart.
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This!
First to make this NASCAR related, NASCAR sent a survey about fans returning to the races. I let them know that I felt they were being too cautious.

No one I know has had the virus. In fact I don't even know someone who knows someone that had the virus. Complete counties have been shut down for a handful or no cases. It has been nice recently going to the stores and races where no one is wearing a mask, even the employees. They posted on the door that their employees are no longer wearing them and if you are not comfortable with that, then don't come in.
 
DIDIT said:
This!
First to make this NASCAR related, NASCAR sent a survey about fans returning to the races. I let them know that I felt they were being too cautious.

No one I know has had the virus. In fact I don't even know someone who knows someone that had the virus. Complete counties have been shut down for a handful or no cases. It has been nice recently going to the stores and races where no one is wearing a mask, even the employees. They posted on the door that their employees are no longer wearing them and if you are not comfortable with that, then don't come in.
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-Yeah I did the surveys also and have been outspoken from the jump about this whole set of circumstances. I read nothing but contradictions. The hard evidence I can find about my state shows that 80% of the 350 some odd fatalities out of four million have at least one comorbidity and the average age overall of fatalities in the state counting everybody is 75 years old. Sorry I don't find Covid that super deadly dangerous unless a person already has health problems. Definitely not worth all of the pain that families and businesses have had to suffer because of what the politicians and their political science "experts" (who never lost a check) came up with out of thin air and are continuing to waffle around to this day. Distance yourself, wear a mask if you want and by all means wash your hands frequently.
 
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Hard evidence.

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This is much simpler to read..testing is shooting way up along with in parallel recoveries and down at the very bottom the fatalities and hospitalization are pretty flat. It shows that the more they test and find positives the fatality rate staying close to constant. Oklahoma has been at stage three for a week. So yeah one could report that the cases are increasing (fear). Reality is despite that hospitals aren't being flooded with new patients and cadavers aren't piling up like cord wood.

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more interesting to me is here is a state's stats that didn't shut down and bankrupt everybody and used good judgement with a graph similar to but better than Oklahoma's stats that did the shut down.

covidusa.net

South Dakota COVID-19 Statistics: 238,185 Cases / 2,915 Deaths / 0 Tests / Avg cases/day 162 grew 3.8% from 14 days ago Avg deaths/day 4 declined 20% from 14 days ago (Updated May 7, 2022 @ 11:39am)

Yesterday there were 186 new confirmed cases, 0 recoveries, 7 deaths. The current 7-day rolling average of 162 new cases/day grew 3.8% from 14 days ago, while the average of 4 deaths/day declined 20% in South Dakota, at that rate... 239,459 cases in 7 days / 240,999 cases in 14 days / 245,813...
covidusa.net covidusa.net
 
DIDIT said:
This!
First to make this NASCAR related, NASCAR sent a survey about fans returning to the races. I let them know that I felt they were being too cautious.

No one I know has had the virus. In fact I don't even know someone who knows someone that had the virus. Complete counties have been shut down for a handful or no cases. It has been nice recently going to the stores and races where no one is wearing a mask, even the employees. They posted on the door that their employees are no longer wearing them and if you are not comfortable with that, then don't come in.
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There is only one person I know personally that has had the virus and that is Bobby Bennet who owns Competition Plus drag racing news and chat forum. But that was a while back and he has fully recovered. There was a member on this forum that had it also but I don't remember who it was.
 
StandOnIt said:
This is much simpler to read..testing is shooting way up along with in parallel recoveries and down at the very bottom the fatalities and hospitalization are pretty flat. It shows that the more they test and find positives the fatality rate staying close to constant. Oklahoma has been at stage three for a week. So yeah one could report that the cases are increasing (fear). Reality is despite that hospitals aren't being flooded with new patients and cadavers aren't piling up like cord wood.

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You asked for data regarding Alabama hospitalizations.

The chart above is for Oklahoma. Again, I'm glad things are going well there and in South Dakota. The data for states on NASCAR's short-term future schedule is not encouraging.

I realize that my concerns are not shared by everyone here. I intend to continue to stick with the science irrespective of that.
 
I found this interesting. Here is a linear scale for the U.S. that is less dramatic over time than the daily news. Despite all of the hysterics and wild claims, the fatality rate has stayed the same while testing(cases) has increased


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To all of the people who say "I don't know anybody with COVID, and I don't see it around me, so I think it's overblown..."
You should thank the people who do believe, as well as the doctors and nurses who are treating it, for it not effecting you. If they did nothing, and acted as if everything was normal, you'd be in the same situation as those people in Brazil.

Reminds me of the Y2K deal. Lots of dire warnings about problems that could happen... but on 1/1/2000 very few problems actually occurred. People used that to claim that the whole deal was over-hyped... they did not acknowledge that an army of computer programmers worked a lot of hours to prevent those Y2K problems. People who did nothing to avoid the problem, and didn't know or decided to ignore those who did, made a lot of dumb noise.

I'm glad if you're not impacted, and sorry if you're inconvenienced or have lost income. But despite any personnel opinions, nature does what it does whether people deny it or not. When it comes to things out of my control, like diseases, I defer to the learned opinions of people who are trained to deal with those issues. So in this case, I'll take the opinions of medical professionals over the opinions of politicians or the general public.
 
gone said:
Reminds me of the Y2K deal. Lots of dire warnings about problems that could happen... but on 1/1/2000 very few problems actually occurred. People used that to claim that the whole deal was over-hyped... they did not acknowledge that an army of computer programmers worked a lot of hours to prevent those Y2K problems. People who did nothing to avoid the problem, and didn't know or decided to ignore those who did, made a lot of dumb noise.
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Was there, did that. Preach it, brother.
 
I believe you should be wearing a mask and maintaining social distancing. And according to most things I read a mask is much more important to stop an infected person from spreading it than it is a non-infective person from catching it.

But I really can’t blame people for having doubts after a couple months of data being all over the map, a governor shoving infected people into nursing homes just to avoid putting them in a navy hospital ship or a converted sports arena cause it might not work well politically.....BUT MOST OF ALL after a couple weeks of everything being thrown out the window because white people are supposedly worse than the virus.

You can’t preach ‘science’ if you’re going to ignore it for political purposes.
 
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