NASCAR to reward regular season champ

Didn't NBC originally push for the chase, then the next season walk away from the negotiating table when the tv contract was up? Now they are dealing with ratings lower than the prechase era. Sort of comical in a way.

My solution is just give the chase winner 50 bonus points and half of the 1st place prize money, if they are not also the season points champion. Or scrap this crap all together.
 
I think the championship should be determined at Homestead by bringing out a piece of merchandise and seeing which one of the four drivers can come closest to the actual retail price without overbidding. Whoever does wins the championship.
 
it really was changed because jimmie johnson owned dover ,atlanta, and martinsville
 
As I recall in the pre-Chase days the points leaders were mostly protecting their positions for the last 2 months of the season.

I only recall one very exciting last race in the pre-Chase era where Davey Allison pretty much had it wrapped up when he got caught in a wreck; Bill Elliot and Alan Kulwicki had an exciting finish. Otherwise the championships were pretty much decided weeks before the end of the season.

I enjoyed the pre-chase racing but the championships weren't very competitive. And I'm enjoying the win and in with the playoff system. Basically I like to watch the races. I don't like the announcers constantly harping on the playoff ramifications (all sports do that) - they forgot what they talked about before the playoffs.
 
ToyYoda said:
I think the championship should be determined at Homestead by bringing out a piece of merchandise and seeing which one of the four drivers can come closest to the actual retail price without overbidding. Whoever does wins the championship.
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Ok , it is a bit more than ice cream , but I see where you are headed . Make it a little more meaningful , right on.
 
ted@economy said:
Ok , it is a bit more than ice cream , but I see where you are headed . Make it a little more meaningful , right on.
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I figure the bidding order will be determined by points finish. Whoever has the most points bids last. That way Kevin Harvick can bid $1 more than Kyle Busch if he needs to in order to secure the Cup.
 
ToyYoda said:
I figure the bidding order will be determined by points finish. Whoever has the most points bids last. That way Kevin Harvick can bid $1 more than Kyle Busch if he needs to in order to secure the Cup.
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An element of risk in the possibility of going over . I like it . Just the thing to keep viewers glued to their TV's .
 
ReturnTrip said:
Funny, Harvick's 2015 year was vastly better than 2014...but I guess you don't have a problem with the joke champion that year.
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Think my point is that I haven't had a problem with either of the champions under the current format....You better go. Mom is ready to tuck you in. Happy Meal settle okay?
 
Revman said:
Think my point is that I haven't had a problem with either of the champions under the current format....You better go. Mom is ready to tuck you in. Happy Meal settle okay?
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The current format is the problem........ that's the key word..... under the current format the Championship ain't worth the paper it's written on... it's all just a farce. But...... it must be great because Brian thought of it and the viewership and attendance totals are sky rocketing....
 
kymartin6 said:
The current format is the problem........ that's the key word..... under the current format the Championship ain't worth the paper it's written on... it's all just a farce. But...... it must be great because Brian thought of it and the viewership and attendance totals are sky rocketing....
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A farce like the current qualifying system . Bowman fans can be happy for the guy having the fastest speed in qualifying , but that doesn't get you a pole today .
 
ted@economy said:
A farce like the current qualifying system . Bowman fans can be happy for the guy having the fastest speed in qualifying , but that doesn't get you a pole today .
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Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!


The old point system wasn't broken...... just needed a little revamping..... the old qualifying system.... didn't need a thing changed...... wasn't anything wrong with it except for a brain fart by Brian.... (who knows not 1 single thing about Nascar , the fans, marketing.... or where his cushey life came from)........... His granddaddy would kick his ass up one side and down the other for turning this into a Vince McMann wrestling spectacle....
 
You give Brian credit for the dumb ass moves he has made over the last 10 years but just maybe those moves were made by someone else and they just sobered him up to make the announcements.

I think you give him to much credit.
 
Team Penske said:
You give Brian credit for the dumb ass moves he has made over the last 10 years but just maybe those moves were made by someone else and they just sobered him up to make the announcements.

I think you give him to much credit.
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You are more than likely right....... Mike Helton and Robin Pemberton had a hand in this.... Robin had enough sense to leave a sinking ship before he was accused of being negligent...... but......as Harry Truman once said......... the buck stops with Brian......
 
kymartin6 said:
You are more than likely right....... Mike Helton and Robin Pemberton had a hand in this.... Robin had enough sense to leave a sinking ship before he was accused of being negligent...... but......as Harry Truman once said......... the buck stops with Brian......
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The guy Pemberton replaced was the biggest trouble maker in my opinion and he is still there.
 
If I could remember his name i would have said it. He was always with Helton,
ugly SOB.
 
Most people give credit to CEO BF for all the problems in Nascar but I am sure a great portion of that goes to Helton.

Mike Helton. Michael "Mike" Helton (born c. 1953) is the vice chairman of the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing (NASCAR). He replaced Bill France, Jr. in November 2000 as the company's 3rd president. He was named Chief Operating Officer of NASCAR in February 1999.
 
France, Helton,Pemberton , they all have the same fault as your local municiple officials . They ask for studies and advice from outside sources then , instead of relying on their own common sense , they act on the recommendations.. It's just easier .
 
kymartin6 said:
The current format is the problem........ that's the key word..... under the current format the Championship ain't worth the paper it's written on... it's all just a farce. But...... it must be great because Brian thought of it and the viewership and attendance totals are sky rocketing....
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So, the bitch is that Kyle didn't deserve the championship in '15. I am done laughing at that argument. So, let's talk '14. You think Harvick was an undeserving champion? My timing and scoring must have been different from yours. The championship should reward the best driver/team of that year. I don't care what the format is as long as it does what it is supposed to do. Sure did in '14, and IMO '15 as well....but, you know, '15, I'm a fanboi, so this is to be expected. People **** themselves over this format, but really, it has done what it was supposed to do so far, and I betcha it does it again next year. Can't wait for the next race in the farce this weekend.
 
joe h said:
Didn't NBC originally push for the chase, then the next season walk away from the negotiating table when the tv contract was up? Now they are dealing with ratings lower than the prechase era. Sort of comical in a way.

My solution is just give the chase winner 50 bonus points and half of the 1st place prize money, if they are not also the season points champion. Or scrap this crap all together.
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From what I've been made to understand, NBC, not NASCAR, was actually the primary driving force behind the new elimination style Chase.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The 2007 Patriots faced the Jacksonville Jaguars in the AFC Divisional. :p

Thing in football, and every other sport with a playoff system is, regular season standings still mean a lot. If you go 16-0, you're going to get a first round bye and home field advantage through the playoffs.

I think the equivalent in NASCAR would be giving four drivers a first round bye and two of those four some sort of points advantage in the second round.
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I like the first round bye
 
Revman said:
So, the bitch is that Kyle didn't deserve the championship in '15. I am done laughing at that argument. So, let's talk '14. You think Harvick was an undeserving champion? My timing and scoring must have been different from yours. The championship should reward the best driver/team of that year. I don't care what the format is as long as it does what it is supposed to do. Sure did in '14, and IMO '15 as well....but, you know, '15, I'm a fanboi, so this is to be expected. People sh!t themselves over this format, but really, it has done what it was supposed to do so far, and I betcha it does it again next year. Can't wait for the next race in the farce this weekend.
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Kevin Harvick would've won in either 2014 or 2015. Take your pick.

Although I know many on this forum still think Jeff Gordon deserved the championship in 2014 (he did) and Kyle Busch deserved it last year (he didn't).
 
Back to 32-33 races a season.
Winston Cup style points.
1-40 points system is fine.
I think there should be a little extra emphasis on winning, 5 bonus points instead of 3. 47 points maximum instead of 45.
 
Mark Martin wasn't the 1990 champion.

Neither was Dale Earnhardt.

It was actually Morgan Shepherd, who won the season finale in a clutch Game 7 moment. Which makes him the true champion, because the last race is more important than the others! :rolleyes:
 
2 Sweet said:
Mark Martin wasn't the 1990 champion.

Neither was Dale Earnhardt.

It was actually Morgan Shepherd, who won the season finale in a clutch Game 7 moment. Which makes him the true champion, because the last race is more important than the others! :rolleyes:
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But we all know Gordon won the championship in 2001. Robby, that is.
 
Waltrip was the most popular in '90. When it goes to being fan vote based they'll change the record book.

Maybe Earnhardt will get an asterisk and Martin will get two.
 
Revman said:
So, the bitch is that Kyle didn't deserve the championship in '15. I am done laughing at that argument. So, let's talk '14. You think Harvick was an undeserving champion? My timing and scoring must have been different from yours. The championship should reward the best driver/team of that year. I don't care what the format is as long as it does what it is supposed to do. Sure did in '14, and IMO '15 as well....but, you know, '15, I'm a fanboi, so this is to be expected. People sh!t themselves over this format, but really, it has done what it was supposed to do so far, and I betcha it does it again next year. Can't wait for the next race in the farce this weekend.
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So....... you think I am bitching about Kyle...... no........ I am bitching about the system that is set up to crown a Champion in the last race by simply finishing ahead of 3 other drivers.... Kyle is YOUR problem.....
 
kymartin6 said:
So....... you think I am bitching about Kyle...... no........ I am bitching about the system that is set up to crown a Champion in the last race by simply finishing ahead of 3 other drivers.... Kyle is YOUR problem.....
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That 's what is really funny . In the end , it isn't about winning races at all . The champion can be the 35th place driver as long as the other three finish behind him. Talk about points racing.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Kevin Harvick would've won in either 2014 or 2015. Take your pick.
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I agree. Kevin would have won in 2015, but he couldn't beat Kyle. About 38 other guys had the same problem.


ted@economy said:
That 's what is really funny . In the end , it isn't about winning races at all . The champion can be the 35th place driver as long as the other three finish behind him. Talk about points racing.
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Yeah, well, the old system was kind of the same thing in the last 10 races some years wasn't it?

kymartin6 said:
So....... you think I am bitching about Kyle...... no........ I am bitching about the system that is set up to crown a Champion in the last race by simply finishing ahead of 3 other drivers.... Kyle is YOUR problem.....
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I wasn't thinking about you at all. Sorry. I love my problem.
 
As a probable Larson fanboi(don't worry TRD fanbois you're not alone), the fact that if he wasn't doomed by bs last weekend, he could have gone on to win the championship.... Shows that the chase is ridiculous. That team was nowhere close but they have so much speed that they can spoil the whole show.


Gordon should have taken it in atleast 07' and 14'. The 15' season is the only year the chase ever benefited that team.
 
Team Penske said:
Most people give credit to CEO BF for all the problems in Nascar but I am sure a great portion of that goes to Helton.

Mike Helton. Michael "Mike" Helton (born c. 1953) is the vice chairman of the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing (NASCAR). He replaced Bill France, Jr. in November 2000 as the company's 3rd president. He was named Chief Operating Officer of NASCAR in February 1999.
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I don't know what Mike Helton's vice is, so I don't know how to condemn him.
 
DUN24 said:
As a probable Larson fanboi(don't worry TRD fanbois you're not alone), the fact that if he wasn't doomed by bs last weekend, he could have gone on to win the championship.... Shows that the chase is ridiculous. That team was nowhere close but they have so much speed that they can spoil the whole show.
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Could you please explain to me how the hell this shows that the Chase is ridiculous? He didn't freakin' win. He won't win the Championship. The system has proven you right. Am I missing something?
 
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