Nationwide at Darlington

I get what your saying but again, there is drivers who already have nationwide rides where these cup guys would come in and take them.. It's not a good busniess pratice. Kyle Busch is assigned a number of races in the #54. As much as I think cup drivers shouldn't be in the series, at least the cup drivers aren't just swooping in taking rides whenever they feel like it.
Yes they are and "they" are called KyBu.
 
yes sir it is. AND the boss not the driver chooses who they will offer the deal to..some just can't grasp that concept.o_O
Most of the time its worked out in the contract who can and cannot moonlight "KyBu last year was limited by JG" and the drivers do change races and schedules as the season goes on and who decides when swooping in and taking rides count, before the season during the season, when, its all swooping in taking rides and purses away from the second tier series and some have trouble grasping that simple concept.
 
yes sir it is. AND the boss not the driver chooses who they will offer the deal to..some just can't grasp that concept.o_O

There's nothing wrong with anyone's grasping of concept...not everyone agrees on many of these subjects and surely that's a concept we can all grasp.
 
There's nothing wrong with anyone's grasping of concept...not everyone agrees on many of these subjects and surely that's a concept we can all grasp.
Surely you jest, after all this is RFs.
 
Opinion or tarot cards?
Fact....just watch how he acts. He struts around like a little rooster in front of the Nationwide drivers. Jeff didn't have to prove himself that way. That's why Kyle will never be a champion no matter how much DW and DJ talk him up. The odds are against him. JMHO
 
Fact....just watch how he acts. He struts around like a little rooster in front of the Nationwide drivers. Jeff didn't have to prove himself that way. That's why Kyle will never be a champion no matter how much DW and DJ talk him up. The odds are against him. JMHO
I do like your avatar even though I don't know who it represents if anybody. It just hit me mirabilia, means miracles. :D
 
Fact....just watch how he acts. He struts around like a little rooster in front of the Nationwide drivers. Jeff didn't have to prove himself that way. That's why Kyle will never be a champion no matter how much DW and DJ talk him up. The odds are against him. JMHO
Maybe you should Tweet Kyle with your concerns ;) He'll probably laugh at you like I am :D
 
Here's one thing I know for sure: If someone said to me "Take this JGR car and run the Nationwide Series at Darlington tonight", I'd do it for free. If I had the opportunity to do it and make $45,000? Well that's no-brainer.
Maybe Kyle runs the Nationwide Series because it's fun and because he can.
Certainly, no of us would if given the chance :rolleyes:
 
I wonder what would take place if say 36 cup drivers where to regularly start running NNS races? I don't believe that there's anything stopping them from attempting to qualify.

Now that would be a darn good reason not to do away with the top 35 in owner points rule . Oh ..:oops: but we want the fastest cars to get into the field , I forgot.
 
Now that would be a darn good reason not to do away with the top 35 in owner points rule . Oh ..:oops: but we want the fastest cars to get into the field , I forgot.

Do you care to at least answer the question?

JGR, Penske, RCR, Hendrick, Roush and Petty are all well within the top 35 :oops:
 
Do you care to at least answer the question?

JGR, Penske, RCR, Hendrick, Roush and Petty are all well within the top 35 :oops:
I forgot the owners are still accumulating owners points but not driver points ....close to being a good point:(
 
So far this year the Gibbs Toyota nationwide series has been very boring with the exception of the plate tracks. I used to enjoy this series alot more and I am quickly losing interest.
 
So far this year the Gibbs Toyota nationwide series has been very boring with the exception of the plate tracks. I used to enjoy this series alot more and I am quickly losing interest.

Welcome to the forum Obrien , interesting thoughts . I'm quite old and find there is a lot more to racing than who won .If I got upset every time my driver didn't win ,I'd a been dead of heart failure many years ago. Hope you can find some way to enjoy the racing.
 
It would be more enjoyable with more competitive teams. It's old quickly with the same Gibbs cars always winning and leading lap after lap. I have been wondering and possibly someone here can tell me the answer, when toyota came in to NASCAR they were able to design a new engine to race with. Now I know in cup that all the manufacturers came out with a new design for their engines but I never heard wether or not the nationwide teams were able to do the same. If not that would explain some of the performance differences. Either that odd the Gibbs boys are doing a good job cheating and not getting caught
 
All I know is that Regan Smith is putting a whoopin on em. 28 points ahead and driving for Jr. Motorsports. glad to see that dude having success.
 
It would be more enjoyable with more competitive teams. It's old quickly with the same Gibbs cars always winning and leading lap after lap. I have been wondering and possibly someone here can tell me the answer, when toyota came in to NASCAR they were able to design a new engine to race with. Now I know in cup that all the manufacturers came out with a new design for their engines but I never heard wether or not the nationwide teams were able to do the same. If not that would explain some of the performance differences. Either that odd the Gibbs boys are doing a good job cheating and not getting caught
NASCAR randomly tests engines from various teams/manufacturers and compares HP, torque, etc. and makes necessary changes to ensure that no specific team/manufacturer has an unfair advantage.
Joe Gibbs has the gift of gathering and assembling the correct personnel for the purpose of achieving success. He did it in the NFL and he's doing it now in NASCAR.
 
I just don't see what Kyle or any Cup guy for that matter get out of winning Nationwide races. The pay is nothing compared to the Cup series so that can't be it. It's like if LeBron James played high school basketball teams. It has to be just to keep the sponsors happy.

Some guys just absolutely love to race. Kyle is one of those. He races the all over the place.

And using the Lebron vs High School argument is just beyond ridiculous.

Bottom line, Kyle and Cup regulars are running lots of Nationwide races. Get over it or don't watch.
 
I am happy to see that regan smith is in the points lead. It's only possible because the cup guys can't earn points in nationwide. I hate to say it but there is more to the performance of the Gibbs cars than personel
 
Some guys just absolutely love to race. Kyle is one of those. He races the all over the place.

And using the Lebron vs High School argument is just beyond ridiculous.

Bottom line, Kyle and Cup regulars are running lots of Nationwide races. Get over it or don't watch.

Take the money out of the equation and they won't be running Nationwide. Like I said earlier, there's a reason you don't see them running ARCA.

Kyle only runs prestigious Late Model races and, usually when he does win, there's a nice little payday attached to those as well.
 
I guess Tony Stewart, Clint Boyer, Kevin Harvick, Kasey Kahne, Kyle Larson and many more, Schrader, Wallace, racing at dirt tracks for next to nothing doesn't count. They furnish their own cars teams etc, fly to wherever and race...for the fun of it. So knowing that, if they wanted to run Nationwide, it ain't about the money. They want to race a dirt car..guess what Andy? they want to race for the heck of it, they lose money doing it.
 
Plus they get more seat time...

If it was just about seat time, you'd see an overabundance of Cup drivers running some of the ARCA races. Seat time is just an added bonus.

Also - a lot of times, when drivers like Tony Stewart show up to a race at other tracks, they're usually getting a nice little check from the track to show up. There are plenty of tracks in the country that get good fan counts and don't need gimmicks to get fans to show up.

As far as Nationwide goes, the overabundance of Cup drivers has taken away from the series. The past few years, the Nationwide Series was starting to establish it's identity then Kyle needed to come back down to re-inflate his ego.
 
oh my, what a fairy tale, how about this. Monster energy goes to Gibbs. They say something like we would like to also sponsor a nationwide car and we would like Kyle Bush driving(this is the way it has been done for years). Joe says ok I will see if Kyle is interested. Kyle probably has a really good lawyer or an agent who they talk to about the package, the number of races he has to commit to, % of prize money etc. Kyle says ok I will do it. Kyle has agreed to run 25 races in Nationwide because it was offered, was a better deal that running his own stuff which, BTW he got a driver for. Now which tale makes the most sense?
 
oh my, what a fairy tale, how about this. Monster energy goes to Gibbs. They say something like we would like to also sponsor a nationwide car and we would like Kyle Bush driving(this is the way it has been done for years). Joe says ok I will see if Kyle is interested. Kyle probably has a really good lawyer or an agent who they talk to about the package, the number of races he has to commit to, % of prize money etc. Kyle says ok I will do it. Kyle has agreed to run 25 races in Nationwide because it was offered, was a better deal that running his own stuff which, BTW he got a driver for. Now which tale makes the most sense?
Nope, no conjecture, guesswork , speculation, assumption, guesstimate, fancy, hunch, hypothesis, inference, notion, presumption, shot in the dark, supposition, surmise, in that statement, nosiree nothing but truth as it is. Do I really need to put this here, oh hell yeah somebody will take it seriously if I don't. :sarcasm:
 
If it was just about seat time, you'd see an overabundance of Cup drivers running some of the ARCA races. Seat time is just an added bonus.

Also - a lot of times, when drivers like Tony Stewart show up to a race at other tracks, they're usually getting a nice little check from the track to show up. There are plenty of tracks in the country that get good fan counts and don't need gimmicks to get fans to show up.

As far as Nationwide goes, the overabundance of Cup drivers has taken away from the series. The past few years, the Nationwide Series was starting to establish it's identity then Kyle needed to come back down to re-inflate his ego.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree.
 
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