Nationwide Daytona

I'll watch the videos later, I saw the replays on TV and I may be wrong which I'm always willing to admit.

Those gates are really trouble though, the worse wrecks I've ever seen both involved drivers running into a gate at high speed.
 
FenderBumper said:
OMG. I'm done with you if you can't admit you were wrong after watching that video that shows NO TIRE GOING OVER THE FENCE, as you insisted it did. :rolleyes:
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Jesus H. Christ in a side car. Watch Live tv on SPEED now and see the ESPN footage from yesterday. That big round thing flying OVER the fence was not a turd. But, I concede. You are correct, and I am wrong. For that, I apoligize, and hope you can forgive me. Now I have to make pasta salad, and bake a cake. A cake that looks like a tire, that I can throw OVER my neighbors fence. Look for it on YOUTUBE. Can't miss it . I t's the video of a Tire shaped cake flying OVER a fence.
One more thing, ''Trouble, turn 2. A tire came loose and flew over the wall". It could happen.....
 
Jeffrey00 said:
FB is right. You see one tire go up into the upper deck and the other about 8 rows up. Both through the hole not over the fence.
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I don't think that second object that travels higher is a wheel, but if it is it clearly goes thru and not over the fence.

I think one wheel never flew anywhere. It got crushed against the fence poles and layed on the ground near where the gate used to be. the other wheel goes thru the fence and hits some fans in row 5 and keeps going up into the crowd. We all saw the video shwing where it stopped, but does anyone really think it hit one guy and came to a dead stop right there? No, it bounced up the stands and injured a bunch of people.
 
I think a big part of the solution is to seperate those cables from the chainlink and set the chainlink back 1 to 2 feet to protect it from being peeled away as a car slides down the cable.
 
FenderBumper said:
That 1999 article says they were exploring the use of wheel tethers, unless I'm missing the part where they say they do use them.
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Derrick Cope is pictured above the article holding a wheel tether cable which teams installed for the CocaCola 600. NASCAR didn't want to take any chances, particularly after the tragedy at the IRL event at Lowe's Motor Speedway. Since the end of May, NASCAR officials have been testing a system to secure wheels to cars, in order to prevent the wheels from injuring fans in the grandstands in the event of an accident. And the testing has yielded good results. The wheel restraint system became mandatory in Winston Cup soon after at Sears Point (Calif.) Raceway. CART and the IRL made similar systems mandatory after the IRL tragedy.
``We've been using them [wheel tethers) since they first handed them out in Charlotte [in mid-May),'' said Greg Zipadelli, Tony Stewart's crew chief. ``I thought, if they offered it to us and we didn't use them, then something bad would have happened, then that would have made us look like the fool. If it keeps the fans safer, then shame on me if I don't take advantage of it.''
 
Protecting the fans has evolved over the years. It takes real world events like yesterday's accident to identify areas of improvement, whether it is the fence design or changes in the car. I'm confident that NASCAR will review what happened and act on what they learn.

I got the impression that first responders and fans attended the injured quickly from what one of the TV commentators said.
 
Zerkfitting said:
Protecting the fans has evolved over the years. It takes real world events like yesterday's accident to identify areas of improvement, whether it is the fence design or changes in the car. I'm confident that NASCAR will review what happened and act on what they learn.

I got the impression that first responders and fans attended the injured quickly from what one of the TV commentators said.
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Yeah...cetainly room for improvement - but the catch fense saved a good many lives yesterday.

I think the guy who took off his tee shirt in the video probably used it to try and stop bleeding from an injured fan - maybe using it to make a tourniquet (educated guess). Oftentimes the true first responders are just the people close by...good to see somebody taking action...
 
Tony1930 said:
Yeah...cetainly room for improvement - but the catch fense saved a good many lives yesterday.

I think the guy who took off his tee shirt in the video probably used it to try and stop bleeding from an injured fan - maybe using it to make a tourniquet (educated guess). Oftentimes the true first responders are just the people close by...good to see somebody taking action...
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I was impressed by the fans helping each other out, goes to show how much NASCAR fans care for one another. I've had strangers offer me beer and something to eat at every race I've ever gone to (excluding the beer when I was a kid of course).
 
I think someone posted earlier to put in 2 catchfences. Sounds like a good idea to me with a 1 inch thick piece of lexan inbetween. I am not an engineer so lexan may not be a good idea if it were to shatter.
I do think those cross over gates should be elminated, It sure appeared to have an effect on that car.
 
racer8 said:
I think someone posted earlier to put in 2 catchfences. Sounds like a good idea to me with a 1 inch thick piece of lexan inbetween. I am not an engineer so lexan may not be a good idea if it were to shatter.
I do think those cross over gates should be elminated, It sure appeared to have an effect on that car.
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They are unavoidable at some tracks but Daytona could probably build another tunnel I'm sure. I think the main problem is the placement. If you're going to have them put them somewhere safe;

- Where there aren't any fan sitting on the other side
- Not at the exit/entrance to turns.

Even on a low speed track they can be a huge issue if a driver hits them head on.
 
It seems like they need a real "risk management specialist" to look over these tracks with an eye for any weak points - no matter how small. It reminds me of when Mark Martin got his car impaled last year and was about 4 feet away from getting hurt very bad (or killed). Being 98% safe is usually fine...but if you spin that wheel enough times that 2% will bite you - just ask the casinos why they put the green space on the roullette wheel.
 
FenderBumper said:
So what? That doesn't help the people left unprotected after the fence did that part of it's job. This is EXACTLY how people got injured at Talladega during the Edwards crash. The support cables in the chainlink stopped the car, but the chainlink peeled back and exposed people to flying debris. Perhaps the solution is as simple as seperating the chanlink from the cables and setting them 2 feet behind them. That way, the cables stop the big stuff and protect the chainlink so it can stop most of the small stuff.
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It's a fence. Fence has holes. There will always be little pieces of debris that fly through the fence. Granted, a tire made it through, but even if it hadn't and the fence stayed intact, you would still have flying debris. Maybe they should just start racing in iron made tunnels?
 
Maybe because Nascar offered settlements prior to court action? They don't want the bad publicity.
 
I think Nascar will do whatever their lawyers and public relations recommend them to do.
 
By the time the law firm of Wee, Screwem, & Howe get done Brians divorce is going to look like pocket change.
 
FenderBumper said:
I think a big part of the solution is to seperate those cables from the chainlink and set the chainlink back 1 to 2 feet to protect it from being peeled away as a car slides down the cable.
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I think NASCAR when building this fence 3 years ago should have consulted with the company that provides the chain link fencing. The team that consulted for this fence build didn't think about the fence itself acting like a cheese grader that creates small missile like objects that are like shrapnel from a grenade heading for a heard of NASCAR fans seated at an angle that makes head neck and shoulder shots look like it was made for that job in the first place. I'm no genius but I could design a fence that the car slides off.

NASCAR should be held accountable. They considered this fence safe just 3 years ago after fans got hurt at DEGA. This should be what everybody is talking about. NOT "the fence did it's job". That's nothing but 'save my ass' BS blathering.

If NASCAR isn't able or willing to look at a new fence, (my way or FBs) that doesn't act the way it currently does, maybe I don't need to take my family to a race. And I guarantee there are other people who think this way.
 
MOEJOE said:
I think NASCAR when building this fence 3 years ago should have consulted with the company that provides the chain link fencing. The team that consulted for this fence build didn't think about the fence itself acting like a cheese grader that creates small missile like objects that are like shrapnel from a grenade heading for a heard of NASCAR fans seated at an angle that makes head neck and shoulder shots look like it was made for that job in the first place. I'm no genius but I could design a fence that the car slides off.

NASCAR should be held accountable. They considered this fence safe just 3 years ago after fans got hurt at DEGA. This should be what everybody is talking about. NOT "the fence did it's job". That's nothing but 'save my ass' BS blathering.

If NASCAR isn't able or willing to look at a new fence, (my way or FBs) that doesn't act the way it currently does, maybe I don't need to take my family to a race. And I guarantee there are other people who think this way.
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Intertwining heavy cables used to stop heavy objects with chainlink used to stop light objects was plain dumb.

By the engineering firm, just to avoid any chaffed asses around here. I think the firm hired to design the fence did a poor job.
 
Two fans injured in Daytona crash released from hospital: Two fans injured in the crash at Daytona International Speedway Saturday were released from Halifax Health on Tuesday, leaving five remaining from the more than 30 fans that were injured from flying debris in the Nationwide Series crash. Hospital spokesman Byron Cogdell said five patients injured in the crash remain in the hospital and are still being treated for injuries related to the incident. The patients have been stable since Monday.

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Talk about a dumb move, on the caution before the last caution with 2 or 3 laps to go, three Gibbs cars all go to the pits for tires? Go out around 18th place with two laps to go? How well did that work for them?
No. 11 - Elliott Sadler - 15th
No. 18 - Matt Kenseth - 16th
No. 20 - Brian Vickers - 19th
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Two fans injured in Daytona crash released from hospital: Two fans injured in the crash at Daytona International Speedway Saturday were released from Halifax Health on Tuesday, leaving five remaining from the more than 30 fans that were injured from flying debris in the Nationwide Series crash. Hospital spokesman Byron Cogdell said five patients injured in the crash remain in the hospital and are still being treated for injuries related to the incident. The patients have been stable since Monday.

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Working in healthcare for many years the term "stable" has always caused me to chuckle. Dead people in a graveyard are "stable".

I am glad to hear these people are healing.
 
Smoke14 said:
Working in healthcare for many years the term "stable" has always caused me to chuckle. Dead people in a graveyard are "stable".

I am glad to hear these people are healing.
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Good point. I thought 'stable' meant they were paying their bills and not flying out a window.
 
Gearing up. I would have thought that they already had enough lawyers to handle this? Maybe the though is that if you throw some more into this you can drag it out a lot longer? Who knows?

NASCAR retains law firm for Daytona crash

NASCAR and International Speedway Corporation have retained a Miami-based law firm to handle claims from fans injured in a Feb. 23 Nationwide Series crash. At least 28 fans were injured when Kyle Larson's car went airborne into the catch fence, sending debris flying into the front stretch stands on the last lap of the race. NASCAR is conducting an investigation to see if the catch fence did its job, focusing on the area around a crossover gate where the engine of Larson's car ripped through. Orlando, Fla., based attorney Matt Morgan told ESPN.com a fourth client recently retained him to seek compensation for burns suffered as a result of the crash. Morgan said he is working "diligently" with NASCAR and ISC legal representation -- Cole, Scott & Kissane, Pa. -- to settle the issue without going to trial. Meanwhile, the two most seriously injured fans remain at Halifax Health in stable condition, according to a hospital spokesperson.

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