NBC taking over second half of 2014? Consider the source, either one of them.

PeopleAreStrange said:
I don't remember how NBC was or know how it will be, but of the current 3 broadcasters, I have the fewest complaints about ESPN.

I'm not celebrating their departure like y'all seem to be.
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I'm celebrating NBC's return and TNT's departure more than anything. However, as good as ESPN's race coverage is, they are not committed to the sport and never will be.
 
info article by... another left turn's mike roush mon. ----behind espn tv coverage at dover.

hate nbc....msnbc .....on politics. but figure nbcsn will be best nascar/motorsports network by 2016......
........maybe sooner.

why ? .........it's tha best hoss they got in tha barn !
plus.....they'll cross promote their other racin series.
 
hawg dawg said:
info article by... another left turn's mike roush mon. ----behind espn tv coverage at dover.

hate nbc....msnbc .....on politics. but figure nbcsn will be best nascar/motorsports network by 2016......
........maybe sooner.

why ? .........it's tha best hoss they got in tha barn !
plus.....they'll cross promote their other racin series.
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Agree 100% with this. VS was built around hockey and that's what NBCSN inherited - a hockey channel. When NBCSN gets NASCAR, it's their top dog.
 
For one day a week. As much as the NHL gets flak, they're not even on NBCSN on the weekend. They have their 2 or 3 games a week and alot of playoff games. They have a pre show and post show. that's it. The rest is talking head shows. They needed more weekend content. Nascar and F1 provide that. Since they'd get the second half of Nascar, there won't be much conflict with the NHL at all.
 
Lazyking said:
For one day a week. As much as the NHL gets flak, they're not even on NBCSN on the weekend. They have their 2 or 3 games a week and alot of playoff games. They have a pre show and post show. that's it. The rest is talking head shows. They needed more weekend content. Nascar and F1 provide that. Since they'd get the second half of Nascar, there won't be much conflict with the NHL at all.
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There won't be any conflict. NASCAR rules the roost. An average NASCAR race gets as many viewers as the Stanley Cup Final. Regular season game ratings are a joke. And that shows how bad NBCSN is. NBCSN's primary focus will be motorsports. That's their ticket.
 
So? Like I said, their will be no conflict because Nascar won't be on a day that Hockey is with NBCSN. I understand ratings fine, but the two will coexist just fine.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Agree 100% with this. VS was built around hockey and that's what NBCSN inherited - a hockey channel. When NBCSN gets NASCAR, it's their top dog.
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Racing in general seems to be a top priority to them. I know I've been doing my part for their ratings. I'm waiting for them to pony up and start a racing-exclusive channel. The void is there.
 
DUN24 said:
Racing in general seems to be a top priority to them. I know I've been doing my part for their ratings. I'm waiting for them to pony up and start a racing-exclusive channel. The void is there.
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I think it's on the way myself. Golf Channel has no rights to PGA anymore. I can't imagine NBC Sports keeping that channel on the air if they have nothing to show. But come 2015 (or sooner), they'll already have NASCAR, ARCA, IndyCar and F1.

NBC Sports Network = NBC Motorsports Channel
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I think it's on the way myself. Golf Channel has no rights to PGA anymore. I can't imagine NBC Sports keeping that channel on the air if they have nothing to show. But come 2015 (or sooner), they'll already have NASCAR, ARCA, IndyCar and F1.

NBC Sports Network = NBC Motorsports Channel
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Golf Channel = NBCSN2?
 
Statement from Steve Herbst, NASCAR Vice President of Broadcasting and Production

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (Oct. 5, 2013) – “Despite speculation over the last month that NASCAR’s new television agreement could be pushed up to the start of the 2014 season, NASCAR has informed our broadcast partners today that FOX, Turner and ESPN will finish the current term as originally planned. While we were humbled by the desire of NBC and FOX to start 12 months early, we now consider this matter closed and look forward to finishing our current agreement in 2014 with our great partners at FOX, Turner and ESPN.”
 
I still don't get the idea that ESPN is bad for NASCAR. Every single Nationwide race that I wanted to watch was on television. When they move to NBC every single race will be on television. I don't see a lot of difference here.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I still don't get the idea that ESPN is bad for NASCAR. Every single Nationwide race that I wanted to watch was on television. When they move to NBC every single race will be on television. I don't see a lot of difference here.
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There is no difference. They all have commercials and sometime annoying announcers. All the viewer can do is choose not be a viewer and allow others to make their own choice as well.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I still don't get the idea that ESPN is bad for NASCAR. Every single Nationwide race that I wanted to watch was on television.
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Not for all though. I think there is a possibility of more races being moved to ESPNews next year. They put two on there this year and that's before they were officially leaving, and they've made it clear they didn't want any NASCAR next year. ESPNews is in aout 75 million homes compared to about 99 million for ESPN/ESPN2. FS1 and NBCSN are both available in more homes.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Not for all though. I think there is a possibility of more races being moved to ESPNews next year. They put two on there this year and that's before they were officially leaving, and they've made it clear they didn't want any NASCAR next year. ESPNews is in aout 75 million homes compared to about 99 million for ESPN/ESPN2. FS1 and NBCSN are both available in more homes.
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Where do the numbers come from? I'd like to read more about that.
 
DUN24 said:
Racing in general seems to be a top priority to them. I know I've been doing my part for their ratings. I'm waiting for them to pony up and start a racing-exclusive channel. The void is there.
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Who is going to do the races? Color commentator, anchor?
 
@mikemulhern
KC: wonder if 2014 TV options for NNS are still on the table? hearing fox is being pushed to take all NNS/2014.
 
thinkin nbcsn only 75-80 now......but plan ta build out ta espn level by 2015 ?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I still don't get the idea that ESPN is bad for NASCAR. Every single Nationwide race that I wanted to watch was on television. When they move to NBC every single race will be on television. I don't see a lot of difference here.
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Not all of them. ESPN moved one of the races to ESPNCL - a network they asked the cable companies to drop (or move to a premium package) to make room for ESPNU (a college football channel).

They don't want to be here next year. I don't think NASCAR will be a priority. This is gonna look like 2007 when races were being pre-empted, moved or not shown altogether in parts to make room for college softball, women's tennis, college lacrosse, little league baseball and poker.
 
hawg dawg said:
thinkin nbcsn only 75-80 now......but plan ta build out ta espn level by 2015 ?
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NBCSN is in 80 million homes and growing. I know a lot of people, in NASCAR's "prime market" that don't get NBCSN. I know a handful of people who don't get FS1 either. They also don't get ESPNews or ESPNCL.

However, I can't envision a scenario where NBCSN isn't in more than 90 million homes by July 2015.
 
The ESPNCL move for one race was egregious and done entirely out of spite. I don't even get that channel on DirecTV. If you don't get that on DirecTV, it's a pretty safe bet that most people don't get that channel at all. DirecTV's $45/month "Ultimate" package has far more channels than most, if not all, cable companies offer on their biggest, baddest, most expensive cable package.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I don't assume I know. Growing up in several trailer parks & all of my surrounding neighbors were huge NASCAR fans but only could watch half the season because we only had the rabbit ears. Otherwise we'd listen to it on the radio. Why do you think TV ratings are down? Theyre only down because alotta fans can only watch half the season. Hell, until I got to college I couldn't see races on ESPN & TNT. The people on this forum ain't the only NASCAR fans on the block ya know
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Best way to do it is:
1. For everybody in the park to sell their recycled beer cans.
2. Use proceeds to pay for one trailer in the middle of the park to get the deluxe cable.
3. Everybody scab on to that one line, to run into their own particular trailers.

There are other perks for the enterprising TIT (Trailor park IT person) coordinator.

1. Rather than picking out the central trailer as the hub, make it the home of the hottest white trash honey in the park.
2. This will involve lots of interaction with her, and allow for lots of opportunity when there is no racing to watch.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
@mikemulhern
KC: wonder if 2014 TV options for NNS are still on the table? hearing fox is being pushed to take all NNS/2014.
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If NASCAR blocked his deal, I doubt they'd let FS1 take over Nationwide. Unless NASCAR's the one pushing it. Nationwide is what I'm most worried about next year with ESPN.
 
thinkin espn's race coverage so far this yr has been good. nns/cup both.

why they go ta craven w/ his talkin head analysis on sportscenter.....n his goofy pal......vs on-track interviews after race ??

tnt is one i'd like gone next yr !
 
It's not that I want ESPN out because their Cup Series coverage is the best by a mile IMO, it's that I'm extremely excited about NBC coming in. FS1 televising NASCAR, ARCA, Sports Cars and NBCSN televising NASCAR, ARCA, F1 and IndyCar - this is a good thing for motorsports.

I'd love to see NBCSN or FS1, hell, I'd settle for FS2, televise some PASS races and some Late Model races.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The ESPNCL move for one race was egregious and done entirely out of spite. I don't even get that channel on DirecTV. If you don't get that on DirecTV, it's a pretty safe bet that most people don't get that channel at all. DirecTV's $45/month "Ultimate" package has far more channels than most, if not all, cable companies offer on their biggest, baddest, most expensive cable package.
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Channel 614 on DirecTV
 
NASCAR stays course with TV partners

ESPN, Fox, NBC and Turner still are trying to work out a NASCAR deal to have Fox and NBC take over the sport’s media rights a year early.

The media companies sent NASCAR a formal proposal that would have Fox and NBC begin broadcasting the sport a year early. But the sport’s top executives remain skeptical that any change will happen next season, saying it “fully expects to be back with our current broadcast partners, Fox, Turner and ESPN, in 2014.”

The proposal, which was put together by the media companies, would let ESPN and Turner forgo the final year of their contracts and end their partnerships with the sport after this season. Financial terms of the proposal weren’t available. But sources said that if NASCAR approved the plan, Fox would take the first half of the Nationwide Series from ESPN, NBC would take the second half of the Sprint Cup and Nationwide Series from ESPN. Fox and NBC would split Turner’s midseason, six-race package.

In a statement emailed last week, Steve Herbst, NASCAR vice president of broadcasting and production, said, “As happens with all sports every time there’s a lame duck year, networks frequently explore the possibility of beginning their term earlier.

NBC has told us they are very eager to return NASCAR to its network, and Fox has shown tremendous interest in starting to broadcast the NASCAR Nationwide Series a year early. We’re thrilled about those networks’ excitement for the sport but know potential agreements like this one seldom get done. We fully expect to be back with our current broadcast partners, Fox, Turner and ESPN, in 2014.”

At a conference last week, NBC Sports Group Chairman Mark Lazarus spoke of the difficulties getting four networks to reach an agreement, on top of getting NASCAR to buy into it, along with teams and sponsors. “The longer it goes, the harder it gets,” he said.

Representatives from Fox, ESPN and Turner declined to comment.

Media companies often hold informal conversations about exiting deals early, but they rarely result in formal proposals. In the past decade, no rights holder has exited a media agreement with a major property early.

TV companies that lose rights to a sport a year before their contract ends typically ride out the final year of their agreement as a lame-duck rights holder. But NASCAR has found itself in a unique situation. Fox and NBC are eager to start their deals early, and ESPN and Turner are interested in exiting the sport before their contracts end.

Talks started in August when Fox and NBC signed new rights agreements with NASCAR for $8.2 billion from 2015 to 2024. Fox, which has televised the first half of the Sprint Cup season since 2001, picked up rights to the first half of the Nationwide Series and three more Sprint Cup races, while NBC picked up the rights to the second half each of the Nationwide Series and Sprint Cup Series.

Fox is interested in getting rights to the Nationwide Series next season to help it program two new sports channels. The launch of Fox Sports 1 and 2 has left it with 48 hours of programming to fill a day, and it’s been acquiring rights for everything from golf’s U.S. Open to USA Rugby matches to fill it.

NBC Sports thinks adding 13 Sprint Cup and 19 Nationwide Series races would allow it to expose NASCAR fans to NBC Sports Network and give the cable network another asset to leverage in carriage negotiations with cable and satellite companies next year.

The company would be able to promote its NASCAR programming during next year’s NFL playoffs and Olympics, which typically deliver some of sports’ highest ratings.

Both ESPN and Turner declined to submit final bids for NASCAR TV rights in August and have expressed interest in exiting their deals early. Doing so would allow ESPN to eliminate production costs and shed its roughly $270 million annual rights fee for NASCAR. For Turner, it would complete the gradual unwinding of its ties to the sport, which began in early 2012 when it sold the rights to NASCAR.com back to NASCAR.

from here
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It's part of their sports pack subscription that includes the regional sports networks.
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Huh? I get the regional sports networks. I don't get ESPNCL. CL, BeIn, FOX Soccer (which isn't on the air anymore anyways) and like two other sports channels - the only channels I don't get. And I'm not going to pay $50/month extra just to watch a few Nationwide races that are supposed to be on ESPN2 anyways.
 
Nevermind, I know what dp's saying now. The regional sports network package is useless. You're essentially paying $50/month for channels that are blacked out any and every single time there's a live event on (unless you're in that market). So the only programs that aren't blacked out, the NBCSN regional stations and FOX Sports regional stations in Detroit, LA, New York or wherever are all airing the same things that NBCSN-DC and FOX Sports Carolinas (which I get) air anyways.

Missing a few Nationwide races that Kyle Busch wins anyways because ESPN wants to screw over racing fans - it's a small price to pay. ESPN's gone at the end of next year anyways and the only time I'll watch ESPN Networks when NASCAR exits is when they air an Orioles or Jaguars game.
 
And now comes renewed speculation that 2014 may yet indeed have a surprise championship finale, and not at Homestead.

Daytona?

Daytona-to-Daytona is now being heard in the stock car garage as a possibility...in part because of the huge construction projects set for play at that facility. Construction that might not fit into a Daytona-February four-month window through Daytona-July. Hence the possibility of moving the final race from Homestead to Daytona, to open up an eight-month construction window.

Whether or not that plays out is not clear.

But many fans have long insisted a Daytona championship finale could be a real zinger.

And where might Homestead-Miami fit in such a shakeup?

One possibility thrown out for consideration -- under the lights July Fourth weekend. Couldn't be much hotter or rainier than Daytona that weekend, could it?

It all does sound rather far-fetched, though Daytona for the final race would certainly be a crowd pleaser.

from here
 
Daytona already has the July 3-5 weekend marked as the Coke Zero 400 weekend on their web site and I've already gotten renewal emails from them for that weekend as well. If Homestead is losing its championship weekend, it's not to DIS.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Daytona already has the July 3-5 weekend marked as the Coke Zero 400 weekend on their web site and I've already gotten renewal emails from them for that weekend as well. If Homestead is losing its championship weekend, it's not to DIS.
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That's @mikemulhern for ya. Remember, this thread came with a 'Consider The Source' disclaimer.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
And now comes renewed speculation that 2014 may yet indeed have a surprise championship finale, and not at Homestead.

Daytona?

Daytona-to-Daytona is now being heard in the stock car garage as a possibility...in part because of the huge construction projects set for play at that facility. Construction that might not fit into a Daytona-February four-month window through Daytona-July. Hence the possibility of moving the final race from Homestead to Daytona, to open up an eight-month construction window.

Whether or not that plays out is not clear.

But many fans have long insisted a Daytona championship finale could be a real zinger.

And where might Homestead-Miami fit in such a shakeup?

One possibility thrown out for consideration -- under the lights July Fourth weekend. Couldn't be much hotter or rainier than Daytona that weekend, could it?

It all does sound rather far-fetched, though Daytona for the final race would certainly be a crowd pleaser.

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Even if the dates weren't penciled in, I like the Daytona July race. Daytona being the last race of the season would be a money grab that I doubt would pay off.
 
Daytona as the open and final has been rumored for years. It's not going to happen.

NASCAR should move the final to Las Vegas and move the second race of the season to Homestead.
 
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