New rules for the All-Star race

Truex_rox said:
That's why I am keeping my mouth shut on this particular topic for the most part. Until I see what the racing is like in the All-Star Race, there's really no point in saying that I "like it/don't like it".
We've given stage racing an opportunity, and it's really not been the worst introduction to NASCAR. Don't see any reason as to why this idea can't be given the same benefit of the doubt.
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Please...stage racing is just a reason to throw a yellow other than a fake debri caution to tighten the field. Why the expirement with plates instead of slowing the cars down with a smaller engine and a different aero package? Nascar never tries that, they just throw the big band aid on it with a restrictor plate and they wonder why they have to reduce seats because attendance is dropping.
 
If the drivers didn’t position and push to win stage finish positions, I would agree it was just something for extra cautions. Based on what I’ve seen there is hard driving to stay in the top 10, take an extra position higher, or win the state. Points matter at every level, made clear last season by MTJ.

I’m against the restrictor plate, but interested to see how the other changes affect the ASR.
 
StandOnIt said:
Got a whole bunch or misinformed . Mention "plate" and that is as far as they get. If the package works at the All Star race, a smaller open engine would be an option for better throttle response is the word.
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Then I wish they'd try that instead. I understand a plate is a quick, cheap way to simulate a smaller engine / slower horsepower, at least for max speed, but is it an adequate substitute to demonstrate anything that carries over to an unrestricted smaller engine?

IF it works, do you see NASCAR implementing a smaller open engine across the board? I'd have no objection but If not, the owners will scream bloody murder if they had to maintain two different engines. Those are the issues that lead me to suspect NASCAR will take the cheap fast solution and just run plates at more tracks.

I freely admit I'm firmly entrenched in the knee-jerk reaction camp. Ring the bell, Pavlov, and I'm gonna salivate every time. I wish they'd tested either the aero changes or the plate, not both.
 
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Charlie Spencer said:
Then I wish they'd try that instead. I understand a plate is a quick, cheap way to simulate a smaller engine / slower horsepower, but is it an adequate substitute to demonstrate anything?

IF it works, do you see NASCAR implementing a smaller open engine across the board? I'd have no objection but If not, the owners will scream bloody murder if they had to maintain two different engines. Those are the issues that lead me to suspect NASCAR will take the cheap fast solution and just run plates at more tracks.

I freely admit I'm firmly entrenched in the knee-jerk reaction camp. Ring the bell, Pavlov, and I'm gonna salivate every time.
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Pretty stupid business wise to switch to a different engine when this is an experiment that will probably need changes. That would be the most expensive part. But like Jr said, if they can fix the racing at Charlotte they can fix all of the 1.5's because Charlotte is the worst.
 
StandOnIt said:
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Pretty stupid business wise to switch to a different engine when this is an experiment that will probably need changes. That would be the most expensive part. But like Jr said, if they can fix the racing at Charlotte they can fix all of the 1.5's because Charlotte is the worst.
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Again a band aid for an open wound, address the real problem.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Again a band aid for an open wound, address the real problem.
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I don't think anyone agrees what the 'real problem' is. I think it's the race tracks themselves, but I know opinions vary. ISC certainly doesn't agree with me, and although SMI has demonstrated repeatedly that it's more open to changes in recent years - Texas (repeatedly), Kentucky, the Roval.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
The race tracks themselves?
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The cars, nothing wrong with Charlotte, heck 5 or 6 years ago we had good racing there. Nascar continues to not fix a problem, they glaze it over and try to appease a few. The Chase, stages, plates, it's all just band aids, when is it going to stop?
 
The reason why some people don't want to give any plate racing a chance is because they don't see it as a legitimate form of racing therefore the racing can never be any good because it ain't racin'!!!!!!!

A rising tide lifts all boats but in the case of plates it is voodoo economics.
 
StandOnIt said:
got that right, we aren't bottom feeders that's for sure.
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I understand you trying to stand up for Nascar, I get it, but when evidence to the contrary is presented sometime you have to cut your losses. Either way here's hoping Nascar can figure this out, and make racing better.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I understand you trying to stand up for Nascar, I get it, but when evidence to the contrary is presented sometime you have to cut your losses. Either way here's hoping Nascar can figure this out, and make racing better.
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I'm not standing up for Nascar. Like I said if you can find better racing for more money with better talent in a racing series let me know. If you can find out where the racing crowd went to what series after they left Nascar let me know. Until then it's just a bunch of B.S. cloggin up the racing thread, but frankly it does give me something to do..Ya can't call it feeding the trolls around here though, it's called a lively discussion until the racing starts. ;)
 
StandOnIt said:
If you can find out where the racing crowd went to what series after they left Nascar let me know.
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I don't think those that left were ever in the 'racing crowd' to begin with, just average people riding the trend du jour until, as with all trends, they inevitably moved on to something else.
StandOnIt said:
Until then it's just a bunch of B.S. cloggin up the racing thread,
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It'd be pretty boring if this discussion was only 'This is a good idea' posts.
 
"I'm not standing up for Nascar"

As LTCG would say "I don't care who you are that there is funny"
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I don't think those that left were ever in the 'racing crowd' to begin with, just average people riding the trend du jour until, as with all trends, they inevitably moved on to something else.

It'd be pretty boring if this discussion was only 'This is a good idea' posts.
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The negative side is always the easier side. But if there was any racing series anywhere doing better than Nascar is some of them would have a point. But they don't. Fun to mess with them though. It's good times if you are a fan, all of the racing series are busting their butts to put on a good race and they are. IndyCars are the best looking cars in years..F-1's are starting to look at how ridiculous their's are as their attendance declines. Nascar is trying to bring back the slingshot racing and adding a road course for this year.
 
StandOnIt said:
The negative side is always the easier side. But if there was any racing series anywhere doing better than Nascar is some of them would have a point. But they don't. Fun to mess with them though. It's good times if you are a fan, all of the racing series are busting their butts to put on a good race and they are. IndyCars are the best looking cars in years..F-1's are starting to look at how ridiculous their's are as their attendance declines. Nascar is trying to bring back the slingshot racing and adding a road course for this year.
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So what you are saying is "every type of racing has never been better than today." Good stuff.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Please...stage racing is just a reason to throw a yellow other than a fake debri caution to tighten the field. Why the expirement with plates instead of slowing the cars down with a smaller engine and a different aero package? Nascar never tries that, they just throw the big band aid on it with a restrictor plate and they wonder why they have to reduce seats because attendance is dropping.
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I really was not digging it either to begin with, but the concept of stage racing has grown on me. It has undeniably produced some great racing.
 
Stage racing, playoffs are two things I hate the most. It pains me to see NASCAR in this condition. But I can't stop watching, I AM A RACE FAN, so I will watch every kind of racing I can find. This year F1 racing has been better than NASCAR. I doubt F1 can keep delivering races as good as they have been this year. But so far it has been. I would say they race for bigger money too. All series have good and bad races, that's just how it is. But when I see a series that has so much potential, (IMO) going to waste, it makes me sad. But I can't stop watching, I don't want to stop watching, and I won't stop watching until I'm dead. I may not stop even then. Just like anything else, You can't say, with any certainty, what will happen until it does happen. So let's wait and see. Remember, a bad day of racing, is better than a day with no racing at all.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
More like, 'For all the complaining, most of the products are pretty good." I saw nothing that could be interpreted the way you did without extensive extrapolation.
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How about the harder all the series bust their asses to get new fans the more tune out?...........:D
 
Kyle Busch
“I'm not a particular fan of it but we certainly do need to orchestrate some better races at mile-and-a-half tracks, particularly Charlotte,” he said. “For some reason, it hasn't been one of our best race tracks there since the repave with working multiple lanes; it’s been pretty single-file there for a long time.”

Jimmie Johnson
Seven-time Cup champion Jimmie Johnson said he believed “there’s really nothing to lose” by giving the Xfinity package a try.
“It might not be the package we love and want, but I’m sure it will get us a step closer and we'll continue to evolve,” he said. “Largely because so many people are willing to take this chance at the All-Star Race.”

Kyle Larson
“The racing on TV came across better. I think we will have the same effect probably for the Cup Series at Charlotte,” Larson said. “I don’t think it will be any more exciting for us in the seat because it will be a lot slower, but I think it will come across on TV and in the grandstands a lot better.
“NASCAR is always trying to please the fans and I think this is a step to make the racing come across as more exciting.”

Ricky Stenhouse
Ricky Stenhouse Jr. thinks if anything, the racing should be a lot closer.
“I do think that when you reduce the speeds the handling isn’t as big of an issue and so I think the racing will be probably a little more intense,” he said. “We’ll just have to see how the fans like it. “I think that’s the biggest thing we want to do is to make sure the fans enjoy our races and, however that may be, I think is something we need to look at.

https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-c...ckage-there-s-really-nothing-to-lose-1025843/
 
I'm not even so sure that it's something fans have been asking for (I think that's exemplified in this thread) - but the Brain himself said he'd like to see more pack racing several years ago when low downforce was initially being trialed.

"There's no question about that. Cars were harder to drive. ... I'll tell you what we didn't see what we would like to see more of is more drafting. We didn't see as much as we would have liked and more pack racing."
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http://kwese.espn.com/racing/nascar...nce-gives-kentucky-aero-package-mixed-reviews
 
"we certainly do need to orchestrate some better races at mile-and-a-half tracks"

"I think it will come across on TV and in the grandstands a lot better"

"we want to do is to make sure the fans enjoy our races and, however that may be"

You don't orchestrate good racing as it is a byproduct of using the proper cars at proper tracks with skillful drivers.

Artificially reducing the speed of the cars in order promote pack racing is not racing

Most of the fans left will take whatever is given so the key is not finding what they enjoy but doing what is necessary to attract new and younger fans.
 
AtomicPunk55 said:
"I think it will come across on TV and in the grandstands a lot better"
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BZF, I presume. If he wants it to come across better on TV, the broadcast producers need to start thinking like fans in the stands. Nobody looks at a single car without noticing its relationship to those around it, but TV constantly gives us single-car shots. Nobody looks at the leaders when they're separated, they look for competitive battles elsewhere in the field, but TV obsesses over the top 5 or 10.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
BZF, I presume. If he wants it to come across better on TV, the broadcast producers need to start thinking like fans in the stands. Nobody looks at a single car without noticing its relationship to those around it, but TV constantly gives us single-car shots. Nobody looks at the leaders when they're separated, they look for competitive battles elsewhere in the field, but TV obsesses over the top 5 or 10.
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It was Ricky Stenhouse who uttered the statement but it could have been Brian as he likes cars riding around 2x2 to create the illusion of racing with the potential for game 7 moments.
 
AtomicPunk55 said:
"we certainly do need to orchestrate some better races at mile-and-a-half tracks"

"I think it will come across on TV and in the grandstands a lot better"

"we want to do is to make sure the fans enjoy our races and, however that may be"

You don't orchestrate good racing as it is a byproduct of using the proper cars at proper tracks with skillful drivers.

Artificially reducing the speed of the cars in order promote pack racing is not racing

Most of the fans left will take whatever is given so the key is not finding what they enjoy but doing what is necessary to attract new and younger fans.
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I think if plate racing becomes the norm it will be the nail in the coffin for a lot of fans.
 
Do other racing series have major modifications for individual tracks? Don't most of them run the same engine and aero packages at all tracks?

ARCA runs plates at Daytona and Talladega, but they're basically using NASCAR hand-me-downs and it isn't a coincidence that those are the tracks involved.

I recall IndyCar ran different aero packages at ovals vs street / road courses.

Anybody else?
 
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