Given the same car to each team means the big spenders will be on topSpeed costs money.
How fast do you want to go?
Calling it now. Between NASCAR’s insistent marketing that the car will “even” the field out more and it being a brand new car that nobody has seen, there will be 2-4 teams that hit on setups and dominate the entire season. The opposite of what NASCAR says will happen, will happen.IF, and it's a huge IF, the car is more dependent on mechanical grip and the suspension allows crew chiefs room to adjust to a driver's liking, then I think the alliances will be more based in setups. With the box being much narrower due to common parts, etc, I think the big budget teams will distance themselves even farther because smaller gains will be more significant. (Penske, HMS, JGR)
Plus there will be reoccurring parts failures much like the cable driven fuel pumps. They don't know what they don't know. Will rear wheel bearings hold-up to 400-500 miles on high-banked tracks? Rear axles? Do they have sufficient air flow to the HUGE brake rotors? Completely new wiring harnesses. Lots of things will go wrong. It's a part of progress.Calling it now. Between NASCAR’s insistent marketing that the car will “even” the field out more and it being a brand new car that nobody has seen, there will be 2-4 teams that hit on setups and dominate the entire season. The opposite of what NASCAR says will happen, will happen.
Shades of Matt Kenseth and Jimmie Johnson in 2013 when the Gen 6 had it’s first season.
I think so too that they will have minor problems at first. Nascar has had very few catastrophic failures with every change in generations of cars. I can't see the change being 100% seamless but I don't see a race that will cripple the whole field. That's only happened once when Goodyear got caught off guard with a very rough track surface at Indy years ago.Plus there will be reoccurring parts failures much like the cable driven fuel pumps. They don't know what they don't know. Will rear wheel bearings hold-up to 400-500 miles on high-banked tracks? Rear axles? Do they have sufficient air flow to the HUGE brake rotors? Completely new wiring harnesses. Lots of things will go wrong. It's a part of progress.
Here is the full listI think so too that they will have minor problems at first. Nascar has had very few catastrophic failures with every change in generations of cars. I can't see the change being 100% seamless but I don't see a race that will cripple the whole field. That's only happened once when Goodyear got caught off guard with a very rough track surface at Indy years ago.
I am not positive that all parts will do this, but what I read about the chassis is that they go to Nascar first and Nascar releases them to the teams. Could be more parts and pieces than that.
Yeah that is a list of suppliers, I was talking about shiping parts and pieces first to Nascar and dispersing those to teams. I don't think there is a list of that happening.Here is the full list
Full list of vendors, parts suppliers for NASCAR's Next Gen car
Full list of parts suppliers and vendors producing parts and components for the Next Gen car that will debut in the 2022 NASCAR Cup Series.www.nascar.com
I may be grasping at straws, but I see that being Penske early on since they have an Aussie v8 Supercar team, off which much of the next gen car is based.Calling it now. Between NASCAR’s insistent marketing that the car will “even” the field out more and it being a brand new car that nobody has seen, there will be 2-4 teams that hit on setups and dominate the entire season. The opposite of what NASCAR says will happen, will happen.
Shades of Matt Kenseth and Jimmie Johnson in 2013 when the Gen 6 had it’s first season.
BLASPHAMY! THIS CAR IS 100% BRAND NEW. IT HAS BOLTLESS BOLTS! NEW TECHNOLOGY! LOTS AND LOTS OF NEW TECHNOLOGY! NEVER USED BEFORE TECHNOLOGY!I may be grasping at straws, but I see that being Penske early on since they have an Aussie v8 Supercar team, off which much of the next gen car is based.
That team is no longer but you are correct ... those cars are the parents.I may be grasping at straws, but I see that being Penske early on since they have an Aussie v8 Supercar team, off which much of the next gen car is based.
Ok sorry misunderstood. Im certain NASCAR has inspectors to police the production of the parts and pieces and the companies had to sign an agreement that any hanky panky would terminate the contract and civil suits could be brought.Yeah that is a list of suppliers, I was talking about shiping parts and pieces first to Nascar and dispersing those to teams. I don't think there is a list of that happening.
In my dream world I would like to see Nascar to get the important parts first, inspect them, put their ID inspection marks on them and send them on to the teams.
There was plenty of reasons for Nascar to get the frames first. Teams are allowed to only have so many, they have to be approved after an accident to buy more. I'm thinking it could be for safety also, Xray and inspect the welds.
robots make mistakes along with the operator, not to mention steel quality. Nascar release the chassis right after they were approved by the final safety panel awhile backPretty sure the QC program at Technique covers the inspection of welds.
Starcom is putting a new car together in their shop. If they have one, you can be sure every other charter team has one as well.
robots make mistakes along with the operator, not to mention steel quality. Nascar release the chassis right after they were approved by the final safety panel awhile back
I'm thinking it will tighten up the field some. A sharp crew/driver can get close on the setup and they may not have a big buck motor, but they can stay in the game with a good handling car and driver. If it was me, I would be looking for really good road race drivers.I think the more testing and practice you allow the less need there is for affiliates, with at least an initial increase in that for next year the need shouldn't be as large. IMO the main reason that most of these smaller teams aligned themselves with bigger teams was to get sim data. If you have practice and testing you don't need sim data to tell you what X change will make. You just make X change and take it out on the track and see.
Simulation data helps get the car ready to go to the track.I think the more testing and practice you allow the less need there is for affiliates, with at least an initial increase in that for next year the need shouldn't be as large. IMO the main reason that most of these smaller teams aligned themselves with bigger teams was to get sim data. If you have practice and testing you don't need sim data to tell you what X change will make. You just make X change and take it out on the track and see.
I wonder how accurate that will be for awhile.Simulation data helps get the car ready to go to the track.
Practice time is not unlimited. Teams need to show up with a good baseline.
Should be ok for tracks they’ve tested tires on with wheel load transducers in place.I wonder how accurate that will be for awhile.
With so many standard parts I think the baseline will be pretty well determinedSimulation data helps get the car ready to go to the track.
Practice time is not unlimited. Teams need to show up with a good baseline.
Is RCR Manufacturing Childress? I noticed Roush has lots of things from the Roush Industries and Roush-Yates companies. Wonder if they will sub some work out to Kez Industries?Here is the full list
Full list of vendors, parts suppliers for NASCAR's Next Gen car
Full list of parts suppliers and vendors producing parts and components for the Next Gen car that will debut in the 2022 NASCAR Cup Series.www.nascar.com
Roush has done a lot of Greenhouse work for the series and had already been supplying the roof flaps and hatches so it was a Natural fit. I dont think RCR is fitting the cars with anything that I know of.Is RCR Manufacturing Childress? I noticed Roush has lots of things from the Roush Industries and Roush-Yates companies. Wonder if they will sub some work out to Kez Industries?
Roush-Yates makes engines for all different Ford racing series with factory support (per a friend that works there.)Is RCR Manufacturing Childress? I noticed Roush has lots of things from the Roush Industries and Roush-Yates companies. Wonder if they will sub some work out to Kez Industries?
Uh yeah...Engines were not on the list so I assume those will remain the same. I could be mistaken or missed it.Roush-Yates makes engines for all different Ford racing series with factory support (per a friend that works there.)
When you say "greenhouse work", what does that entail? I just knew he supplied the roof flaps for Nascar?Roush has done a lot of Greenhouse work for the series and had already been supplying the roof flaps and hatches so it was a Natural fit. I dont think RCR is fitting the cars with anything that I know of.
Driver areaWhen you say "greenhouse work", what does that entail? I just knew he supplied the roof flaps for Nascar?
Somebody was gonna win the bid and Roush Yates got the deal.Uh yeah...Engines were not on the list so I assume those will remain the same. I could be mistaken or missed it.
The Roush Yates MFG Solutions on the list will supply Anti Roll Bars, Shifter, Transaxle Mounts, Uprights/Wheel hubs. Just saying Roush (and Yates) have some input on what makes this new car. More than just the engines and roof flaps I knew of before.
Not trying to be an idiot but does that mean roll cage, steering column, dash, etc? I'd have thought the chassis (Technique Chassis LLC) would be building all that? I pictured the chassis to be what everything else is installed onto?Driver area
If failures happen on opposing team cars does it turn into a conspiracy theory? Kinda surprised NASCAR would allow them to be involved other than for the "Ford" teams?Somebody was gonna win the bid and Roush Yates got the deal.
That is why I was wondering if Nascar handed out the parts randomly to teams to prevent that like they are doing with the chassis.If failures happen on opposing team cars does it turn into a conspiracy theory? Kinda surprised NASCAR would allow them to be involved other than for the "Ford" teams?
Sorry our wires are crossed, Roush worked in concert with NASCAR on the greenhouse of car before the Gen 7 ( roof flaps, Hatch etc) so it was a Natural fit for them to produce on the Next Gen. No, Roush isnt building the Chassis itself. thats strictly TechniqueNot trying to be an idiot but does that mean roll cage, steering column, dash, etc? I'd have thought the chassis (Technique Chassis LLC) would be building all that? I pictured the chassis to be what everything else is installed onto?
Oh I dont believe so. Failures happen and Roush isnt about to soil his Reputation and Business Empire to win a race.If failures happen on opposing team cars does it turn into a conspiracy theory? Kinda surprised NASCAR would allow them to be involved other than for the "Ford" teams?