N'wide @ Charlotte Race thread

SpeedPagan said:
The problem is that drivers like Kyle Larson, Sam Hornish, and other Nationwde Team are on one level, while Cuppers are on another level, in every aspect. There's a reason they don't allow Major League Baseball Players play in the Minor Leagues.
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This aint stick n ball..for the hundreth time..IT is not a feeder series, Cuppers don't race for points, they race for place money and contracts made way before the race is run for sponsors who want to pay for it..why don't ya bitch at the sponsors, they are the ones who are paying for the cup drivers to run in N'wide? It is more complicated than stick n ball see post below:

StandOnIt said:
Too complicated for most it looks like. You have cup guys racing and you have N'wide racing for a championship against each other in the same race. then sometimes a N'wide wins and beats the cuppers and the regulars. That seems to make most everybody happy. The N'widers gave em hell tonite.
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BobbyFord said:
Whaddya mean? Aren't you guys talking about it?
You do not have to be in first place to showcase your talent.
It's about the stopwatch, how well you get on and off pit road, how well you relate what's going on with the car, how well you run in traffic, how well you adjust your line with the changing race surface, etc.
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he can only do that in a Busch car?
 
I say amend the rules, if Cuppers want to race in Nationwide, fine. But they have to use a Nationwide team, no using a car prepared by a cup team or serviced by a cup pit crew. Which means Kyle Busch can't race for Joe Gibbs Racing in Nationwide. Same goes for all the other Cuppers.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I say amend the rules, if Cuppers want to race in Nationwide, fine. But they have to use a Nationwide team, no using a car prepared by a cup team or serviced by a cup pit crew. Which means Kyle Busch can't race for Joe Gibbs Racing in Nationwide. Same goes for all the other Cuppers.
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Write your congressman.
 
BobbyFord said:
If you have talent, you can showcase your talent in any series.
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they all have talent. It's if the level of talent is the same as the ones you are racing against. minor league lots of talent, Sunday is a different story.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I say amend the rules, if Cuppers want to race in Nationwide, fine. But they have to use a Nationwide team, no using a car prepared by a cup team or serviced by a cup pit crew. Which means Kyle Busch can't race for Joe Gibbs Racing in Nationwide. Same goes for all the other Cuppers.
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good luck with that. got a little quiz for you whiners. Who drove the 22 discount tire car, who drove the Brandts 31 car, who drove the 51 monster energy drink car. Who drove the 32 target car? This ain't stick n ball, their sport isn't sponsor driven. but if you know anything about Nascar, you know who drove the above. These guys don't have any problems for the most part with sponsors paying their way, so they are running in both series. Now..look closely, there were two full time cuppers and two full time N'widers in the quiz. All four run in both series. So lets be fair and throw all the bums out of running both series..right? Who drove the jetsetGetset #95? hmmm or the life share #52? Ya think those two have sponsors falling all over them like the four I named? About the only thing close to stick n ball in nascar is the last two are getting payed a lot less to drive for those teams..kinda like underfunded teams in stick n ball.
 
BobbyFord said:
Minor league isn't televised. Nationwide is far from minor league.
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that brings up another point. The whiners say that back in the day the cuppers didn't run as many races as they do today. They didn't televise the Busch series like the do the N'wide
 
StandOnIt said:
that brings up another point. The whiners say that back in the day the cuppers didn't run as many races as they do today. They didn't televise the Busch series like the do the N'wide
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back in the day this was cup racing.
 
StandOnIt said:
This aint stick n ball..for the hundreth time..IT is not a feeder series, Cuppers don't race for points, they race for place money and contracts made way before the race is run for sponsors who want to pay for it..why don't ya bitch at the sponsors, they are the ones who are paying for the cup drivers to run in N'wide? It is more complicated than stick n ball see post below:
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It is actually.

There are different tiers within a sport for a reason.

You're bringing the fact the Cup guys dont race for point like that wasn't the case just a few years ago. Anyways, none of that matters anyway as guys that race in Cup are supposed to be way ahead of the game which is why they are at the elite level to begin with.

You can twist it as much as you want to not compare it to Baseball but the fact remains the same that sports run on a ladder system. Its how you move up.

The owners, the drivers or the sponsors are really NOT to blame. It is NASCAR that has allowed this series to be polluded with all kinds of disavantage in favor to line their pockets. They really dont care about the competition as long as their pockets are being filled with money.

Is just as simple as that.
 
StandOnIt said:
that brings up another point. The whiners say that back in the day the cuppers didn't run as many races as they do today. They didn't televise the Busch series like the do the N'wide
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Gee, I wonder why.

Cup practices/qualifying weren't televised either so what's your point?

The Nationwide is a lower tier than that of Cup so NW could indeed be considered the Minor League of the NASCAR world.
 
StandOnIt said:
This aint stick n ball..for the hundreth time..IT is not a feeder series, Cuppers don't race for points, they race for place money and contracts made way before the race is run for sponsors who want to pay for it..why don't ya bitch at the sponsors, they are the ones who are paying for the cup drivers to run in N'wide? It is more complicated than stick n ball see post below:
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I have quit drinking Monster, and I don't shop at discount tire anymore. Use to drink monster a lot, and always too my work truck to discount for service. No more.
 
names are made here is somehow construed to be a proving ground? I thought they called all the Nascar stuff "series"
Camping World Truck Series
NASCAR Sprint Cup Series
Nationwide Series
proving ground series? that's a new one on me.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Yeah, pretty much. What else would it mean? I don't think "Names are made here" is supposed to mean "Cup drivers dick around here".
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:XXROFL:

Good one.

I'm starting to realize who to weed out and who to take serious when discussing a topic.

Some folks here are thick as hell.
 
problem is stick n ballers always try to make nascar and auto racing in general into what they know about. minor league? not even similar. A major leaguer will be down in the minors long enough to heal up or if he isn't good enough he gets dropped by the team. In Nascar if he is a hot commodity, sponsors offer the team owner deals to run in races, what ever series they can make a deal with the owner and the driver, they run the races. Trucks, N'wide, or cup.
 
I guess you guys weren't around when they announced which drivers had contracts to run in the cup. N'wide etc. at the first of the season. Also team owners are free to make deals with sponsors in motorsports. Whine at the sponsors..they owners and drivers are doing what they can to make money and stay competitive. Motorsports has been this way forever..sand lot baseball has sponsors..Joe's car lot, Pepsi..the big leagues don't allow it..Nascar does. get over it
 
Standonit, you're starting to ramble. You're not making a lick of sense. Bed time.
 
the problem is you don't have a leg to stand on. time for you to get over it. or go get your blankie and your binkie and wait until the next N'wide race to cry some more.
 
Because my first two posts didn't drive home the point.

reck said:
It is actually.

There are different tiers within a sport for a reason.

You're bringing the fact the Cup guys dont race for point like that wasn't the case just a few years ago. Anyways, none of that matters anyway as guys that race in Cup are supposed to be way ahead of the game which is why they are at the elite level to begin with.

You can twist it as much as you want to not compare it to Baseball but the fact remains the same that sports run on a ladder system. Its how you move up.

The owners, the drivers or the sponsors are really NOT to blame. It is NASCAR that has allowed this series to be polluded with all kinds of disavantage in favor to line their pockets. They really dont care about the competition as long as their pockets are being filled with money.

Is just as simple as that.
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reck said:
The NASCAR Nationwide Series is a stock car racing series owned and operated by the National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing. It is promoted as NASCAR's "minor league...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_Series

"It is a proving ground."

Enough said!
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StandOnIt said:
the problem is you don't have a leg to stand on. time for you to get over it. or go get your blankie and your binkie and wait until the next N'wide race to cry some more.
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Leave it to the rest to of the guys to see who is the one with no counter arguements. You weren't right here and you weren't right when you posted about Hornaday and that other fellow being in Trucks.

Its actually funny how you avoided that post.
 
I didn't avoid anything..they are X cuppers like about half of Nationwide. Proving ground?

Hmm this is from the Nascar site. I can see you are having a time grasping the concept that there is two races going on at times. the cup guys are there because of their sponsors. but there really is a race going on and a points battle in the SERIES.
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...e-series-points-charlotte-motor-speedway.html

CONCORD, N.C. -- Austin Dillon and Sam Hornish Jr. spent the better part of 300 miles Friday night racing in close quarters, taking turns in the lead and defining the terms of their championship fight for the three races that remain in the NASCAR Nationwide Series season.
By finishing ahead of all other Nationwide Series regulars, Dillon and Hornish achieved some separation from the rest of the pack. Regan Smith remained third in the standings, but his distance to Dillon’s perch now ranks at a stout 52 points.

Three more races like Friday night’s and the points battle will be a virtual stalemate, but Hornish said he’ll continue to focus within rather than train his gaze on Dillon’s efforts. In the meantime, Hornish said he can count on a mutual respect between him and the series front-runner
 
StandOnIt said:
I guess you guys weren't around when they announced which drivers had contracts to run in the cup. N'wide etc. at the first of the season. Also team owners are free to make deals with sponsors in motorsports. Whine at the sponsors..they owners and drivers are doing what they can to make money and stay competitive. Motorsports has been this way forever..sand lot baseball has sponsors..Joe's car lot, Pepsi..the big leagues don't allow it..Nascar does. get over it
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I think several of us are in agreement here that the sponsors are part of the problem. It's not just one party at fault.
 
I don't know if minor league is the right label or not, but you can't deny that the NNS is a development series. It is where drivers develope their skills to move on to better things. Whether that be nns/truck regulars, x-cup guys, or current cup guys with lack of experience. It is a place where drivers can learn how to drive a stock car at a professional level. It is of my opinion that it shouldn't be a place for Cup elite to take out their frustrations on the little guys.
 
I do deny that it is..right now all of the top 5 either were or are racing in cup. 3 of the top five are not moving to better things, they are not developing their skills, they already have them, used them in the cup series. Sure I get your point. But if it is entirely developmental series..what are Hornish, Sadler, Smith, Vickers? They have a right to race in the series IMO. My point is the sport is money driven, sponsors make the race go around and round. Fans are emotional..two different things. I watch two different races when I watch a n'wide race. The regulars racing for a championship, and whoever shows up from cup basically racing each other. Kyle put it on the cuppers, Dillon increased his points lead. Hornish blew it, overdrove the car trying to catch Kyle(stupid) and Dillon kept his car under him and beat him. I didn't have a problem with Penske telling Sam to go somewheres else, they tell him to look at the big picture over and over..and he goes straight to stupid.
 
Did this discussion really turn into an argument of whether or not careers are built in the Nationwide(Busch) Series?

*facepalm*
 
It was good to see Larson pushing it to the edge although I don't expect to see him do the same in the Cup race. Not a terrible qualifying effort, however.
 
It was fun watching him school the field. He surprised the hell out of Kyle when Larson passed him on high exit.
 
FenderBumper said:
It was fun watching him school the field. He surprised the hell out of Kyle when Larson passed him on high exit.
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Maybe he showed his hand to soon. I imagine he'll learn from that.
 
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That is a great battle going on among the top 2 in Nationwide. 3 races to go with an 8 point separation. Should be fun to watch.

You know what would make it even better, implement the Chase. Yeah, that would do it. :rolleyes:
 
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