Plans Emerge For Six-Race, Women-Only Motor Racing Championship

Team Penske said:
Golf has it's own woman series.
Tennis has it's own woman series.
Women compete against other women in track and field.
There is nothing wrong with having a woman racing series.
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You bring up an interesting point. Sports like basketball and golf, I understand why there are leagues for women. As far as tennis is concerned, have they ever considered getting rid of the men's/women's and just combine it? Is Serena Williams or Martina Navratilova on the same level as Pete Sampras or Andy Roddick or whoever? I would think that the best women in tennis are as good or better than the best men, but I don't know anything about tennis.

I guess I understand the thought process behind a women's racing league, but I also understand why the women in racing are offended or saddened by it. I don't blame them.
 
Team Penske said:
simple because they have the MONEY to do so.
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The point is, that the skills are NOT analogous to circle track or road racing. Nobody that age is going to be competitive in NASCAR. Only four guys over 50 have ever even won a race. Only two over 50 have been serious championship contenders, and nobody over age 53. It's one thing to be great for four seconds, another to do it for three hours. John Glenn went to space at age 77. Super impressive. He wasn't capable of flying air combat at anywhere near that age.
 
2 Sweet said:
I guess I understand the thought process behind a women's racing league, but I also understand why the women in racing are offended or saddened by it. I don't blame them.
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Maybe they aren't being truthful in their statements because of the backlash if it doesn't happen.
If any of them refuse to participate then we know for sure.
 
2 Sweet said:
Is Serena Williams or Martina Navratilova on the same level as Pete Sampras or Andy Roddick or whoever? I would think that the best women in tennis are as good or better than the best men, but I don't know anything about tennis.
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I don't watch anymore. The only way to judge would be to watch mix doubles. Women couldn't compete with the power of the serve, not sure if this is still the case.
 
2 Sweet said:
You bring up an interesting point. Sports like basketball and golf, I understand why there are leagues for women. As far as tennis is concerned, have they ever considered getting rid of the men's/women's and just combine it? Is Serena Williams or Martina Navratilova on the same level as Pete Sampras or Andy Roddick or whoever? I would think that the best women in tennis are as good or better than the best men, but I don't know anything about tennis.

I guess I understand the thought process behind a women's racing league, but I also understand why the women in racing are offended or saddened by it. I don't blame them.
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I don't know enough about tennis to speak with any authority, but some people who supposedly know say that Serena Williams couldn't beat the #20 man in tennis. When Annika Sorenstam was at the peak of dominating the LPGA, she couldn't even make the cut at a PGA event when she attempted it. No political message here, just stating facts.
 
Formerjackman said:
I don't know enough about tennis to speak with any authority, but some people who supposedly know say that Serena Williams couldn't beat the #20 man in tennis. When Annika Sorenstam was at the peak of dominating the LPGA, she couldn't even make the cut at a PGA event when she attempted it. No political message here, just stating facts.
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Then I think this helps justify why a women's racing league would be a slap in the face to the women competing in motorsports. In racing, women are on an equal playing field as the men. In stick & ball sports, that isn't usually the case. A women's racing league might help more women get exposure in motorsports, but is it necessary? I think it's kind of insulting to the women who have got where they are in racing without it. The optics aren't good.
 
For the record, the air force and nasa testing have proven that women are far far better pilots than men, particularly when it comes to dog fighting and high G maneuvering. Personally, I don't care .. but I'm tired of groups demanding their own private club AND that other's aren't allowed to exclude them. Women at the YMCA, but no men at the YWCA is just the easiest example. Girls in Boy Scouts, but Girl Guides is right there for them. Either women are equal, or they're not. Pick a damn position already. I've had enough of trying to keep up with this BS.

For what little it's worth ... I was brought up by a stay at home mom, who worked at the school cafeteria. That way she was there when we left for school, was there when we got home, and still managed to earn money and the house was still spotless and meals on time (and delicious). I was taught there was nothing women couldn't do .. unless they couldn't do it. Mom would do the shopping and know to within a dime the cost before the cashier even started. She taught my entire generation of friends how to drive. I have nothing but respect for women ... 'cept when crap like this floats to the top of the bowl.
 
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It's a free market, if you think that you have an idea that can draw in dollars, go ahead and try. Makes no difference to me. We have the right though to be skeptical of the need and of it's ability to succeed.
 
ToyYoda said:
Not sure if this planned series is a knee jerk reaction to Danica's motorsports exit, but I don't see where having such a series would hurt anything.
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I believe the powers that be aren't from this country, London they say. The ones that are going to come up with the money..that is what this is about MONEY. If they can get the money up to run an all women mini race series hail yea I am for it. I don't give a flip if they are equal or not. I know they are different..and I like em.
 
aunty dive said:
Shocking development. The thought never crossed my mind.
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Maybe not, but in this context, it is a matter of question. The WNBA certainly isn't about money, or it wouldn't have lasted past season one. Whether you enjoy the WNBA or not, it is nothing but an affirmative action project for the NBA from a realistic standpoint.
 
StandOnIt said:
I believe the powers that be aren't from this country, London they say. The ones that are going to come up with the money..that is what this is about MONEY. If they can get the money up to run an all women mini race series hail yea I am for it. I don't give a flip if they are equal or not. I know they are different..and I like em.
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If the money is there, shouldn't they be trying to get those partners to back these ladies in actual established racing series?

Christina Nielsen, two-time reigning GTD champion (she finished 2nd in 2015 as well), is still searching for a 2018 ride.
 
FLRacingFan said:
If the money is there, shouldn't they be trying to get those partners to back these ladies in actual established racing series?

Christina Nielsen, two-time reigning GTD champion (she finished 2nd in 2015 as well), is still searching for a 2018 ride.
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IDK about you, but if I was a rideless women, and I am not, getting an offer to race in a series with a handful of other women instead of buried in a series full of hairy legged men would probably appeal to me. The spotlight would be brighter.
 
FLRacingFan said:
If the money is there, shouldn't they be trying to get those partners to back these ladies in actual established racing series?

Christina Nielsen, two-time reigning GTD champion (she finished 2nd in 2015 as well), is still searching for a 2018 ride.
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That right there is a crime. She has MORE than earned another good ride, and I can't believe she is on the outside looking in right now. I would like to see here get a shot in a prototype, or better yet, give her a test in a Corvette GTLM car. That would be off the charts AWESOME!
 
StandOnIt said:
IDK about you, but if I was a rideless women, and I am not, getting an offer to race in a series with a handful of other women instead of buried in a series full of hairy legged men would probably appeal to me. The spotlight would be brighter.
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Yeah, because nothing says spotlight event like the Separate But Equal Series Babycakes 200k around the streets of Baku, when you could be running and winning at Daytona or Sebring or Le Mans instead. They're not interested.

It is actually totally befuddling to me that people would rather see this than use those fat stacks to, ya know, maybe push some more women and aspiring young girls up through legitimate feeder series in order to make it to the big show somewhere.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Yeah, because nothing says spotlight event like the Separate But Equal Series Babycakes 200k around the streets of Baku, when you could be running and winning at Daytona or Sebring or Le Mans instead. They're not interested.

It is actually totally befuddling to me that people would rather see this than use those fat stacks to, ya know, maybe push some more women and aspiring young girls up through legitimate feeder series in order to make it to the big show somewhere.
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I think the jury is already out.

You've already seen the responses from the women drivers who can actually compete on par with men say this is wrong on many levels.
 
Reck said:
I think the jury is already out.

You've already seen the responses from the women drivers who can actually compete on par with men say this is wrong on many levels.
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no it ain't, that bunch aren't being considered one could say. The ones considered will be for F-1 type cars if i am reading it right. Hey the gals who are complaining might be able to bridge the gap from 1/4, 1/3 mile tracks to road courses? Or they can race as equals? whatever that means.
 
StandOnIt said:
no it ain't, that bunch aren't being considered one could say. The ones considered will be for F-1 type cars if i am reading it right. Hey the gals who are complaining might be able to bridge the gap from 1/4, 1/3 mile tracks to road courses? Or they can race as equals? whatever that means.
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So this is not only for women only. But for women who have only raced in open wheels? LOL double whammy.
 
If they race in lingerie with in car cams I'm good with it.
 
Team Penske said:
Golf has it's own woman series.
Tennis has it's own woman series.
Women compete against other women in track and field.
There is nothing wrong with having a woman racing series. It does mean
that all the little boys who feel their manhood threatened will have to pout
together as they guzzle the beer and make jokes about them.

Danica Patrick races against the boys and got wrecked "Just because she is woman."
It is the battle of Testosterone vs Estrogen.:D
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So let me get this straight. Every time Danica wrecked it was because of a "little boy ego"? Hmmmm..... interesting point. So, when Richard Petty and Bobby Allison had some of their classic duels, and wrecked each other, was that just their "little boy ego" coming out? When male competitors get rough with each other in contact sports. and it continues after the whistle blows, what do you call that? More "little boy egos"? If Hamlin has a rub with Keslowski, and they bump and bang, and one of them finds the wall, did the other one turn him because he thought he might be a female? If Danica got wrecked "just because she is a woman" as you posted, then why do men wreck other men? just because they are men? When a "driver" hangs around in the mid twenties, they're subject to find trouble. If some one wants to start an all female series, I say have at it. The market will speak the loudest. And why hasn't NASCAR already started and funded a series for women? Ala the WNBA? I guess all the "little boy egos" down at Daytona are afraid it would over shadow the mens series. Who knows?
 
We already have a thread for that up there, in which you already said the same things.

Get hold of yourself.
 
I have a pretty fair "hold" on myself. I simply pointed out the silliness of assuming that men can't stand for a woman to compete with or succeed against them. And to blame a "little boy" ego for that is silly also. If that were the case Johanna Long would have never won the Snowball Derby. Because some childish male simply would not have allowed it. Competitors usually have egos, especially in the professional ranks, and they will do all they can to the competition to gain any advantage they can. Sadly there are people who always feel the need to blame others when things don't work out for them. That's a trait that's not pleasant in males or females, in sports or life in general.
 
This is blatant misogyny. Basically they're saying women aren't good enough to race in F1 so they need to run in their own series.

StandOnIt said:
When in the history of motor racing has their been a dominant women racer. I'm not talking about stab it and steer drag racing, I'm talking dirt, pavement, oval or road racing?
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Brittany Force just won an NHRA championship like two weeks ago.

Edit -- I guess that's why you disqualified drag racing from the conversation. Didn't fit a narrative.

Team Penske said:
Golf has it's own woman series.
Tennis has it's own woman series.
Women compete against other women in track and field.
There is nothing wrong with having a woman racing series. It does mean
that all the little boys who feel their manhood threatened will have to pout
together as they guzzle the beer and make jokes about them.

Danica Patrick races against the boys and got wrecked "Just because she is woman."
It is the battle of Testosterone vs Estrogen.:D
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These other sports don't let men and women compete against each other as equals. Racing does. This women only thing basically says they're not good enough so they need their own league.
 
Indeed it has been more than 40 years since a woman driver entered a Formula One race when Italian Lella Lombardi took to the starting grid at the 1976 Austrian Grand Prix.:idunno:
 
Carmen Jorda, the Spaniard who was also an F1 development driver — first for Lotus and then Renault but never tested the car — is still a familiar face within the F1 paddock.
'I believe a women's F1 championship would give us the chance to achieve our dreams and compete on an equal footing — as in other sports,' Jorda, 29, said. 'One day it will happen and it is the right thing to do.

'They think because we are driving a car we are on the same level as men which is completely not true because we will never be the same as them.

'I have had to fight through many things to get to the top of this sport, just because I am a women, and that is not fair.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-motor-racing-championship.html#ixzz4zk2lBDpl
 
2 Sweet said:
Then I think this helps justify why a women's racing league would be a slap in the face to the women competing in motorsports. In racing, women are on an equal playing field as the men. In stick & ball sports, that isn't usually the case. A women's racing league might help more women get exposure in motorsports, but is it necessary? I think it's kind of insulting to the women who have got where they are in racing without it. The optics aren't good.
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What do you mean they got where they are without it. Where are all these women in racing your talking about. None in Trucks, none in Xfinity and now none in Cup. None in IRL and none in F1. So now you say it is demeaning to give them a place to race and only compete with other women??

That is one hell of a prejudice comment.
 
StandOnIt said:
Carmen Jorda, the Spaniard who was also an F1 development driver — first for Lotus and then Renault but never tested the car — is still a familiar face within the F1 paddock.
'I believe a women's F1 championship would give us the chance to achieve our dreams and compete on an equal footing — as in other sports,' Jorda, 29, said. 'One day it will happen and it is the right thing to do.

'They think because we are driving a car we are on the same level as men which is completely not true because we will never be the same as them.

'I have had to fight through many things to get to the top of this sport, just because I am a women, and that is not fair.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-motor-racing-championship.html#ixzz4zk2lBDpl
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Carmen Jorda was a marketing gimmick. She says "we" will never be the same as men, but really only she sucks. She's been dusted in every series she's run in and her getting an F1 reserve role was a PR stunt. She'd likewise get dusted by most, if not all, notable racing women around today.
 
Team Penske said:
What do you mean they got where they are without it. Where are all these women in racing your talking about. None in Trucks, none in Xfinity and now none in Cup. None in IRL and none in F1. So now you say it is demeaning to give them a place to race and only compete with other women??

That is one hell of a prejudice comment.
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Pretty close. Jennifer Jo Cobb has raced for years in the trucks and Derrick Cope's daughter raced a bit in Xfinity. honestly and not being snarky, Cobb didn't finish most of the races and Cope was all over the track.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Carmen Jorda was a marketing gimmick. She says "we" will never be the same as men, but really only she sucks. She's been dusted in every series she's run in and her getting an F1 reserve role was a PR stunt. She'd likewise get dusted by most, if not all, notable racing women around today.
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Indeed it has been more than 40 years since a woman driver entered a Formula One race when Italian Lella Lombardi took to the starting grid at the 1976 Austrian Grand Prix.:idunno:
 
StandOnIt said:
Pretty close. Jennifer Jo Cobb has raced for years in the trucks and Derrick Cope's daughter raced a bit in Xfinity. honestly and not being snarky, Cobb didn't finish most of the races and Cope was all over the track.
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Another truthful statement that makes my point. None of those women were given a real chance at success regardless of their ability. Another good reason for them to have a series where they can race each other. Hopefully they can get sponsors to cover the cost of the cars. I doubt Nascar would support the idea.
 
There in lies the rub..the ability word. Not judging every women, but the crappy equipment excuse doesn't apply to Danica who just left because of non performance or am I counting out every women racer who comes along. But she had every opportunity to excel. Lets see what Almirola does next year in the same equipment in comparison.
 
mack said:
I have a pretty fair "hold" on myself. I simply pointed out the silliness of assuming that men can't stand for a woman to compete with or succeed against them. And to blame a "little boy" ego for that is silly also. If that were the case Johanna Long would have never won the Snowball Derby. Because some childish male simply would not have allowed it. Competitors usually have egos, especially in the professional ranks, and they will do all they can to the competition to gain any advantage they can. Sadly there are people who always feel the need to blame others when things don't work out for them. That's a trait that's not pleasant in males or females, in sports or life in general.
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Case in point was ...... I think 1995....... a Busch race when Shawna Robinson qualified on the pole...... or..... outside..... Mike Wallace started next to her..... he bragged before the race that she would never make the first lap..... he was right...... he put her into the wall immediately..... after that.... I have never had any use for his sorry a@@...... and years later his daughter tried to drive..... no luck.... Karma is a bitch..... He never could drive.... then both of them got the hell beat out of them leaving a concert..... Not saying that was right..... I hate seeing anything like that happen to anyone..... but..... I will never forget his braggart remarks before that race and seeing him take her out.......
 
I always liked Shawna Robinson. She always conducted herself well, and ran pretty good in so-so equipment. I thought her pole win was a little earlier that that, maybe around 1992. Doesn't matter. Mike Wallace made a fool of himself for saying a thing like that. And he proved what he was by doing what he did. That was wrong, no ifs, ands or buts. And Team Penske and Kymartin6 are both correct in my view, karma, well sometimes can be a little tough. And, because Mike Wallace chose his path of stupidity, that doesn't mean all men would choose that same path.
 
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